Stem Cells with ethics.

Reverend Blair
Because the Christians immediately jumped on this as an anti-abortion issue. Never mind that the eight cells being discussed came from a test tube and the seven cells left after the experiment keep on living, the every sperm is sacred types won't accept it.
Fair enough. But this particular article was about the new methods to grow stem cells which have recently been discovered, not abortion, not the church.
Mad hatter perhaps you should read up on lil chimps ( I mean dubya) views on science. For petes sakes this is suppose to be a sitting president, one would think he would understand basic science. Course lil chimp is not religious, nor a christian, nope! just a tool to get himself elected, he understands ingnorance and fear and uses it to his advantage. Yup, only george bush would give Jerry fawell and pat robertson a door to the white house. Course lil chimp, he believes in the science of bomb making and weapons...again a neat tool to bully the world and stuff your pockets with greenbacks. Defend religion all you want, and we will continue to expose it for the farce it is.
Reverend Blair

Fair enough. But this particular article was about the new methods to grow stem cells which have recently been discovered, not abortion, not the church.

The Christian right was already attaking the new technology on the news though. Even within this article, there are references to it.


"This gets around all of the ethical arguments except for that small minority of the pro-life community that doesn't even support in vitro fertilization," said Representative Roscoe Bartlett, Republican of Maryland, an abortion opponent, referring to the first technique.

Until now the only way of deriving human embryonic stem cells has been to break open the embryo before it implants in the uterus, a stage at which it is called a blastocyst, and take out the inner cell mass, whose cells will form all the tissues of the future infant.

Although the blastocysts used in the procedure are ones that fertility clinics have rejected for implantation, anti-abortion advocates say destruction of any embryo is wrong.

Congress has forbidden the use of


Although the blastocysts used in the procedure are ones that fertility clinics have rejected for implantation, anti-abortion advocates say destruction of any embryo is wrong.

Congress has forbidden the use of federal funds for any such research, and federally supported scientists can work with only a small number of existing lines of embryonic stem cells that have been exempted by President George W. Bush.


Lanza's technique is likely to be welcomed by many in the middle of the debate, although it has not won over the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Richard Doerflinger, its deputy director for pro-life activities, dismissed the technique, saying that preimplantation genetic diagnosis itself was unethical. The technique "is done chiefly to select out genetically imperfect embryos for discarding, and poses unknown risks of future harm even to the child allowed to be born," he said in an e-mail message.

Only a procedure that generated embryonic stem cells without creating or destroying embryos "would address the Roman Catholic Church's most fundamental moral objection to embryonic stem cell research as now pursued," Doerflinger told the President's Council on Bioethics last December.

Clearly the religion-based debate on this is part of the story.
Ocean Breeze
Quote: Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter

I don't quite understand why certain of you have issues with this. Did anyone even read the article? Scientists, it seems, have found a way to obtain the exact same benefits that embryonic stem cells yield while at the same time appeasing individuals who have moral, ethical or religious objections to it.

To me it seems like progress in science. Why is this discussion degenerating into random attacks on Christianity and excuses for people to announce their dislike of Bush?

bravo Hatter. and thanks.
Yes, it appears mad hatter is a thinking christian, a pleasant surprise really.
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Scandal Surrounding S. Korean Researcher Deepens
New Allegations Include Government Officials in Coverup

By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 29, 2005; 2:42 PM

The scandal surrounding disgraced South Korean stem cell researcher Hwang Woo Suk deepened today as an investigator told reporters in Seoul that none of the 11 tailor-made cell colonies Hwang claimed to have created earlier this year actually exist.


Korean news outlets also reported that the ongoing probe into one of the biggest scientific frauds in memory had broadened to embrace allegations that government officials -- concerned about the shame such revelations could bring upon their country -- may have attempted to bribe scientists who were considered potential whistleblowers.


"Unfortunately, the damage Hwang did can't be undone," said Robert Lanza of Advanced Cell Technology in Worcester, Mass., a company that had been racing to make the first customized stem cells but found its venture capital cut off when the Korean team announced its success.

"It can't be undone for us, and it can't be undone for the thousands of people who may die in the future because this research has been unnecessarily held up while [Hwang] played his games and traveled around the world like a rock star."


That panel determined last week that at least nine of the 11 customized stem cell colonies that Hwang had claimed to have made earlier this year were fakes. Much of the evidence for those nine colonies, the panel had said, involved doctored photographs of two other colonies.

In a conversation with reporters today, panel spokeswoman Roe Jung Hye said the two colonies are real. But rather than being genetically matched to patients, as had been claimed, Roe said, they are ordinary stem cells, apparently derived from embryos at a Seoul fertility clinic.

That finding demolishes the last shred of credibility of what had been hailed as a seminal contribution to biomedical science: the alleged first creation of human embryonic stem cells matched to patients who might benefit from them.


The panel is still looking into Hwang's August claim to have produced the world's first cloned dog -- an Afghan named Snuppy. Although preliminary results from a human DNA testing firm were reported yesterday to confirm Snuppy's status as a clone, the panel has called for additional tests by animal DNA specialists.

Also still under a cloud is Hwang's 2004 publication in Science claiming the first creation of stem cells from any cloned human embryo.


A Korean news outlet also reported today that two members of Hwang's team now working at the University of Pittsburgh -- Kim Seon Jong and Park Jong Hyuk -- received payments amounting to as much as $50,000 around the time the scandal started to emerge.


Chosun Ilbo reported that at least $20,000 was passed to Kim by another Korean scientist visiting Kim in Pittsburgh. That scientist, identified as Yoon Hyun Soo of Hanyang University, has acknowledged the money transfer, the news agency said, but claimed it was meant not as hush money but to help Kim with medical expenses.

Other news sources in Korea have reported that the Korean spy agency, known as the National Intelligence Service, has also acknowledged delivering funds to Korean researchers at Pitt, but those reports could not be confirmed.

The sole American co-author on the now discredited 2005 Science paper is University of Pittsburgh researcher Gerald P. Schatten. Schatten was the first to draw attention to the problem in November when he abruptly broke off his 20-month collaboration with Hwang, claiming he had come upon evidence that the team's results could not be trusted.

2005 The Washington Post Company

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