Many believe aboriginal people don't pay enough taxes


petros
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A new poll suggests more than 60 per cent of Saskatchewan people believe aboriginal people don't pay enough taxes.

The University of Saskatchewan's Social Sciences Research Lab asked a question on that subject as part of a survey of 1,750 people March 5-19.

The Taking the Pulse survey found that 36.7 per cent of people strongly agree with the following statement: "Aboriginal people do not pay enough taxes in Saskatchewan."

Another 26.7 per cent somewhat agree with that statement.

A smaller portion either somewhat disagree (13.9 per cent) or strongly disagree (9.9 per cent) that aborginal people don't pay enough taxes.

The survey asked 60 questions, including several dealing with aboriginal issues.

More than any other question, the one on aboriginal taxation generated the most "Don't know" responses: 11.7 per cent. Another 1.1 per cent refused to answer the question.

The Taking the Pulse project is a collaboration of the U of S, CBC, the StarPhoenix and the Leader-Post. With a sample size of 1,750, the poll is considered accurate to within 2.34 per cent, 19 times out of 20.
 
Machjo
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Well, they always have the option of rescinding our Treaties and giving the land back, I suppose.
 
#juan
#3
Do they pay enough taxes? The Department of Indian and Northern Affairs annual budge is something
over 7 billion dollars. Do our aboriginals pay anywhere near that in taxes?
 
PoliticalNick
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#4
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Well, they always have the option of rescinding our Treaties and giving the land back, I suppose.

There is of course the other option of rescinding the treaties and telling the to go f*ck themselves. They could always try to have a war for the land but I don't like their chances.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

There is of course the other option of rescinding the treaties and telling the to go f*ck themselves. They could always try to have a war for the land but I don't like their chances.

I agree. We can always ignore agreements when we have the upper hand. Just don't count on anyone wanting to sign agreeemnts with us ever again.
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I agree. We can always ignore agreements when we have the upper hand. Just don't count on anyone wanting to sign agreeemnts with us ever again.

I didn't sign anything to begin with and really don't know why I should be on the hook for events that are centuries old.

It is high time we shut down the gravy train. What we have is the great-great grandchildren (or however many generations it is now) of those who came here and claimed the land paying the great great grandchildren of those who lost the land in a war. I don't get it. No other defeated nation has had a free ride for so long in fact most through history got sweet FA.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I didn't sign anything to begin with and really don't know why I should be on the hook for events that are centuries old.

It is high time we shut down the gravy train. What we have is the great-great grandchildren (or however many generations it is now) of those who came here and claimed the land paying the great great grandchildren of those who lost the land in a war. I don't get it. No other defeated nation has had a free ride for so long in fact most through history got sweet FA.

So if you sign a contract with the government, and the government decides to not fulfil its side of the contract, don't come crying to me because I didn't sign it. And besides, why should my taxes pay for a contract I didn't sign, right?

Also, they were not defeated. They signed treaties and we stabbed them in the back. That's not the same as being defeated.
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

So if you sign a contract with the government, and the government decides to not fulfil its side of the contract, don't come crying to me because I didn't sign it. And besides, why should my taxes pay for a contract I didn't sign, right?

Also, they were not defeated. They signed treaties and we stabbed them in the back. That's not the same as being defeated.

I would never sign a contract with a govt, any govt.

I agree, we shouldn't pay taxes for something we had no part of.

They signed treaties to avoid complete anihilation, the Europeans let them to avoid wiping them out completely.
 
darkbeaver
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Even if they don't and we make them pay up how in frack will that save or even benevolently impact our rigged eCONomy?
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I would never sign a contract with a govt, any govt.

I agree, we shouldn't pay taxes for something we had no part of.

They signed treaties to avoid complete anihilation, the Europeans let them to avoid wiping them out completely.

