Iran - Sanctions - Blockades - War - Treaties - to name a few possibilities


MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

This should take care of that worry.

You're so hot to have a war go join in see just how fast war loses it false glory
 
Goober
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Interesting article on Iran and the US
I hope he has the right take on this situation

Iranian nukes and polls: Wink or blink | The Economist (external - login to view)

Iranians are a subtle people. They are used to things not being what they seem, and to words not meaning what they appear to say. Still, it must seem odd that just when some Western leaders have been rattling sabres louder than ever (see Lexington), Western diplomats suddenly proposed, on March 6th, to resume suspended talks with the Islamic Republic over its vexed nuclear programme. It must seem equally strange that Iran’s leaders, who in February bluntly barred the UN’s nuclear inspectors from visiting a particularly suspect site, now suddenly say they are welcome to a tour.

The obvious conclusion is that tough talk on both sides has masked quieter efforts to reach a compromise. A year ago Iran broke off negotiations with a contact group that includes the five permanent UN Security Council members plus Germany, angered by what it called their narrow focus on nuclear proliferation. In the interim Iran has spewed bellicose rhetoric while accelerating uranium enrichment. Its biggest snub was the denial of access to a military base at Parchin, south-east of the capital, Tehran, where the UN’s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, says it may have tested detonators suitable for nuclear bombs. Recent satellite images shown to the agency by Western intelligence services are said to reveal signs of a belated clean-up at the site, raising further concerns.

Yet in other respects Iran has continued, grudgingly, to co-operate with the inspection regime. In February Ayatollah Khamenei, the Supreme Leader, reiterated that the Islamic Republic “has never and will never” pursue nuclear weapons because it considers them sinful. Iran’s nuclear negotiator, Saeed Jalili, also suddenly deigned to answer a letter, sent to him in October by Catherine Ashton, the EU’s foreign-policy chief, requesting renewed talks with the six-nation contact group.

Less publicly, Iran has shown that it is beginning to be rattled by increasingly punitive international sanctions. It has, for instance, sharply increased imports of grain, in what looks like an effort to pre-empt future food shortages. Its officials have also dropped their tone of bluster about the economic impact of sanctions, with even President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad quietly admitting that they hurt.

Perhaps what Iran needs is a face-saving way to climb down. This may explain a recent efflorescence of bravado in official statements. The foreign ministry, for instance, advised Iran’s enemies to “bow before the grandeur and dignity of the Iranian people”. Mostafa Mohammad Najjar, the interior minister, declared that Iran had recently dealt those enemies a “slap in the face” and a “punch in the mouth”.
 
Ocean Breeze
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Gunboats, Super-Torpedoes, Sea-Bots: U.S. Navy Launches Huge Iran Surge

Gunboats, Super-Torpedoes, Sea-Bots: U.S. Navy Launches Huge Iran Surge | Danger Room | Wired.com (external - login to view)




the writing on the wall?? What is it with the US warmongers ??? It looks like they tasted blood and LIKE IT.
 
earth_as_one
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At the same time both US and Israeli intelligence agencies believe Iran does not have a nuclear weapon program.
www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/wo...lear-data.html (external - login to view)
 
L Gilbert
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We all know that intelligence agencies are correct all the time, too.

I'm thinking that when Iran first refused to allow inspectors in to survey the issue, they may have been delaying so they could hide any evidence of nuclear armament.

Personally, I'm the sit back and wait to see if any more evidence pops up one way or the other, but definitely keep an awfully careful watch on any activities and be ready for any possibilities. And I wouldn't be swallowing everything I heard, saw, or read from the media. They have one single motive - sensationalism; because it brings in the money and one of its tools is conjecture. Another is taking comments out of context. There are lots more tools.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Gunboats, Super-Torpedoes, Sea-Bots: U.S. Navy Launches Huge Iran Surge | Danger Room | Wired.com (external - login to view)




the writing on the wall?? What is it with the US warmongers ??? It looks like they tasted blood and LIKE IT.

