Nanny State gone Mad!!! Gun drawing causes arrest....


Colpy
#1
Absolutely beyond belief!!!

Ezra Levant On The Man Arrested Cause His Daughter Drew A Gun - YouTube (external - login to view)

I hope you understand why I say it is now time to go after the rest of the Firearms Act!
 
L Gilbert
#2
Jeeeezez Levant can rattle on and on. Funny stuff, though.
 
Colpy
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Jeeeezez Levant can rattle on and on. Funny stuff, though.

Oh yeah! The guy is irritating as hell.

Doesn't make him any less correct though........
 
L Gilbert
+3
#4
Definitely correct. Yep. The cops, the family services, and the teacher were stupid.
 
PoliticalNick
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Absolutely beyond belief!!!

Ezra Levant On The Man Arrested Cause His Daughter Drew A Gun - YouTube (external - login to view)

I hope you understand why I say it is now time to go after the rest of the Firearms Act!

What else do you expect? In this age of Police State, Big Brother, Orwellian type governance of the people by our corporately owned governments you have to know this sh*t is going to happen.
 
TenPenny
+1
#6
I would assume that if he was locked up because his daughter drew a picture of a gun, then all the teachers and school staff would be imprisoned if they watched a cop show on tv.
 
damngrumpy
+3
#7
First of all I blame the four year old child. How dare she use her imagination? How dare she
use her independent imagination not influenced by the system? Can you imagine if other kids
develop their own opinions or begin to use their imaginations? Why we could have independent
thoughts breaking out every where.
This is a case where the parents should have the full recourse of the law to go after the teacher,
the school, the police and the Ministry of Families or whoever. Now I am not a fan of Sun media
however in this case I do support their view here.
Everyone over reacted and the fact that a child drew a picture of something they personally don't
approve of should not have set off an alarm bell. What the hell has happened to our society?
Have we descended into complete stupidity and is there any hope that mass television therapy
might help? Oh wait we can't have that, at least not without a statement about this might be
offensive or disturbing to some viewers.
Good God if the authoritiies are the ones out of control who is running the asylum?
 
taxslave
#8
The stupidity of socialists knows no bounds.
 
earth_as_one
+1
#9
I agree that everyone over reacted and behaved stupidly. That said, the girl indicated her father had a gun to shoot bad people and other comments which lead the police to believe the father illegally possessed an improperly stored handgun. That would be a crime, with potentially lethal consequences.

The police have to react to that and search for an illegally possessed hand gun which could have been on this person or sitting on the coffee table at home loaded. The main fear is that a child could pick up the gun and shoot themselves or someone else. another possibility is that the person is armed and could resist with lethal force. Police can't know this person wasn't a threat and have to act in a way that everyone is safe from various worst case scenarios.

Colpy seems to be an expert in this field. I agree the reaction was extreme, but the police have to react to possible criminal activity. How would you suggest the police should have reacted?
 
taxslave
+2
#10
The first usual suspect heard from

Too bad there isn't a law against terminal stupidity. Then the teacher, social workers and the cops would all be in jail.
 
earth_as_one
+2
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

The stupidity of socialists knows no bounds.

Please connect the dots. How did you get from the possibility of an illegal improperly stored handgun to blaming the socialists?
 
taxslave
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Please connect the dots. How did you get from the possibility of an illegal improperly stored handgun to blaming the socialists?

What possible hand gun. That only existed in the minds(i use the term loosely) of some teacher and a bunch of social workers with nothing better to do. A four year old drew a picture. She is smarter than the whole bunch involved.
 
earth_as_one
+1
#13
Or anyone else... How should the police react? Lets assume the location was Jane and Finch (higher crime area associated with gang related violence including shootings) and the man was black if that makes a difference. The girl said her father had a gun to shoot bad people and other clues indicating he illegally possessed an improperly stored handgun.
 
gerryh
+3
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Or anyone else... How should the police react? Lets assume the location was Jane and Finch (higher crime area associated with gang related violence including shootings) and the man was black if that makes a difference. The girl said her father had a gun to shoot bad people and other clues indicating he illegally possessed an improperly stored handgun.


That's it, show your bigotry even more. More of the Nazi coming out?
 
CDNBear
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

That's it, show your bigotry even more. More of the Nazi coming out?

I don't take EAO' post that way.

I think EAO was using an example that he feels some may view differently.
 
L Gilbert
+6
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Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I agree that everyone over reacted and behaved stupidly. That said, the girl indicated her father had a gun to shoot bad people and other comments which lead the police to believe the father illegally possessed an improperly stored handgun. That would be a crime, with potentially lethal consequences.

The police have to react to that and search for an illegally possessed hand gun which could have been on this person or sitting on the coffee table at home loaded. The main fear is that a child could pick up the gun and shoot themselves or someone else. another possibility is that the person is armed and could resist with lethal force. Police can't know this person wasn't a threat and have to act in a way that everyone is safe from various worst case scenarios.

Colpy seems to be an expert in this field. I agree the reaction was extreme, but the police have to react to possible criminal activity. How would you suggest the police should have reacted?

