Trayvon Martin: civil rights leaders call for Florida police chief to resign


View Poll Results: Should George Zimmerman be arrested???
No. He acted in self defense 4 12.50%
Yes. Then let the legal system play out 8 25.00%
Dunno. No enough facts in this case yet 9 28.13%
The USA is so Fukked up, where is the pop corn. 11 34.38%
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B00Mer
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Trayvon Martin: civil rights leaders call for Florida police chief to resign

Criticism of Sanford police department escalates as protesters continue call for killer's arrest amid mounting evidence


Residents protest against the Sanford police department's failure to arrest the man accused of killing 17 year-old Trayvon Martin. Police say Martin was unarmed when he was shot by George Zimmerman. Photograph: Brian Blanco/EPA

The Florida police chief investigating the death of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager fatally shot by a self-appointed neighbourhood watch volunteer, is facing calls by civil rights leaders for his resignation.

Police chief Bill Lee, of Sanford police, has insisted he carried out a "fair and thorough" investigation of the killing and that he cannot arrest George Zimmerman because he has told police he shot the teenager in self-defence and there was no evidence to contradict his account.

Criticism of the police investigation is focused on the failure to arrest Zimmerman, but also on the failure to test him for drugs or alcohol, a common practice in homicide investigations, in particular because they tested the teenager after his death.

Police are also facing questions over their failure to reach Martin's girlfriend in Miami, who was talking to him on his cellphone as he was being followed by Zimmerman in the minutes before his death. She said his last words were "What are you following me for?"
George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. Photograph: Orlando Sentinel

Martin's family say the girlfriend's testimony of the call undermines Zimmerman's self-defence claims. There have also been reports that police "corrected" witnesses who say they heard the boy screaming for help.

This week, police admitted to ABC News they may have missed a potential racial slur on the tape of Zimmerman's 911 call to report Martin's "suspicious behaviour".

Ben Jealous, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People told Miami television channel NBC6 that federal authorities should take over Lee's department because of a "pattern and practice of discrimination" which include cases that precede Martin.

At a highly-charged town hall meeting at Allen Chapel AME Church in Sanford on Tuesday night, Jealous told the 350-strong crowd: "Any chief who would so allow his officers to so mishandle a situation like this has to go. We will ensure that there is a new chief here in Sanford."

Hundreds more gathered outside, chanting "I am Trayvon Martin."

The calls for Lee's resignation came as Florida governor Rick Scott, who attended a meeting with black lawyers and civil rights activists on Tuesday night, said it was time to revisit the state's controversial "Stand Your Ground" law. This allows people to use deadly force if they feel endangered, without requiring them to retreat from the threat.

"If there's something wrong with the law that's in place, I think it's important we address it. I'm going to look at it. If what's happening is it's being abused, that's not right. We all want to live in a safe place," Scott told the Palm Beach Post News.

In New York, a "one million hoodie" march is planned for Wednesday evening, with Martin's parents Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin due to attend, according to NBC New York.

"A black person in a hoodie isn't automatically 'suspicious'," says the event's Facebook page, which calls on people to "show the world we are all Trayvon" by uploading a photograph of themselves on social media sites wearing hoodies with the hashtag #millionhoodies.

Almost 800,000 people have signed a petition on the Change.org website calling for Zimmerman to be prosecuted.

Set up by Martin's parents, it describes him as "our hero". They said: "At the age of nine, Trayvon pulled his father from a burning kitchen, saving his life. He loved sports and horseback riding. At only 17 he had a bright future ahead of him with dreams of attending college and becoming an aviation mechanic. Now that's all gone."

Local pastors and members of the Florida Civil Rights Association planned a rally outside the Florida Division of Licensing in Orlando to demand that Zimmerman's concealed weapons permit be revoked, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

The group leader J Willie David earlier claimed the 28-year-old man is a "clear threat to public safety".

The case is now the subject of three investigations, including the Sanford police department. The US justice department, along with the FBI, launched an inquiry this week, after the case garnered national attention. On Tuesday the Florida state attorney for Seminole and Brevard counties announced that a grand jury would hear evidence.


George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. Photograph: Orlando Sentinel

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It's Racism! It's Racism.. the sky is falling, the sky is falling.. getting tired of it yet?

In New York city the Blacks are going to march in protest of the shooting of Trayvon Martin saying it was racist.

Yet when 3 racist Blacks on Staten Island beats up a 51 year old Hispanic it's o.k. No protests there?