Both sides are posturing. I prefer Obama's way - He started by reaching out to Iran if you recall. What was the result.
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

At the same time both US and Israeli intelligence agencies believe Iran does not have a nuclear weapon program.
www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/wo...lear-data.html (external - login to view)

Indeed. Same is being reported on BBC. This seems even more convoluted now with all the spin than the pre-Iraq build up to elective invasion.

ONe has to wonder what the underlying hatred of Iran is all about. Seems it is a lot more comlex than the propaganda machine is revealing.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Indeed. Same is being reported on BBC. This seems even more convoluted now with all the spin than the pre-Iraq build up to elective invasion.

ONe has to wonder what the underlying hatred of Iran is all about. Seems it is a lot more comlex than the propaganda machine is revealing.

Perhaps because many people think that they are crazier than North Korea and having Nukes would just cause more problems in an area that is a tinderbox.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Perhaps because many people think that they are crazier than North Korea and having Nukes would just cause more problems in an area that is a tinderbox.

Any chance you've gone over my last thread on N Korea?

forums.canadiancontent.net/in...quits-nat.html (external - login to view)

 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Any chance you've gone over my last thread on N Korea?

forums.canadiancontent.net/in...quits-nat.html (external - login to view)

Just went over it. Russia is having problems with China on a long term gas deal/ pipeline etc are they not?

NG from NA will be on the market as well.

China is also developing their NG fracking tech in partnership companies that have been doing this for a number of years. So how much gas will China need from Russia/Canada/US??
 
Ocean Breeze
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Well, it has gotten pretty darn hard to know what is FACT , what is propaganda with underlying political motives, What are blatant lies and IF there is even a grain to truth to what we the public of the world are told.

It has also gotten so easy to start wars .......and that is a dangerous path to get into......as other options which are usually more difficult , and time consuming ....are less likely to be considered.

the pounding rhetoric repeating some vague and unsubstatiated threat is enough to convince the masses of just about anything. --Particularly if they are prone to war and terrorizing via war.

Suspect that regardless of what is stated the motives are basic. More POWER and CONTROL.....be it of the planets resources and/or geography.

the big problem of course is the lack of credibility the USG has. It lied about invading Iraq....(stockpiles of WMD ) and so many other things........that it is impossible to believe anything it says now. Even if it actually told the truth about a real threat and provided evidence........it would still be suspect.

When a so called powerful nation .......which thinks it is a world leader loses credibility......things can go from bad to worse rather quickly.

The US , Israel can accuse Iran of whatever they think will work or justify another major invasion... but the lack of credibility will continue to be a stain. on their reputation.
Last edited by Ocean Breeze; Mar 18th, 2012 at 02:25 PM..
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Russia is having problems with China on a long term gas deal/ pipeline etc are they not?

Nope. The line has been up and running for quite sometime. Japan is in desperate need of the Russian gas.

China is also partnered up with Iran to supply Pakistan, India and Bangledesh.

Are nukes the real target or is it the gas fields?

India still welcome to join IPI pipeline project: Pakistani official - Xinhua | English.news.cn (external - login to view)

The IPI line is in direct competition with US backed TAPI line.

How much more "axis of evil" crap are you willing to swallow?
 
darkbeaver
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Israel Limeys und Amerkians=====AXIS OF DRIVEL
 
earth_as_one
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Both sides are posturing. I prefer Obama's way - He started by reaching out to Iran if you recall. What was the result.

Four dead Iranian nuclear scientists?
Four Iranian nuclear scientists have been assassinated in the past two years in what Iran – and many others in the international community – believe are operations by the Israeli secret services, or its proxy agents, as part of a covert war.
Iran 'trying to attack Israeli targets in retaliation for scientists' deaths' | World news | guardian.co.uk (external - login to view)


Dec 15, 2009
The White House Tuesday defended President Barack Obama's open hand policy towards Iran, after Hillary Clinton said nearly a year of offering dialogue to the Islamic state had achieved little progress.

Obama's open offer was more like an ultimatum. Iran has an NPT right to enrich uranium to 20%. Pure enough to create medical isotopes and generate power, but not pure enough to make a bomb.

