Genius
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Location: CsL, Mtl, Qc, Ca, NA, Er, SS,MW, Un
Location: CsL, Mtl, Qc, Ca, NA, Er, SS,MW, Un
May 25th, 2006, 10:47 PM
FiveParadox
bus driver had to make sure that the bus was unmovable. I don't have any idea about braking system of school buses. I do know that all the cars, manual transmision and automatic, beside brakes there is a bos of tranmission which also is used to parking. If car with automatic transmission is not running, one cannot shift the gear. In a car with manual trasnmission gear can be shifted easily only if car is unmovable. If it's on the hill, the only way to change the gear is through pushing the pedal of cluch.
There are many way to park a car, bus, truck in secure. It's the driver's fault if transport mechanism is not parked properly.
FiveParadox
bus driver had to make sure that the bus was unmovable. I don't have any idea about braking system of school buses. I do know that all the cars, manual transmision and automatic, beside brakes there is a bos of tranmission which also is used to parking. If car with automatic transmission is not running, one cannot shift the gear. In a car with manual trasnmission gear can be shifted easily only if car is unmovable. If it's on the hill, the only way to change the gear is through pushing the pedal of cluch.
There are many way to park a car, bus, truck in secure. It's the driver's fault if transport mechanism is not parked properly.
No sparks please
Posts: 379
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
May 27th, 2006, 12:26 AM
How many precautions must a person take to prevent this from happening before you deem them as reasonable?
Would that bus have moved if the boys had not released the brake? We have become too accepting of wrong doing and turn the blame on victims. This sad and un-necessary death did not occur because of the way the bus was parked, it happenend because these boys broke in and released the brake.
How many precautions must a person take to prevent this from happening before you deem them as reasonable?
Would that bus have moved if the boys had not released the brake? We have become too accepting of wrong doing and turn the blame on victims. This sad and un-necessary death did not occur because of the way the bus was parked, it happenend because these boys broke in and released the brake.
Council Member
Posts: 1,646
Location: Orleans, ON
Location: Orleans, ON
May 27th, 2006, 03:29 AM
Hard to pass on the blame here.
On the one hand, if the bus driver did indeed secure the bus taking reasonable precautions (I'l give the benefit of the doubt on this one based on the information presented, of course), then I don't think he's at fault.
As for the kid, he did commit the act, but how responsible can he be at the age of eight. Parents? Well, they might be partially responsible, but again, there are limits to just how much parents can control a child. But since he is under their responsibility until the age of maturity, I suppose the parents could be held responsible. It's clearly not a case of intentional murder, however, and so I suppose financial compensation might be an approapriate charge against the parents (civil case?).
Looking at it that way, I'd conclude that financial compensation on the part of the boy's parents to the girl's parents would be the most approapriate charge.
Hard to pass on the blame here.
On the one hand, if the bus driver did indeed secure the bus taking reasonable precautions (I'l give the benefit of the doubt on this one based on the information presented, of course), then I don't think he's at fault.
As for the kid, he did commit the act, but how responsible can he be at the age of eight. Parents? Well, they might be partially responsible, but again, there are limits to just how much parents can control a child. But since he is under their responsibility until the age of maturity, I suppose the parents could be held responsible. It's clearly not a case of intentional murder, however, and so I suppose financial compensation might be an approapriate charge against the parents (civil case?).
Looking at it that way, I'd conclude that financial compensation on the part of the boy's parents to the girl's parents would be the most approapriate charge.
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Posts: 115
Location: Nanaimo
Location: Nanaimo
May 27th, 2006, 04:22 AM
Who is to blame is not the question. As an eight year old child I would have never have thought to sneak on a bus for any reason, let alone playing with the mechanics of a bus. Why is it we are trying to find blame? It is a much larger picture. Go ahead and do anything you want and we will find someone else to blame for your actions, please under no circumstance take any responsilbity for your actions because we can blame the bus driver, your parents, oh what the heck, the crazy person you encountered last week. Oh and by the way if you happen to maim, injure or kill anyone don't be concerned because we are sure we will be able to make someone else take the blame. We as a society (and more importantly as families) are failing to teach one of life's more important lessons "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF".
I had a much longer rant and decided to delete (oh one day o'forum friends I will let loose). And by the way if any one wants to experience total disrespect for another person go to your local elementary (or high school) during a class change and stand in the hall as the throngs go throught you with no regard and respect.(Sorry this more ranting, I do tend to go off). And by the way as the bus driver I would never have thought that I would have to guard my school bus against eight year old children.
