Canada's shame - The truth is coming out and what we did as a country is disgusting.


Goober
#1
Canada's shame - The truth is coming out and what we did as a country is disgusting.
This must have been known to Senior Govt officials and the Governments of the day.
Read it and weep.

At least 4,000 aboriginal children died in residential schools, commission finds | National Post
 
taxslave
+5
#2
We all know that many bad things happened in the residential schools. Actually it was a form of genocide. But all this happened before most of us were old enough to even know about it much less have any say in it. It is time to move on as this commission is becoming nothing more than a job creation project for a bunch of bureaucrats. The money could be better spent on education in remote villages.
 
MHz
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

It is time to move on as this

Lets give their relative a whopping big cheque and then put some politicians and clergy in general population in a prison for 10 years that holds mainly Indians, and then turn off the cameras at night.
 
Christianna
+1
#4
Because of the abuses in the residential schools the Native peoples are still suffering, including the younger ones who didn't go to the schools but have been raised by victims. No one seemed to care about those kids except their parents who also were abused before them.
 
taxslave
+3
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Lets give their relative a whopping big cheque and then put some politicians and clergy in general population in a prison for 10 years that holds mainly Indians, and then turn off the cameras at night.

Leave the cameras running and video link to the rez.
Unfortunately there are very few of the people responsible left alive to punish for their crimes and paying off the relatives does little in the long run. Far better to use the money to improve conditions on remote reserves.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+6
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

We all know that many bad things happened in the residential schools. Actually it was a form of genocide. But all this happened before most of us were old enough to even know about it much less have any say in it. It is time to move on as this commission is becoming nothing more than a job creation project for a bunch of bureaucrats. The money could be better spent on education in remote villages.

Yep.

I was in a (U.S.) residential school myself, and I ain't real comforted or convinced by folks beating their breasts decades later. Sounds an awful lot like the folk who "deeply regret" the Trail of Tears.

Not like any of 'em are offering to give the land back, mind.

Like it or not, this stuff happened. No changing that. Time to shift the debate to the future.
 
Cannuck
#7
I got a kick out of the part of the article where it said (and I'm paraphrasing), "kids still died in fires even though audits said there should be more sprinklers and fire escapes". Obviously, these people have nothing better to do.
Last edited by Cannuck; Jan 4th, 2014 at 09:28 AM..
 
Walter
+1 / -2
#8
Would these children have lived had they stayed on the rez? How many Indian kids died on the reservations during this time? How many are dying now? Lots of children died from disease back in the day.
 
Christianna
#9
Oh Walter [sigh], those children were beaten for the smallest infractions (some were beaten to death), sexually abused , fed crap that the priests and nuns wouldn't have touched, and worst of all kept from the families who loved them. The schools had total control of those children except for 2 months in summer and a couple of weeks at Christmas. They were traumatized and the children of those children, the grand children of those children are still suffering today because of the treatment their parents and grandparents had to endure.
 
pgs
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by ChristiannaView Post

Oh Walter [sigh], those children were beaten for the smallest infractions (some were beaten to death), sexually abused , fed crap that the priests and nuns wouldn't have touched, and worst of all kept from the families who loved them. The schools had total control of those children except for 2 months in summer and a couple of weeks at Christmas. They were traumatized and the children of those children, the grand children of those children are still suffering today because of the treatment their parents and grandparents had to endure.

So lets sell the farm and give it to them .That should make everything right . Right ?
 
Cannuck
+1
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by ChristiannaView Post

Oh Walter [sigh], those children were beaten for the smallest infractions (some were beaten to death), sexually abused , fed crap that the priests and nuns wouldn't have touched, and worst of all kept from the families who loved them. The schools had total control of those children except for 2 months in summer and a couple of weeks at Christmas. They were traumatized and the children of those children, the grand children of those children are still suffering today because of the treatment their parents and grandparents had to endure.

I don't disagree but where does it end. My great uncle was brutalized by the Japanese in WWII. How many generations of his ancestors get to blame their problems on Japan. That's not a hypothetical question. I would like somebody to give me an answer.
 