Blacks trying to play off the Race card every time one of theirs gets killed, shot, beaten or jailed, yet are just as responsible for the same hate and racism towards Hispanics, Asian and Whites.

Bill Cosby said it best, get an education, get a job (society and government owes you nothing), slavery ended more than 100 years
ago.

Getting tired of hearing about the "Black Experience" and their history of slavery. How many generations ago, was this? We don't owe you ****!!
 
Tonington
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#2
Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

Bill Cosby said it best, get an education, get a job (society and government owes you nothing), slavery ended more than 100 years
ago.

Then move to a gated community, a nice safe place to raise your family. Until some racist ******* who complains that "they're always getting away with it" chases down your son after the 911 dispatchers say not to follow, and shoots him dead. Then claims it's self-defense, and he was never even arrested.

I guess the one who lives gets to tell the cops what happened and that is that in Florida.

That's lunacy. Zimmerman should have been arrested at the scene.
 
Locutus
#3
The story doesn't have a problem 'identifying' the race of the victim.

Maybe they assume or wish he was white. Who knows with CNN at times.

...or Yahoo:

Zimmerman, a white Hispanic

news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...171734876.html (external - login to view)

...


They all together ignore that Zimmerman is Hispanic (with what I'll assume is a Jewish father for the time being, as he holds the same name as 'Bob Dylan' was born with), Spanish speaking as his father wrote in another article. Haven't read yet about his mom (alive, dead, divorced etc).

The guy said 'coon' on the 911 tape so sure, he some racism in him. He had been arrested before. Perhaps a wannabe buckaroo cop.

But unless there is any evidence this was a murder, best everyone calm down a tad. If there is good evidence, lock the bastard up. End of story.

As far as a wiki does go though:


George Zimmerman, a multiracial Hispanic (external - login to view) man adopted by Jewish parents



Also, interesting to do a google search of George Zimmermans' mugshot photo and see a real difference in the contrast settings of said photo from one site to another.


 
Bar Sinister
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#4
Ah yes. More evidence of how much safer the US is than Canada and the rest of the world thanks to almost unrestricted firearms ownership.
 
B00Mer
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

Ah yes. More evidence of how much safer the US is than Canada and the rest of the world thanks to almost unrestricted firearms ownership.

Well let's see.. the only people with guns are the criminals, at least south of the border you can own a gun too and defend yourself against criminals..

Sorry, I'm pro-gun.. Smith & Wesson .40 sitting on my desk next to me now..
 
Locutus
#6
1. When police officers arrived, George Zimmerman had a bloody nose and was bleeding from a wound on the back on his head.
2. The eyewitness who called 911 said Zimmerman who screamed for help.
3. The eyewitness also reports that Zimmerman was on the ground and Martin was on top of him beating on him.



Video from the day after and more...

Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him when he was shot. (external - login to view)


Even more...

Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Yahoo! News (external - login to view)
 
Bar Sinister
+1
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

Well let's see.. the only people with guns are the criminals, at least south of the border you can own a gun too and defend yourself against criminals..

Sorry, I'm pro-gun.. Smith & Wesson .40 sitting on my desk next to me now..

Tell you what. Why don't we had a little contest? You list the number of confirmed cases of gun ownership actually making the US safer and I will list incidents that show that it is not. Care to take me up on that?
 
Ocean Breeze
#8
This is no longer just another shooting in the US. Massive protests are happening in Florida now. Amazed that the anger has not erupted into something much worse. The anger is justified.

Maybe Zimmerman had a few injuries. The problem is that all we have now is his word. as to how he got them. But he is alive with what seems like minor scratches. Who knows, they might even be self inflicted.

Trigger happy bloke that took his self importance to a deadly level. IF he was nervous about dealing with this kid....then he should not be doing that kind of volunteer work. He is not equipped. Most of these neighborhood watch volunteers do NOT carry guns. (except of course in the US )

But with the unwritten rule of "shoot first , ask questions later" prevails.

This is a totally tragic death of another young person.

Just heard someone on the news say something along the lines of "hope america learns something from this". Sure. there are shooting incidents happening with monotonous regularity and yet , except for a blurb on the news.....not a dent is made on the collective consiousness of a population that feels so in fear for its life from imagined and sometimes real threats.

What kind of tragedy has to happen before the people wake up from their indifference ???