If the kid had drawn a picture of a plane, would anyone have assumed her father flew a plane without being licensed? If the kid had drawn a bottle of beer, would anyone have assumed her father drove while inebriated? What if the kid had drawn a Martian? Would everyone go into a "War Of The Worlds" panic? If she'd drawn a tiger would everyone assume her father was illegally importing foreign wildlife? If she'd drawn a poppy plant would anyone assume her father was producing opium?
Unreal. Nannyism and extreme over-reaction at its best. Just like inflicting stupid firearms laws on an entire population over a few incidents.
IMO, people like these should not have jobs of much responsibility because their senses of judgement and priorities are pretty much fracked.
 
taxslave
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Or anyone else... How should the police react? Lets assume the location was Jane and Finch (higher crime area associated with gang related violence including shootings) and the man was black if that makes a difference. The girl said her father had a gun to shoot bad people and other clues indicating he illegally possessed an improperly stored handgun.

If I lived in an area like that I would carry a hand gun too.
Since you are in lala land are we talking illegally owned and stored according to the law or reality? Because in my view if he paid for the gun or inherited it, it is legally owned. Likewise the legal definition of properly stored does not reflect reality.
 
CDNBear
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Nannyism and extreme over-reaction at its best.

Which would be justified by the nannyism that would undoubtedly explode, if there actually was, an unlicensed weapon in the home, and it were to be used negatively in the future.

I can just hear the accusations, and demands for answers now.

It's a vicious circle.

I fully understand your position, I fully understand EAO'.

Somewhere in the middle, there's a happy medium.
 
damngrumpy
+1
#19
First of all I don't agree taxslave that all socialists are stupid anymore than I would say that
a lot of my Conservative or Liberal friends are stupid. I am both left and right depending on
the issue.
The other part of this is that the child did not indicate her father had a gun to shoot bad people.
The child drew a picture of a gun that somewhere in her mind impressed her because there
was not gun or evidence of one in the home. Daddy hunting monsters could mean anything.
I have a three year old great grandson who goes hunting monsters with his dad and her goes
as Spider Man. No big deal.
The kids have all kinds toy guns these days some looking surprisingly real. Nope this was a
case of feeding frenzy. The over zealous kindergarten teacher, the Principal of the school the
police, and finally the Ministry of child services. Who the hell cares whether the child drew a
gun? What impresses one person does not impress another, regardless of age. Individuality
is to be encouraged not the center of discriminatory policy. I would suggest that one can draw
a picture of what ever the hell they want as long as it is legal. Anyone trying to defend this
policy knows the system broke down and the family was abused by the very services that are
supposed to protect them. I am more left than I am right on the political scale but I can see
this was an abuse of power and nothing less.
 
Cliffy
+2
#20
This is one of the dumbest stories ever told. But what is dumber is bringing left/right politics into it. Almost as dumb as the cops who arrested this guy.

I think taxslaves theme song should be "Mine eys have seen the glory of the coming of the Reds, They are hiding in our closets, they are hiding 'neath our beds."

Commies are everywhere!!!!!!!! DUCK!!!!!
 
L Gilbert
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Which would be justified by the nannyism that would undoubtedly explode, if there actually was, an unlicensed weapon in the home, and it were to be used negatively in the future.

"Ifs"? If everyone reacted this way every time a kid drew a gun, a tank, a flying saucer, a tiger, a battleship, a jet fighter, a sword, a poppy plant it's all justification for raiding her home without warrant, right?

Quote:

I can just hear the accusations, and demands for answers now.

Me, too, and I'd still be ridiculing people for reacting on such flimsy evidence.

Quote:

It's a vicious circle.

Yeah, idiocy does tend to generate them.

Quote:

I fully understand your position, I fully understand EAO'.

So do I. But judging from the Gliberals' over-reaction to a few firearms incidents, I think the whole damned issue about guns has been blown way out of proportion. Like I said, priorities are drastically askew these days.

Quote:

Somewhere in the middle, there's a happy medium.

Yeah, such as verifying issues using sense and calmness rather than reacting without thought. I doubt anyone thought to even ask the kid if her dad was a cop, military or ex-military, or if he even actually had a firearm.

Stupidity is rampant and abundant.
 
damngrumpy
+2
#22
Actually they don't have a right to go into the home without a warrant. Secondly even if and if is the
world, there had been a gun, so what? If it was not an illegal gun there would be no concern. If they
had a suspicion they could handled it so much differently. First they could ask is there a gun in your
house? Your child drew a picture of a gun, and we wondered do you have a gun that is visible or
within reach of a child? Two questions that could be answered easily.
Third question, your child drew the picture of a gun, where would she get that vision from? Answer
ask the child. or none of your business. Your kid will draw what is in their imagination and it best to
encourage them rather than make is an unpleasant experience. This is not a defensible action by
authorities who over stepped their bounds.
Some years ago my grandson was attacked by another kid at school by the lockers. He didn't hit
anyone but he restrained the other boy so he could no longer punch him. Result he got suspended
anyway for defending himself. There was a teacher in the hall who saw what happened and admitted
my grandson only restrained him he did not return aggression. Still a zero policy means both were
suspended. My answer to the Principal and my grandson. Next time beat the **** out of him you are
going to be punished anyway and if the school can't do its job then you might as well do it yourself.
And kid make it hurt. Little did they know my grandson could have mopped the flow with the little punk
he has some serious training in marshal arts and did then too. He kept his cool though. It was a year
later at a theatre in town same kid, with issues who went home missing several teeth.
The schools are full of idiots and people who read the rule book without a single grain of thought.
 
taxslave
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

This is one of the dumbest stories ever told. But what is dumber is bringing left/right politics into it. Almost as dumb as the cops who arrested this guy.