If no one ever signed contracts with the government, we'd have no government. We'd have anarchy.
 
damngrumpy
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The treaty system meant the didn't pay taxes in many situations sort of the cost
of stealing land and ethnic cleansing of sorts. The natives fared better than the
French in the Eastern Maritimes though the British Ethnically Cleansed them
outright and they were shipped off to the southern USA.
The price of keeping ones word is often higher the subscribing to honesty in the
beginning. We took the land and there was not Indian war in Canada therefore
it is part of the deal.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

There is of course the other option of rescinding the treaties and telling the to go f*ck themselves. They could always try to have a war for the land but I don't like their chances.

I think their chances are pretty good considering they can easily blend in with the rest of society.





Tough to tell a combatant from a civillian
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

If no one ever signed contracts with the government, we'd have no government. We'd have anarchy.

No we wouldn't. We can still have order and sign contracts among ourselves.

I do believe in a very limited govt both in scope of power and size but they need to be 100% accountable personally to the people they represent.
 
The Old Medic
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Sadly, Saskatchewan has the highest percentage of racists in all of Canada.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

No other defeated nation has had a free ride for so long in fact most through history got sweet FA.

That's a good reason to behave like a Neanderthal, lol.

Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I would never sign a contract with a govt, any govt.

Do you have a drivers license?
 
PoliticalNick
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#16
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Do you have a drivers license?

Even though it is not a business agreement I can see your point and will concede that one to you.
 
Machjo
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

No we wouldn't. We can still have order and sign contracts among ourselves.

I do believe in a very limited govt both in scope of power and size but they need to be 100% accountable personally to the people they represent.

How does the government hire anyone without signing a contract? Who would build the infrastructure? Just ourselves of our own free will? In other words, you're essentially defining anarchy.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

How does the government hire anyone without signing a contract? Who would build the infrastructure? Just ourselves of our own free will? In other words, you're essentially defining anarchy.

People break contracts with the gvt everyday, including infrastructure projects. Someone else comes into fill the void and the work gets completed.
 
Cannuck
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Contrary to some, contracts are not sacred.
 
JLM
+1 / -1
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

A new poll suggests more than 60 per cent of Saskatchewan people believe aboriginal people don't pay enough taxes.

The University of Saskatchewan's Social Sciences Research Lab asked a question on that subject as part of a survey of 1,750 people March 5-19.

The Taking the Pulse survey found that 36.7 per cent of people strongly agree with the following statement: "Aboriginal people do not pay enough taxes in Saskatchewan."

Another 26.7 per cent somewhat agree with that statement.

A smaller portion either somewhat disagree (13.9 per cent) or strongly disagree (9.9 per cent) that aborginal people don't pay enough taxes.

The survey asked 60 questions, including several dealing with aboriginal issues.

More than any other question, the one on aboriginal taxation generated the most "Don't know" responses: 11.7 per cent. Another 1.1 per cent refused to answer the question.

The Taking the Pulse project is a collaboration of the U of S, CBC, the StarPhoenix and the Leader-Post. With a sample size of 1,750, the poll is considered accurate to within 2.34 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

You must have been talking to Dumpy! Or most likely, Cannuck!
Last edited by JLM; Oct 30th, 2012 at 08:05 AM..
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Contrary to some, contracts are not sacred.

With any contract, the devil is in the details.
 
taxslave
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SOmewhat loaded question since most people have no clue at all how the tax system works even for non natives. Many natives, especially in remote areas don't earn enough to pay taxes to start with and we have contractual obligations that exempt many others. As far as I know every native that works off rez pays income tax and if they own property off rez they pay property taxes just like anyone else.
Senior citizens OTH get an age based cut rate on property taxes regardless of income.
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

How does the government hire anyone without signing a contract? Who would build the infrastructure? Just ourselves of our own free will? In other words, you're essentially defining anarchy.

Just because I don't support the oversize & overreaching centralized big-brother govt we have today does not me I am an anarchist. Most things could be accomplished within communities with more support at a better price if we were left to it.
 
petros
+3
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Quote: Originally Posted by The Old MedicView Post

Sadly, Saskatchewan has the highest percentage of racists in all of Canada.

Yeah you should come spend a night wandering around my neighbourhood white boy.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I would never sign a contract with a govt, any govt.

I expect that you've signed lots of them quite willingly.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Just because I don't support the oversize & overreaching centralized big-brother govt we have today does not me I am an anarchist. Most things could be accomplished within communities with more support at a better price if we were left to it.