But this time the folks are royally dissed ......and rightly so.
 
eh1eh
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#9
You know, black people have been afraid of white people in hoods a lot longer than whites have been afraid of blacks in hoods.
 
Colpy
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I voted "don't know", but I wobbled towards "arrest the moron".

I just don't trust media accounts........

But I really can't see how you can chase an unarmed man half your size down, challenge him, and then claim self-defense after you shoot him dead.......

Something very very smelly about all this......
 
WindWalker
#11
He shot someone. He should be arrested. Go from there.
 
skookumchuck
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#12
Some other input into the incident.
Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com (external - login to view)
 
eh1eh
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by skookumchuckView Post

Some other input into the incident.
Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com (external - login to view)


Zimmerman was still the aggressor.

 
skookumchuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Zimmerman was still the aggressor.


You may note that i have taken neither one side nor the other, merely linked to another information source as a matter of interest. So is the pic you posted intended to assume my opinion or stance and thus negate it without proof?
 
CDNBear
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Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Yahoo! News (external - login to view)
 
eh1eh
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Quote: Originally Posted by skookumchuckView Post

You may note that i have taken neither one side nor the other, merely linked to another information source as a matter of interest. So is the pic you posted intended to assume my opinion or stance and thus negate it without proof?


No, I was commenting on the content of the article you linked. You expressed no opinion.
Plus that is a rad funny pic. lol.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Yahoo! News (external - login to view)


That seems to leave the question, was the boy acting in self defense? I didn't hear anything about witnesses seeing anything before 'Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman'.
Would be nice to get these witness accounts under oath. the lack of investigation seems to be the weak point here. Just what are the facts?
 
CDNBear
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

That seems to leave the question, was the boy acting in self defense? I didn't hear anything about witnesses seeing anything before 'Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman'.

Don't know. Which is why I'm following the case as best I can.

Sadly, this will likely come down to character.

Quote:

The lack of investigation seems to be the weak point here. Just what are the facts?

That seems to be the media's position.

It doesn't actually jive with reality though.
 
Gavin Morgan
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#18
It is to be feared that this incident will turn into a bloody conflagration, similar to what happened in Los Angeles after the acquittal of white police men who beat ( but NOT KILLED) black Rodney King.

Strangely, the white community did not react the same way, then and there when white truck driver was dragged out of his truck by blacks and was beaten to an inch of his life by bricks.
 
wulfie68
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

I voted "don't know", but I wobbled towards "arrest the moron".

I just don't trust media accounts........

But I really can't see how you can chase an unarmed man half your size down, challenge him, and then claim self-defense after you shoot him dead.......

Something very very smelly about all this......

I feel much the same and thats why I voted for " arrest the moron". I saw a Florida State Representative (R) actually stating that the "Stand Your Ground" law, which has been cited as the main reason charges weren't laid, shouldn't come into play in this case, as Zimmerman wasn't being accosted initially but put himself into a confrontation (if it actually occured, apart from him just shooting the kid). He was advised (but not ordered the police chief insisted) not to engage the "suspicious person" he "witnessed", when Zimmerman called 911. I don't understand Fla. law but I have a hard time seeing any justification for this...
 
coldstream
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I get a little worried when i see mobs take over the discourse of issues, as has happened here. A most telling piece of information has been submerged by the outrage. That is that the crime occurred near the car of Zimmerman. That indicates the most likely sequence of events is that he was retreating to his car after confronting.. and was being pursued by Trayton Martin. Those screams on the tape were those of Zimmerman.

There are issues here. As to whether quasi vigilante groups should be patrolling neighbourhoods without the police training to diffuse situations, to properly request information or to use commensurate force if necessary, short of using deadly force, if a confrontation does occur.

This type of sophistication is why sensible procedures leave these things to professional police offficers. And certainly it is questionable whether concealed weapons should be allowed in these circumstances. But its quite possible Zimmerman was acting within a very flawed legal framework. But the whole case has now been usurped by racial politics, and by the gun rights lobby.. and the legal rights and presumed innocence of the 'accused' here have been ignored
Last edited by coldstream; Mar 24th, 2012 at 02:04 PM..
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

Well let's see.. the only people with guns are the criminals, at least south of the border you can own a gun too and defend yourself against criminals..


You're calling Colpy a criminal?
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

You're calling Colpy a criminal?


Zimmerman's lawyer: 'Stand your ground' doesn't apply in Trayvon Martin case - CNN.com (external - login to view)
Sanford, Florida (CNN) -- A lawyer for the man at the center of the Trayvon Martin death investigation said Florida's "stand your ground" law doesn't apply to the shooting that killed the unarmed teen.