  • United Nations Security Council Resolution 1696 (external - login to view) - passed on 31 July 2006. Demanded that Iran suspend all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, but did not invoke Chapter VII or impose sanctions.
  • United Nations Security Council Resolution 1737 (external - login to view) - passed on 23 December 2006. Banned the supply of nuclear-related materials and technology and froze the assets of key individuals and companies related to the program.
  • United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747 (external - login to view) - passed on 24 March 2007. Imposed an arms embargo and expanded the freeze on Iranian assets.
  • United Nations Security Council Resolution 1803 (external - login to view) - passed on 3 March 2008. Extended the asset freezes and called upon states to monitor the activities of Iranian banks, inspect Iranian ships and aircraft, and to monitor the movement of individuals involved with the program through their territory.
  • United Nations Security Council Resolution 1835 (external - login to view) - Passed in 2008.
  • United Nations Security Council Resolution 1929 (external - login to view) - passed on 9 June 2010. Banned Iran from participating in any activities related to ballistic missiles (external - login to view), tightened the arms embargo, travel bans on individuals involved with the program, froze the funds and assets of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines, and recommended that states inspect Iranian cargo, prohibit the servicing of Iranian vessels involved in prohibited activities, prevent the provision of financial services used for sensitive nuclear activities, closely watch Iranian individuals and entities when dealing with them, prohibit the opening of Iranian banks on their territory and prevent Iranian banks from entering into relationship with their banks if it might contribute to the nuclear program, and prevent financial institutions operating in their territory from opening offices and accounts in Iran.

Sanctions against Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)

Iran has an NPT right to peaceful nuclear technology. Nuke weapon possessing nations have an NPT obligation to reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals. Iran is compliant with the npt. The US, China, Russia, The UK, France, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel are not compliant with the NPT.

According to arrangements in force at the time for implementation of Iran's safeguards agreement with the IAEA,[75] Iran was not required to allow IAEA inspections of a new nuclear facility until six months before nuclear material is introduced into that facility. At the time, Iran was not even required to inform the IAEA of the existence of the facility. This "six months" clause was standard for implementation of all IAEA safeguards agreements until 1992, when the IAEA Board of Governors decided that facilities should be reported during the planning phase, even before construction began. Iran was the last country to accept that decision, and only did so 26 February 2003, after the IAEA investigation began.

To address concerns that its enrichment program may be diverted to non-peaceful uses,[22] Iran has offered to place additional restrictions on its enrichment program including, for example, ratifying the Additional Protocol to allow more stringent inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency, operating the uranium enrichment facility at Natanz as a multinational fuel center with the participation of foreign representatives, renouncing plutonium reprocessing and immediately fabricating all enriched uranium into reactor fuel rods.[23] Iran's offer to open its uranium enrichment program to foreign private and public participation mirrors suggestions of an IAEA expert committee which was formed to investigate the methods to reduce the risk that sensitive fuel cycle activities could contribute to national nuclear weapons capabilities.[24] Some non-governmental U.S. experts have endorsed this approach

Nuclear program of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
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Goober
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[QUOTE=earth_as_one;1562507]Four dead Iranian nuclear scientists?
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On the Thread Soldier kills 16 - i asked a question as Gerry has his opinion and I mine of what you meant on a particular post. care to clarify that?
 
Goober
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U.S. and allies agree: Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, may not want one and is far from building one | News | National Post

U.S. and allies agree: Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, may not want one and is far from building one

By Tabassum Zakaria and Mark Hosenball

WASHINGTON — The United States, European allies and even Israel generally agree on three things about Iran’s nuclear program: Tehran does not have a bomb, has not decided to build one, and is probably years away from having a deliverable nuclear warhead.

Those conclusions, drawn from extensive interviews with current and former U.S. and European officials with access to intelligence on Iran, contrast starkly with the heated debate surrounding a possible Israeli strike on Tehran’s nuclear facilities.

“They’re keeping the soup warm but they are not cooking it,” a U.S. administration official said.

Reuters has learned that in late 2006 or early 2007, U.S. intelligence intercepted telephone and email communications in which Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, a leading figure in Iran’s nuclear program, and other scientists complained that the weaponization program had been stopped.