#juan
+1
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Yep.

I was in a (U.S.) residential school myself, and I ain't real comforted or convinced by folks beating their breasts decades later. Sounds an awful lot like the folk who "deeply regret" the Trail of Tears.

Not like any of 'em are offering to give the land back, mind.

Like it or not, this stuff happened. No changing that. Time to shift the debate to the future.

Every few years someone brings up the residential schools like it was a new topic. As Tecumsehsbones said, "It's time to move on.
 
Christianna
+4 / -1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by pgsView Post

So lets sell the farm and give it to them .That should make everything right . Right ?

Did I say anything resembling that? However a little empathy and understanding would go a long way. I realize that Walter and a very few others have no empathy at all. Neither do sociopaths.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I don't disagree but where does it end. My great uncle was brutalized by the Japanese in WWII. How many generations of his ancestors get to blame their problems on Japan. That's not a hypothetical question. I would like somebody to give me an answer.

How many generations were brutalized by the Japanese?
 
Walter
+2 / -3
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by ChristiannaView Post

Did I say anything resembling that? However a little empathy and understanding would go a long way. I realize that Walter and a very few others have no empathy at all. Neither do sociopaths.


How many generations were brutalized by the Japanese?

It's feel gooders like you who got us into these messes in the first place. Let the gubmint sponsor the schools so the poor native kids can get a good edumikation. Give yer head a shake lady.


The Nippon nation has been doing this for millennia as have all countries. Read yer histry.
Last edited by Walter; Jan 4th, 2014 at 12:21 PM..
 
Christianna
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Every few years someone brings up the residential schools like it was a new topic. As Tecumsehsbones said, "It's time to move on.

How do they move on? You realize that the residential school system didn't end until 1967? Maybe you weren't born then but I was 27 years old in 1967. I see the affects on people who were raised by those so traumatized by the residential schools. How long do you suppose that will go on? It may well go on for generation after generation.
 
MHz
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Time to shift the debate to the future.

When you bury the past nothing changes except the identity of the victims in the future. You might as well be saying the Gaza and the West Bank are the same thing and nothing should be done about that either.
 
#juan
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by ChristiannaView Post

How do they move on? You realize that the residential school system didn't end until 1967? Maybe you weren't born then but I was 27 years old in 1967. I see the affects on people who were raised by those so traumatized by the residential schools. How long do you suppose that will go on? It may well go on for generation after generation.

I was born in 1939. It is well past the time we should be still moaning about this disgraceful happening. The residential schools ended in 1967.....getting close to fifty years ago. We can't change the past.....Let it go.
 
MHz
+1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Would these children have lived had they stayed on the rez? How many Indian kids died on the reservations during this time? How many are dying now? Lots of children died from disease back in the day.

The smallpox laced blankets were a 'gift' from the 'Royals of Europe' who were only interested in killing off as many as possible. Thanks for mentioning that part Walter.

Quote: Originally Posted by pgsView Post

So lets sell the farm and give it to them .That should make everything right . Right ?

Nothing will ever make it right, if a woman can get millions for spilling coffee that is too hot on her lap then each and every member of any First Nations Tribe should have at least $1M in their bank account and be free to travel the world with almost diplomatic immunity, after all that is what their abusers have (Priests and Politicians).
 
Christianna
#19
We know now that babies in orphanages often died due to a lack of love, so now when babies are in the system they are cuddled and given as much of what passes for love. Abused children wither, and their spirits are killed when they are given a number rather than a name and never feel any kindness and feel nothing but fear for those in charge of their lives. How do they then raise their own children?
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

When you bury the past nothing changes except the identity of the victims in the future. You might as well be saying the Gaza and the West Bank are the same thing and nothing should be done about that either.

Well, then, it's a good thing I didn't say nothing about burying the past, enit?

Funny how you read my posts and the only thing you get out of 'em is what's rattling around in your head to begin with.

Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Would these children have lived had they stayed on the rez? How many Indian kids died on the reservations during this time? How many are dying now? Lots of children died from disease back in the day.

OK, so, if anybody is "going to die anyway," it's OK to kill them?

Nice logic.
 
captain morgan
+2
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by ChristiannaView Post

How do they move on? You realize that the residential school system didn't end until 1967? Maybe you weren't born then but I was 27 years old in 1967. I see the affects on people who were raised by those so traumatized by the residential schools. How long do you suppose that will go on? It may well go on for generation after generation.


You are assuming that each and every individual in the res school system were brutalized in the worst possible manner... There have been reports by students that they were not treated in this manner, in fact, some have come forward to defend the educators against what they perceive as unfounded allegations.

Further, there are a large number of children (and grand children and great grand children) that are claiming damages.

That just doesn't make sense anymore
 
Walter
+2 / -2
#22
The Romans stole my ancestors' property around 45BC. Bloody Italians, they owe me.
 
taxslave
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Yep.

I was in a (U.S.) residential school myself, and I ain't real comforted or convinced by folks beating their breasts decades later. Sounds an awful lot like the folk who "deeply regret" the Trail of Tears.

Not like any of 'em are offering to give the land back, mind.

Like it or not, this stuff happened. No changing that. Time to shift the debate to the future.

IF they are going to give some of the land back from the Trail of Tears I got some coming. Not holding my breath though.
Where I grew up the natives went to the same schools as the rest of us and it is kind of an isolated area so we never even knew about these schools. My sister went to a girls school in Victoria to finish high school and we sort of thought all residential schools were like this.
 
gerryh
#24
The last Residential school was closed in 1996, not 1967. It wasn't 50 years ago it was less than 20 years ago.

As for the asinine comments like walters, First Nations land in Canada has been stolen and treaties broken.You can't compare land taken by a conquering peoples. The Brits "bought" the land from the First Nations people through treaties or promises of treaties. Treaties and promises that have been broken over and over again.

The commission is doing what they were mandated to do. Bring to light everything about what the government did and didn't do when it comes to the Residential school system. It was known it would be ugly. It is part of the agreement made along with restitution. Suck it up buttercup. If you don't like hearing what YOUR government was responsible for then don't listen.
 
taxslave
+1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by ChristiannaView Post

How do they move on? You realize that the residential school system didn't end until 1967? Maybe you weren't born then but I was 27 years old in 1967. I see the affects on people who were raised by those so traumatized by the residential schools. How long do you suppose that will go on? It may well go on for generation after generation.

Especially when they can get free money by dwelling on it.
 
relic
#26
So the jews should move on too then.
 
Spade
-1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post



OK, so, if anybody is "going to die anyway," it's OK to kill them?

Nice logic.

And, if as "heathens" they were hell bound, you were simply doing Gawd's work.
 
captain morgan
+2
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

The Romans stole my ancestors' property around 45BC. Bloody Italians, they owe me.


NEP directly affected my parents and grandparents... They suffered terribly.

Who do I contact about getting my cheque?
 
taxslave
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

The last Residential school was closed in 1996, not 1967. It wasn't 50 years ago it was less than 20 years ago.

As for the asinine comments like walters, First Nations land in Canada has been stolen and treaties broken.You can't compare land taken by a conquering peoples. The Brits "bought" the land from the First Nations people through treaties or promises of treaties. Treaties and promises that have been broken over and over again.

The commission is doing what they were mandated to do. Bring to light everything about what the government did and didn't do when it comes to the Residential school system. It was known it would be ugly. It is part of the agreement made along with restitution. Suck it up buttercup. If you don't like hearing what YOUR government was responsible for then don't listen.

We already know what the government and the churches did. It is time to move on and quit spending the money on bureaucracy. Put that money to where it will do the most good and that is on the ground on the rez.
 
Spade
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

NEP directly affected my parents and grandparents... They suffered terribly.

Who do I contact about getting my cheque?

The Lougheed estate.
 

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