"In my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. The statute on 'stand your ground' is primarily when you're in your house," said Craig Sonner, attorney for George Zimmerman.

"This is self-defense, and that's been around for forever -- that you have a right to defend yourself. So the next issue (that) is going to come up is, was he justified in using the amount of force he did?"

Trayvon Martin, 17, was killed February 26 as he walked to his father's fiancee's house in Sanford, Florida, after a trip to the convenience store. Police say he was shot by Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who says he was acting in self-defense.
 
Locutus
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Report: Witness Says Trayvon Martin Attacked George Zimmerman



A new witness to the Trayvon Martin shooting has come forward, claiming the Florida teen did in fact attack neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, according to media reports.
(Related: Report: New Audio Surfaces of Trayvon Martin Shooter (external - login to view)
Zimmerman has said he shot the 17-year-old in self-defense, though Martin was reportedly carrying only a bag of Skittles and an iced tea when he was killed. Despite a loud national outcry, Zimmerman has not been arrested or charged in Martin’s death.
According to Tampa Bay Fox affiliate WTVT-TV (external - login to view), what the witness says he saw could bolster Zimmerman’s claim that he shot Martin in self-defense:
“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.
Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and didn’t not want to be shown on camera.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.


more


Report: Witness Says Trayvon Martin Attacked George Zimmerman | Video | TheBlaze.com (external - login to view)








Oh, and...


Report: New Black Panther Party Issues ‘Wanted Dead or Alive’ Poster for George Zimmerman






Report: New Black Panther Party Issues ‘Wanted Dead or Alive’ Poster for George Zimmerman | Video | TheBlaze.com (external - login to view)
 
CDNBear
#24
Oh goodie.
 
Locutus
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Yep. Now would be a good time for these so-called community leaders to help calm everyone down instead of trying to incite something. It'll just get uglier and more divisive at this rate.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

Yep. Now would be a good time for these so-called community leaders to help calm everyone down instead of trying to incite something. It'll just get uglier and more divisive at this rate.

Well Al Sharpton is not the guy to calm things down now is he.
 
Ocean Breeze
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How reliable is the witness that said that Martin attacked Zimmerman?? Was this attack premeditated?? IF he did.....was it in self defense?? What about self defence of this young kid ??

This issue is about a LOT more than just hoodies, black , white, race, self defence etc. It is just another example of what happens when a culture condones violence. creating a national atmosphere where guns , (a big part of a violent culture) and aggression bullying and other such attitudes are so prevalent. This is about a culture of fear. Fear is fostered from the leadership and all the way down to the domestic situation. This is what happens when a complete erosion of trust has taken place and is replaced with defensiveness , intolerance , abusiveness and the numerous other behaviors that are consistently being presented to the population via video games , violent TV programs.

Human killing is an every day event in this kind of culture.

So why is it any surprise that shooting of an unarmed youth (and killing him) takes place. The difference is that this one is so blatantly ugly ....it has brought forth the furor of a population.

Sadly, in time.....a new ugly shooting will take over in the media , and not even a serious professional unbiased investigation would have taken place.

Thanks to the media .....now the killer is a household name. (for a month or so anyhow ) So how much does the media enable this kind of culture?? Most news / media present the facts as facts in matter of fact manner .....but US media sensationalizes it. There is plenty of emotional bias when the talking heads present their news.


**********should he be arrested??? Well he KILLED a kid. Seems any killing of a human being requires legal action. The courts can then decide if the killing "was justified". and on what basis?
Last edited by Ocean Breeze; Mar 24th, 2012 at 03:02 PM..
 
CDNBear
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

There is plenty of emotional bias when the talking heads present their news.

I've always thought you were more of a babbling idiot, than a talking head.
 
Gavin Morgan
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President Obama said that if he had a son he "would look like Trayvon Martin".

A person who is not racist, a person who would prefer to see and appreciate the content of character of a person, rather than the colour of his skin would have said that if he had a son he "would BE like Trayvon Martin".
 
Ocean Breeze
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin MorganView Post

President Obama said that if he had a son he "would look like Trayvon Martin".

A person who is not racist, a person who would prefer to see and appreciate the content of character of a person, rather than the colour of his skin would have said that if he had a son he "would BE like Trayvon Martin".

good point. Nice catch.
 
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