That led to a bombshell conclusion in a controversial 2007 National Intelligence Estimate: American spy agencies had “high confidence” that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003.

Current and former U.S. officials say they are confident that Iran has no secret uranium-enrichment site outside the purview of UN nuclear inspections.

They also have confidence that any Iranian move toward building a functional nuclear weapon would be detected long before a bomb was made.

These intelligence findings are what underpin President Barack Obama’s argument that there is still time to see whether economic sanctions will compel Iran’s leaders to halt any program.

The Obama administration, relying on a top-priority intelligence collection program and after countless hours of debate, has concluded that Iranian leaders have not decided whether to actively construct a nuclear weapon, current and former officials said.

There is little argument, however, that Iran’s leaders have taken steps that would give them the option of becoming a nuclear-armed power.
 
earth_as_one
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"There is little argument, however, that Iran’s leaders have taken steps that would give them the option of becoming a nuclear-armed power."

That's right. A nuclear break out capability. Iran has that now, so they don't need nukes for a nuclear deterrent. just the idea that Iran could build and test a nuke in a relatively short time is the equivalent of a nuclear deterrent..

Also Iran is working on a "space program" to put satellites in space. Just like peaceful nuclear energy, rocket booster technology can have a dual purpose. The same rockets boosters which put satellites in space can also carry warheads across continents. However, the technology isn't a "threat" until Iran actually put a warhead on one of these rockets and prove it works. Until then its a potential threat.

I would also support Iran having their rocket program similarly monitored as their nuclear program. Feel free to put all the satellites into space you want. But put a single war head on one and test it and you get the same consequences as testing a nuclear weapon.
 
Just the Facts
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

U.S. and allies agree: Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, may not want one and is far from building one | News | National Post

U.S. and allies agree: Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, may not want one and is far from building one

By Tabassum Zakaria and Mark Hosenball

I'm not going to pretend to have done anything more than skim the article, but in doing so, it seems to rely considerably on that 2007 report, which I'm pretty sure I recall reading, has been all but torn up and tossed on the trash heap of bad intelligence.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Just the FactsView Post

I'm not going to pretend to have done anything more than skim the article, but in doing so, it seems to rely considerably on that 2007 report, which I'm pretty sure I recall reading, has been all but torn up and tossed on the trash heap of bad intelligence.

I think they may be papering things over - But possibly not. More reports will come out. The meeting planned with Iran - This report will be looked at by many and I will wait to see what they bring up.
I bolded the areas where you can see some differences on this.

There are also blind spots in U.S. and allied agencies’ knowledge. A crucial unknown is the intentions of Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Another question is exactly how much progress Iran made in designing a warhead before mothballing its program. The allies disagree on how fast Iran is progressing toward bomb-building ability: the U.S. thinks progress is relatively slow; the Europeans and Israelis believe it’s faster.
U.S. officials assert that intelligence reporting on Iran’s nuclear program is better than it was on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, which proved to be non-existent but which President George W. Bush and his aides used to make the case for the 2003 invasion.

That case and others, such as the U.S. failure to predict India’s 1998 underground nuclear test, illustrate the perils of divining secrets about others’ weapons programs

Israel, which regards a nuclear Iran as an existential threat, has a different calculation. It studies the same intelligence and timetable, but sees a closing window of opportunity to take unilateral military action and set back Iran’s ambitions. Israel worries that Iran will soon have moved enough of its nuclear program underground — or spread it far enough around the country — as to make it virtually impervious to a unilateral Israeli attack, creating what Defense Minister Ehud Barak recently referred to as a “zone of immunity.”

While Israel would not be able to launch an effective offensive in this analysis, the U.S., with its deeper-penetrating bombs and in-air refueling capability, believes it could still get results from a military strike.

Israel has not publicly defined how or when Iran would enter this phase of a nuclear weapons program. Barak said last month that relying on an ability to detect an order by Khamenei to build a bomb “oversimplifies the issue dramatically.”



