Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
Clearly you haven't explained a thing. For example, I'm not "switching back to a legal argument".
I'm sure you actually believe you aren't, and at one point you might have actually been able to claim that. Or more importantly, you'd like anyone following the conversation to at least believe that.
Unfortunately though, your
concept of a nation is predicated on legal parameters, not moral ones. This was made patently clear, when you chose to use Somaliland as a model in rebuttal to the sole aspect of international standard.
If you were arguing from a moral position, why would you use a legal constraint, such as diplomatic recognition?
Furthermore, a moral position would recognize the fundamental human right to self determination, since you believe in equal rights for all. Which morally wouldn't require external recognition to consider themselves a sovereign nation. But legally does, hence the present position of Somaliland. Whereas First Nations have political recognition, the Government of Canada formally recognizing First nations as such. Does recognize the power of First Nations political leaders. Not to mention the other Commonwealth and non Commonwealth nations that accept the sovereignty of such Nations as the Haudenosaunee. On the moral grounds, that they never ceded sovereignty to the Crown.
But then of course, your position is bound by legal convention and the belief in the legal sovereignty of the Canadian nation. This is only compounded by the fact that for that to be pertinent, you would have to establish that Canada is a Nation on moral grounds, and that all First Nations are morally Canadian. If you can establish that within the parameters of morality. I'd like to see it. But since you have already established, that you don't believe that birth should morally give one the right to be Canadian. I'm not sure you morally can.
I understand your confusion and discomfort in acknowledging that you confuse legal and moral arguments, as exampled by your simplistic dismissal of the moral position I put forward, ie; The fact that you accept Canada as it defines itself as a Nation v
First Nation. If you could actually separate the two distinctive positions, legal v
moral, you wouldn't feel the need to simplistically dismiss the moral argument you claimed you wanted to have.
I look forward to your dismissive reply to this post as well. It is your standard MO, when you get what you asked for and get PWND by it.
Last edited by CDNBear; Jan 28th, 2012 at 10:41 AM..