Who is to blame is not the question. As an eight year old child I would have never have thought to sneak on a bus for any reason, let alone playing with the mechanics of a bus. Why is it we are trying to find blame? It is a much larger picture. Go ahead and do anything you want and we will find someone else to blame for your actions, please under no circumstance take any responsilbity for your actions because we can blame the bus driver, your parents, oh what the heck, the crazy person you encountered last week. Oh and by the way if you happen to maim, injure or kill anyone don't be concerned because we are sure we will be able to make someone else take the blame. We as a society (and more importantly as families) are failing to teach one of life's more important lessons "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF".
I had a much longer rant and decided to delete (oh one day o'forum friends I will let loose). And by the way if any one wants to experience total disrespect for another person go to your local elementary (or high school) during a class change and stand in the hall as the throngs go throught you with no regard and respect.(Sorry this more ranting, I do tend to go off). And by the way as the bus driver I would never have thought that I would have to guard my school bus against eight year old children.
Genius
Posts: 985
Location: CsL, Mtl, Qc, Ca, NA, Er, SS,MW, Un
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May 27th, 2006, 08:45 PM
Lineman
all the machinery must be in secure position, whether they are running or not.
"Unloaded gun shoots once in a life." This said because no one has to point unloaded gun to someone to play.
With the brake the same thing. Your car's brake doesn't work once in a life time. That's what I was told, when I was studing in driving school. One has to make sure car is in secure position in any case.
If everything is normal no one to blame because nothing wrong happens. If someone makes a sh*t out of something, someone is (else) blamed.
Lineman
all the machinery must be in secure position, whether they are running or not.
"Unloaded gun shoots once in a life." This said because no one has to point unloaded gun to someone to play.
With the brake the same thing. Your car's brake doesn't work once in a life time. That's what I was told, when I was studing in driving school. One has to make sure car is in secure position in any case.
If everything is normal no one to blame because nothing wrong happens. If someone makes a sh*t out of something, someone is (else) blamed.
No sparks please
Posts: 379
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
May 28th, 2006, 01:33 AM
Quoting
Agreed and well said!
Who is to blame is not the question. As an eight year old child I would have never have thought to sneak on a bus for any reason, let alone playing with the mechanics of a bus. Why is it we are trying to find blame? It is a much larger picture. Go ahead and do anything you want and we will find someone else to blame for your actions, please under no circumstance take any responsilbity for your actions because we can blame the bus driver, your parents, oh what the heck, the crazy person you encountered last week. Oh and by the way if you happen to maim, injure or kill anyone don't be concerned because we are sure we will be able to make someone else take the blame. We as a society (and more importantly as families) are failing to teach one of life's more important lessons "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF".
I had a much longer rant and decided to delete (oh one day o'forum friends I will let loose). And by the way if any one wants to experience total disrespect for another person go to your local elementary (or high school) during a class change and stand in the hall as the throngs go throught you with no regard and respect.(Sorry this more ranting, I do tend to go off). And by the way as the bus driver I would never have thought that I would have to guard my school bus against eight year old children.
I had a much longer rant and decided to delete (oh one day o'forum friends I will let loose). And by the way if any one wants to experience total disrespect for another person go to your local elementary (or high school) during a class change and stand in the hall as the throngs go throught you with no regard and respect.(Sorry this more ranting, I do tend to go off). And by the way as the bus driver I would never have thought that I would have to guard my school bus against eight year old children.
Electoral Member
Posts: 843
Location: Lala Land
Location: Lala Land
May 28th, 2006, 05:02 PM
This is a horrid story, but here's my take if you're interested.
This is why they are called children and not adults. It is our job to protect them from harm. Yes, that means if someone else's child is here, my knives are out of his reach. That means I lock my car doors so that no one can get in. Remember the saying "It takes a village to raise a child?" The 8 year old should have been supervised as proper for a child his age. Him and one buddy should not have been alone in Brooklyn, an adult, a teen, someone should have been with them. I certainly believe that without supervision an eight year old could burn down a 20 story building, but an adult would have to leave a lighter around. That's one of the reasons I keep an eye on my kids, cause YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM. Kids are blank slates, they don't know anything until you teach them.
I blame the boys' parents, because they should have been watching them.
This is a horrid story, but here's my take if you're interested.
This is why they are called children and not adults. It is our job to protect them from harm. Yes, that means if someone else's child is here, my knives are out of his reach. That means I lock my car doors so that no one can get in. Remember the saying "It takes a village to raise a child?" The 8 year old should have been supervised as proper for a child his age. Him and one buddy should not have been alone in Brooklyn, an adult, a teen, someone should have been with them. I certainly believe that without supervision an eight year old could burn down a 20 story building, but an adult would have to leave a lighter around. That's one of the reasons I keep an eye on my kids, cause YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM. Kids are blank slates, they don't know anything until you teach them.
I blame the boys' parents, because they should have been watching them.