The 2007 report gummed up efforts by the Bush administration to persuade the UN Security Council and others to add pressure on Iran with more sanctions. It was greeted with disbelief by Israel and some European allies.

“It really pulled the rug out of our sanctions effort until we got it back on track in 2008,” recalled Stephen Hadley, former national security adviser to Bush.

Overlooked by many was that the report said Iran had been pursuing a nuclear weapon and was keeping its options open for developing one, he said. “The problem was that it was misinterpreted as an all-clear when it wasn’t that at all,” Hadley said.
 
MHz
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So really Goober who is messing with who? Surely you would agree that the persons involved in the first link are acting as enemies of the state of Syria to the point of committing treason and just who are the Lebanese that were caught working for, several have been arrested as Israeli spies in the recent past.
Army Intercepts Two Vehicles Carrying Arms in al-Qaa (external - login to view)

The 2nd link would seem that Israel has been at war with Iran for several years, all illegal of course but who gives a **** about their transgressions against neighbors?
Israeli Soldiers Reportedly Already Active in Iran : (external - login to view)
 
Goober
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Israeli official: Sanctions on Iran are 'much more effective than people think' | Turtle Bay (external - login to view)

Israeli officials have long expressed deep skepticism about the impact of international sanctions alone in compelling Iran's leadership to abandon what it sees as its pursuit of nuclear weapons. Israel's U.N. ambassador, Ron Prosor, told a group of reporters on Friday at the Israeli mission to the United Nations, that he believes Tehran is as committed as ever to a nuclear weapon.

But he also credited international sanctions, particularly a set of financial measures imposed by the United States and the European Union, with exacting a steep enough price that it may force Tehran to change its behavior. Prosor cited a recent decision by the Belgium-based Society of World Wide Interbank Financial Telecommunications, or Swift, blocking dozens of Iranian firms from doing business as the latest evidence the sanctions are having an impact.

"I think the international community at this stage has really moved forward and have made at least clear to Tehran that there is a certain price tag for continuing" its pursuit of nuclear weapons, he said. "The decision on SWIFT, the issue of the sanctions by the EU, are important and have an effect on Iran...I do see really a movement on the international stage, especially on the economic side...It's much more effective than people think and it might change, hopefully it might change behavior patterns if we continue with it."

Prosor made the remarks at a press breakfast with more than a dozen international reporters at the Israeli mission, providing a hint that Israel may be stepping away from its campaign to rally support for military strikes against Iran. He also used the meeting to underscore anti-Israeli bias at the United Nations Human Rights Council, and highlight the need for humanitarian assistance in Syria.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober;1572100
Prosor made the remarks at a press breakfast with more than a dozen international reporters at the Israeli mission, providing a hint that Israel may be stepping away from its campaign to rally support for military strikes against Iran. He also used the meeting to underscore anti-Israeli bias at the United Nations Human Rights Council,[B

and highlight the need for humanitarian assistance in Syria[/B].

Another news station joins the ranks of promopting western propaganda, well tried to anyway, some reporters still have morals.
(in part)
Moussa Ahmed, a producer for Al Jazeera’s Beirut Bureau, is just one of the five Al-Jazeera employees that have resigned (external - login to view) in the last couple of weeks over the news outlets biased coverage of the unrest in Syria.
In resigning he has came forward and said he decided to leave Al Jazeera as the TV channel concealed facts and fabricated news stories entirely.
In an Arabic news broadcast I obtained from China Central TV, he says the station has been reporting false news reports since the Libya revolution.
In the video, he refers to a video of child pretending injured that Al Jazeera reported on air even though they knew the child was faking his injury.
Coincidentally the video report was provided to the station by the activist Danny who has been exposed for fabricating an entirely different news report for CNN (external - login to view).
CNN has also aired the story the producer points out to be a known fake.
He apologizes that it has taken this long to come forward explaining working for Al Jazeera is the dream of many reporters from which one can infer that by blowing the whistle he is giving up on that dream and moreover his career as a reporter.
Al Jazeera Faked Syria, Libya News Reports Says Producer (external - login to view)




Wag The Dog - Media Caught Faking Syria News Stories (external - login to view)




Why fake the news, oh yeah Bahrain can kill with impunity and without any media coverage.