I think taxslaves theme song should be "Mine eys have seen the glory of the coming of the Reds, They are hiding in our closets, they are hiding 'neath our beds."

Commies are everywhere!!!!!!!! DUCK!!!!!

There ain't no glory in the coming of socialist hordes. AKA barbarians at the door. They are a menace to society and the economy.
 
mentalfloss
#24
Nannies give good head.
 
skookumchuck
+1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

This is one of the dumbest stories ever told. But what is dumber is bringing left/right politics into it. Almost as dumb as the cops who arrested this guy.

I think taxslaves theme song should be "Mine eys have seen the glory of the coming of the Reds, They are hiding in our closets, they are hiding 'neath our beds."

Commies are everywhere!!!!!!!! DUCK!!!!!


Methinks yon Cliffy doth protesteth too much.
 
mentalfloss
+1
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

This is one of the dumbest stories ever told. But what is dumber is bringing left/right politics into it. Almost as dumb as the cops who arrested this guy.

I think taxslaves theme song should be "Mine eys have seen the glory of the coming of the Reds, They are hiding in our closets, they are hiding 'neath our beds."

Commies are everywhere!!!!!!!! DUCK!!!!!

This is the funniest thing I've read on these boards.

Well done!
 
petros
+1
#27
Draw!

 
wulfie68
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I agree that everyone over reacted and behaved stupidly. That said, the girl indicated her father had a gun to shoot bad people and other comments which lead the police to believe the father illegally possessed an improperly stored handgun. That would be a crime, with potentially lethal consequences.

A drawing and some verbage from a 4 yr old is now probable cause for a warrant??? Aren't you one of the people who is always railing on about the obligations of those with power and against abuses of authority? Well one of the obligations is to use that power responsibly. Just because a gun was possibly present, also doesn't mean it was unlawfully present OR improperly stored.

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

The police have to react to that and search for an illegally possessed hand gun which could have been on this person or sitting on the coffee table at home loaded. The main fear is that a child could pick up the gun and shoot themselves or someone else. another possibility is that the person is armed and could resist with lethal force. Police can't know this person wasn't a threat and have to act in a way that everyone is safe from various worst case scenarios.

This is all nice but again it rests on the word and understanding of a 4 year old... who also claimed her father used said weapon to fight "monsters.

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Colpy seems to be an expert in this field. I agree the reaction was extreme, but the police have to react to possible criminal activity. How would you suggest the police should have reacted?

The duty of the police is to INVESTIGATE not necessarily react. Said investigation could have obtained the facts of the situation without an over reaction that should result in a lawsuit against a whole whack of people.
 
Colpy
+2
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I agree that everyone over reacted and behaved stupidly. That said, the girl indicated her father had a gun to shoot bad people and other comments which lead the police to believe the father illegally possessed an improperly stored handgun. That would be a crime, with potentially lethal consequences.

The police have to react to that and search for an illegally possessed hand gun which could have been on this person or sitting on the coffee table at home loaded. The main fear is that a child could pick up the gun and shoot themselves or someone else. another possibility is that the person is armed and could resist with lethal force. Police can't know this person wasn't a threat and have to act in a way that everyone is safe from various worst case scenarios.

Colpy seems to be an expert in this field. I agree the reaction was extreme, but the police have to react to possible criminal activity. How would you suggest the police should have reacted?

It was a DRAWING.

There was NO evidence of criminal activity.

There are a million legally owned restricted weapons in Canada. What exactly gives the police the right to assume that a picture representing a gun represents an illegal gun????????

If my kid draws a picture of a car, does that mean the police have the right to arrest me, handcuff me, strip search me, remove my family from the house, and search for an illegal vehicle????

One is as ludicrous as the other.

The victim here should be consulting a lawyer, and demanding satisfaction.

As far as anyone knows, he doesn't even OWN a gun.

Imagine now, if this had been my house, and the police search turned up my collection........all legally held, but dammit, can you imagine?

I'd have been there a week, refusing to answer their questions.

There is simply no excuse for this.

NONE.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Nannies give good head.

The state does not.
 
Bar Sinister
+2
#30
Hmm - it appears that I may have escaped such an incident by a few years. Two decades ago my son and his buddies in daycare made their own guns out of cheese slices, violating the daycare's no firearms (toy or otherwise) policy. I was merely informed of this heinous act. However, as someone who had a .22 at age 14 I was hardly alarmed by it.
 

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