The point was, you're proposing that it's absolutely fine for a government to sign a treaty with another government and then stab them in the back. That's like the Nazi-soviet peace treaty. The moement the last trade shipment crossed the border into Germany, Hitler pounced. It was no coincidence. Make sure you get your goods, play friendly, and then screw them over. As far as you're concerned, that's the kind of government we ought to have?
 
JLM
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#27
I didn't realize taxes were levied according to race! (But then again there is a mentality running rampant here that thinks taxes should be levied according to age...........increasing by 5% for each year over 60, after all they've been slack all their lives and never contributed ever)
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I didn't realize taxes were levied according to race! (But then again there is a mentality running rampant here that thinks taxes should be levied according to age...........increasing by 5% for each year over 60, after all they've been slack all their lives and never contributed ever)

Actually, they're not levied according to race. Owing to mixed marriages, some status Indians might be white, some might even look Chinese (owing to many Indian-Chinese marriages on the West-Coast, etc.). Also, not all Indians are status Indians owing to the Enfranchisement Act. This is based not on race, but nationality. Just as Canadian citizens don't pay US taxes so Indians don't pay Canadian taxes on-reserve since they are recognized as possessing their own nationality.

Now thanks to the Indian Act, indigenous Canadians are prohibited from welcoming new members; it's the Canadian government that controls indigenous citizenships to a significant degree. As a result, naturally immigrants from around the world integrate into Canadian as opposed to indigenous nations, thus giving a false impression that somehow we're universal and they're racial, when in reality, it's our laws that have usurped theirs.
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Actually, they're not levied according to race. Owing to mixed marriages, some status Indians might be white, some might even look Chinese (owing to many Indian-Chinese marriages on the West-Coast, etc.). Also, not all Indians are status Indians owing to the Enfranchisement Act. This is based not on race, but nationality. Just as Canadian citizens don't pay US taxes so Indians don't pay Canadian taxes on-reserve since they are recognized as possessing their own nationality.

If they are their own nation then they should have their own currency and tax system to pay for their own way. This idea of a separate nation that gets the entirety of funding for anything from Canada and its taxpayers is ludicrous. They want to be independent fine, let them be independent not leeches.

Quote:

Now thanks to the Indian Act, indigenous Canadians are prohibited from welcoming new members; it's the Canadian government that controls indigenous citizenships to a significant degree. As a result, naturally immigrants from around the world integrate into Canadian as opposed to indigenous nations, thus giving a false impression that somehow we're universal and they're racial, when in reality, it's our laws that have usurped theirs.

Why shouldn't we stop their citizenship from growing? Since we pay for every one of their citizens it is in our best interest to minimize the number of people we have to support.
Our laws should usurp theirs. This land was conquered and claimed a few hundred years ago. I never read anything in the history books about one native tribe conquering another and then supporting them in perpetuity. No, when one tribe defeated another they eradicated that tribe completely to ensure future generations would not try to take back the conquered lands. Survivors were assimilated or killed off.
 
darkbeaver
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

If they are their own nation then they should have their own currency and tax system to pay for their own way. This idea of a separate nation that gets the entirety of funding for anything from Canada and its taxpayers is ludicrous. They want to be independent fine, let them be independent not leeches.


Why shouldn't we stop their citizenship from growing? Since we pay for every one of their citizens it is in our best interest to minimize the number of people we have to support.
Our laws should usurp theirs. This land was conquered and claimed a few hundred years ago. I never read anything in the history books about one native tribe conquering another and then supporting them in perpetuity. No, when one tribe defeated another they eradicated that tribe completely to ensure future generations would not try to take back the conquered lands. Survivors were assimilated or killed off.

I hope your not advocating a segregating blockade or forced assimilation. We know these methods are tolerated in the west as the facts of Gaza demonstrate. Of course the same methods would apply to the other socioethnicpolithomelessunemployed you get the picture. So it's a damn bad idea. Just my opinion.
Last edited by darkbeaver; Oct 30th, 2012 at 12:48 PM..
 

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