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As the protests in Bahrain face violent brutal crackdowns western politicians and media remains silent raising scrutiny over their denouncement of similar violence in other regions.

While western politicians trumpet their facade of being promoters of democracy, defenders of freedom, and protectors of human rights some when one objectively examines world events as a whole cracks in the story appear and sinister motives are revealed.
For evidence of this claim we need to look no further than the silence of western politicians over the violent crackdown in Bahrain.
The United States is happy to fuel unrest in nation’s where there are vast oil supplies and other resources to be pillaged but only in nation’s where Shiite Muslims are in control of the government.
While attention is constantly focused on Syria a brutal crackdown in Bahrain has been going on for a long time and the corporate media is all but silent on the situation which raises serious questions about the objectivity of such news organizations and whether they are in fact government controlled propaganda outlets.
Perhaps another example is the White House’s decision to allow child soldiers (external - login to view) in such ‘ally’ regimes while using the same excuse to starve millions of people in unfriendly regimes, a decision that again the corporate media is silent on.
We see no condemnation of human rights violations in nations where leaders of the current government are mere puppets of the United States, which are often Sunni Muslim controlled regimes are often bought and paid for with bribes or US foreign policies that protect the leaders of these human rights violating nations.
Corporate Media Silent On Brutal Bahrain Crackdown (external - login to view)
 
Goober
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Meanwhile back in Iran and the talks coming up. Posturing.

U.S. to demand immediate closure of Iran’s underground nuclear facility | News | National Post

The United States and its allies are pressing for an end to Iran’s high-level uranium enrichment and the closure of a facility built deep under a mountain as talks on Tehran’s nuclear standoff with the West resume this week in Istanbul.

A return to the table, as the Western allies tighten sanctions over what they say is Tehran’s program to develop nuclear weapons, had been in doubt after Iran and the P5+1 countries — the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany — released conflicting statements about the venue.

Tehran had earlier voiced concerns about holding talks in Turkey, whose opposition to Iranian ally President Bashar al-Assad in Syria has angered the Islamic Republic.

Iranian media said the talks, which collapsed more than a year ago, would begin on Friday, while the European Union’s foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said they would start on Saturday.

“After weeks of debates, Iran and the six world powers agreed to attend a first meeting in Istanbul,” the semi-official Fars news agency reported, citing unnamed sources. State-run English language Press TV carried the same report.

Fars also said the sides had agreed to a second round of talks in Baghdad if there was progress in Turkey. There was no immediate comment on the venue from the world powers.

A senior U.S. official said that getting Iran to suspend high-level uranium enrichment and close a nuclear facility built deep under a mountain near the holy city of Qom are “near-term priorities” for the United States and its allies.
 
MHz
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You know they have a mutual defense pact, ... yes??

Is the US intentionally trying to get the hardliners more votes next election? Who did the West run as the new Shaw in the last election if they are so hot for political change? None as total votes would have also been the same exact number, none.
Last edited by MHz; Apr 8th, 2012 at 07:17 PM..
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

You know they have a mutual defense pact, ... yes??
Is the US intentionally trying to get the hardliners more votes next election? Who did the West run as the new Shaw in the last election if they are so hot for political change? None as total votes would have also been the same exact number, none.

There is no room for distention in Iran. Oh yes they have plenty of other rooms - prisons - torture - And hanging.
Do you think those elections were in any way free?
 
MHz
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Compared to the Shaw's reign, yes. Compared to US elections via Diabold yes, compared to Canada and the phone tricks yes. You and other want to paint them as somebody that would make Satan cringe, It's all bull-biscuts and done for a variety of petty reasons by just a few. It is the responsibility of other Nations to accept that and bury their objections and move onto something deemed 'important'.

If somebody comes up to me and says they are going to pinch me in the face they are going to be on the ground from being struck before the echo of the words die away.

You are a long way from the battle field what is fueling you, loyalty to a 'just cause'? If is in contradiction of any of the UN human rights documents then it is blind loyalty and doing a Hatfield and McCoy routine is probably a war crime by itself or at least it should be.

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

There is no room for distention in Iran. Oh yes they have plenty of other rooms - prisons - torture - And hanging.

You can find all of that in Texas, not all of it officially sanctioned by the State but done by a State employee all the same and it is getting worse as the prison system is predicted to get larger much faster. The Nation would be wise to all surrender right now en mass before the 'machine' can handle the input and killing everybody in open view is so messy, not that it wouldn't be done and done successfully if that is what TPTB determined is the 'best move at the time'.

You shouldn't keep bring up those prisons and torture rooms, they are a holdover from the days the Shaw and CIA ran the country, no citizens voted and progress into the latest technology was limited to the elite. You can brutalize a group only so long and then the mob rule beats any military in a civilian war. 750m rounds is a lot of target practice, wonder if those plants close up after that last run?
 
LiesOfTheIntell
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

JOOOOOOOO Media! What a bigot.

Anyone who denies that the Jews control the vast majority of mass media in North America is either in denial or suffering from an "Ostrich position." It is not racist to point out the "uni-ethnicity" of the ownership of media.


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The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

By Joel Stein

How Jewish is Hollywood? (external - login to view)
 
LiesOfTheIntell
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I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this ridiculous thread, what with the Israel "perpetual victimhood" narrative being used to justify an absurb posit: "We face an existential threat." BS. Just more philo-Zionist excreta courtesy of Goober. It stinks to holy Hell. Goober's and his pals at the United Jewish Appeal's mission is to turn this place into a little Zionist Racist circle jerk for his fellow treasonous psychopaths to lure us into endlessly engaging with their insanity.

But with jewmedia flaming the irrational fears of a dissillusioned public, and GOP politicians salavitating for favourable media coverage maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that Iraq Part II - the invasion of Iran gets so much traction.

Some points no doubt already mentioned:
- Isreal has over 200 nukes, if Iran attacks, thereby killing milliions of Arabs, it will be anihilated. Not to mention any attqacfk on Israel, will also result in Arabs being killed.
- No country that has the nuke has ever been invaded. The MAD doctrine ensures the peace. However, somehow, this "threatens" Israel.
- When Iran gets a nuke it will be on diplomatically even grounds with Israel. However this "threatens" Israel.
- An Israeli attack will only delay Iran's nuke program, not stop it.
- The Israeli public is strongly against (external - login to view) an attack. Yea for them!
- Ahmadenijad was misquoted by jewmedia, he said "wipe Zionism off the map" (an ugly political regime) he is mistranslated (purposefully) as "wipe Israel off the map." CNN agrees with this refutation (external - login to view). Refuting this lie is important since it supposedly forms the basis of the so called "existential threat." Such hogwash.

Here's a quote from another forum:
This pile of digital crap is like all the others - designed as a distraction. This is so he can suck normal people into his cesspool of time wasting, debilitating demented polemics on behalf of the real enemies of this country, ie: verminous backstabbing snake in the grass reptiles like himself and the place he loves the most: The Apartheid Abomination.

ow

Such a good post needs a bump.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by LiesOfTheIntellView Post

Reposted due to quality content:

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this ridiculous thread, what with the Israel "perpetual victimhood" narrative being used to justify an absurb posit: "We face an existential threat." BS. Just more philo-Zionist excreta courtesy of Goober. It stinks to holy Hell. Goober's and his pals at the United Jewish Appeal's mission is to turn this place into a little Zionist Racist circle jerk for his fellow treasonous psychopaths to lure us into endlessly engaging with their insanity.

But with jewmedia flaming the irrational fears of a dissillusioned public, and GOP politicians salavitating for favourable media coverage maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that Iraq Part II - the invasion of Iran gets so much traction.

It is refreshing to read such an impartial post.
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Your answer is BS - 1 million was rhe estimated casualties for invading Japan- Unacceptable .

The nuclear bombing of Japan was a demo to anyone who opposed American foreign policy. The estimate of a million
casualties in the invasion of Japan was nonsense. Japan was finished. American bombing raids over Japan were unopposed
for months.
 

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