Hall of Fame Member
Posts: 10,505 
Location: The Evil Empire
Location: The Evil Empire
June 14th, 2008, 08:22 AM
Please tell me in your opinion why the North and South Towers fell. WE can deal with Tower 7 later on. Please go ahead, I am willing to listen to your views and take them seriously if you do the same.
Quoting quandary121
Alright quandry121, I have created a thread sepcifically to discuss how the towers fell. I do not want your endless copying and pasting of articles, I would prefer your own posts from the knowledge you have acquired in your research. There's no explanation - no legitimate explanation - about why those towers and Building 7 came down. FACT!!!!!
Please tell me in your opinion why the North and South Towers fell. WE can deal with Tower 7 later on. Please go ahead, I am willing to listen to your views and take them seriously if you do the same.
Hall of Fame Member
Posts: 10,505
Location: The Evil Empire
Location: The Evil Empire
June 14th, 2008, 08:36 AM
Quoting CDNBear
It's not going to matter, but not yet.
Hey ITN, you for me to break out the Mohawk High Steel and the professional welders/fabricators card just yet?
Hawkings former plumber
Posts: 10,206
Videos: 3
Location: RR1 Distopia 666 Discordia Drive Apt 911
Videos: 3
Location: RR1 Distopia 666 Discordia Drive Apt 911
June 14th, 2008, 08:39 AM
The towers fell because Israeli demolition crews set charges at the behest of the bankers who required a wider sphere of warfare.
The towers fell because Israeli demolition crews set charges at the behest of the bankers who required a wider sphere of warfare.
Time Out
Posts: 2,948
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
June 14th, 2008, 10:22 AM
they used explosives ,all photo evidence of the site after the collapse ,the distinctive shape of metal cuts plus heat sources taken by cameras prove the use of the explosive, also squibs shown as the towers collapse prove the use of explosives,dogs used before 9/11 to sniff out explosives were withdrawn upto 2 months earlier ,reports on the ground and recordings from eyewitness firemen report explosions in the basement need i say more
they used explosives ,all photo evidence of the site after the collapse ,the distinctive shape of metal cuts plus heat sources taken by cameras prove the use of the explosive, also squibs shown as the towers collapse prove the use of explosives,dogs used before 9/11 to sniff out explosives were withdrawn upto 2 months earlier ,reports on the ground and recordings from eyewitness firemen report explosions in the basement need i say more
Time Out
Posts: 2,948
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
June 14th, 2008, 10:24 AM
The speed of the collapses was at near free fall speed. This violates the law of conservation of momentum
The fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse
The fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several steel-frame buildings that did not collapse.
The steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives.
The speed of the collapses was at near free fall speed. This violates the law of conservation of momentum
The fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse
The fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several steel-frame buildings that did not collapse.
The steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives.
Time Out
Posts: 2,948
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
June 14th, 2008, 10:33 AM
the use of thermite provides a credible explanation for the fires, hot spots and molten steel and why they removed the evidence as sulfer evidence would have been shown to be present ,the fact that concrete turned to dust also explicitly shows the use of explosives, bits of concrete and metal being thrown in the air during the collapse proves the use of explosives.!!!
the use of thermite provides a credible explanation for the fires, hot spots and molten steel and why they removed the evidence as sulfer evidence would have been shown to be present ,the fact that concrete turned to dust also explicitly shows the use of explosives, bits of concrete and metal being thrown in the air during the collapse proves the use of explosives.!!!
Time Out
Posts: 2,948
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
June 14th, 2008, 10:39 AM
the cuts shape proves demolition also notice the molten metal around the cut.!
more cuts.!!!!
a close up of the cut and molten metal
the cuts shape proves demolition also notice the molten metal around the cut.!
more cuts.!!!!
a close up of the cut and molten metal
June 14th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Wow, you are right, you are smarter then us...
Quoting quandary121
All well explained and most debunked as false. Especially the firefighters commentary, which was taken out of context.
they used explosives ,all photo evidence of the site after the collapse ,the distinctive shape of metal cuts plus heat sources taken by cameras prove the use of the explosive, also squibs shown as the towers collapse prove the use of explosives,dogs used before 9/11 to sniff out explosives were withdrawn upto 2 months earlier ,reports on the ground and recordings from eyewitness firemen report explosions in the basement need i say more
Quoting quandary121
Really? Please explain how.
The speed of the collapses was at near free fall speed. This violates the law of conservation of momentum
Quote:
Really? That's news to the local Fire dept. WSI Limited (A Waste Disposal company) and the Port of Los Angeles which has reported several container fires that resulted in the melting of the shipping container. Filled with mere paper products.
The fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse
Quote:
Really? You mean aviation feul doesn't burn hot? It doesn't start secondary fires? Really? You mean the WTC was not a revolutionary new building design? One that incorporated all new, and only used in one other structure to date, structural designs?
The fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several steel-frame buildings that did not collapse.
Quote:
Really? You mean all the photo's that were taken by bystanders, journalists and investigators alike and all the samples held by more then half a dozen labs really don't exist?
The steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives.
Wow, you are right, you are smarter then us...
June 14th, 2008, 10:46 AM
Do you know how det, primacord or Thermite cuts steel? Or the tell tale marks it leaves behind?
Those marks in the last photo, which is just a close up of the first, indicate an oxy/acetylene torch cut. Not any of the other materials I listed. All of which, I have experience with. From being ex Army to having worked in mining.
Keep them coming. We've debunked them all. Many times and for so many CT's.
Quoting quandary121
the cuts shape proves demolition also notice the molten metal around the cut.!
more cuts.!!!!
a close up of the cut and molten metal
Need some inpurical data here. When were these pictures taken and by whom?the cuts shape proves demolition also notice the molten metal around the cut.!
more cuts.!!!!
a close up of the cut and molten metal
Do you know how det, primacord or Thermite cuts steel? Or the tell tale marks it leaves behind?
Those marks in the last photo, which is just a close up of the first, indicate an oxy/acetylene torch cut. Not any of the other materials I listed. All of which, I have experience with. From being ex Army to having worked in mining.
Keep them coming. We've debunked them all. Many times and for so many CT's.
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 6,191
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
June 14th, 2008, 10:50 AM
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us...nk-9-11-a.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us...-collapse.html
Archives are brimming ....
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us...nk-9-11-a.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us...-collapse.html
Archives are brimming ....
Time Out
Posts: 2,948
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
June 14th, 2008, 10:51 AM
Quoting CDNBear
All well explained and most debunked as false. Especially the firefighters commentary, which was taken out of context.
Really? Please explain how.
Really? That's news to the local Fire dept. WSI Limited (A Waste Disposal company) and the Port of Los Angeles which has reported several container fires that resulted in the melting of the shipping container. Filled with mere paper products.
Really? You mean aviation feul doesn't burn hot? It doesn't start secondary fires? Really? You mean the WTC was not a revolutionary new building design? One that incorporated all new, and only used in one other structure to date, structural designs?
Really? You mean all the photo's that were taken by bystanders, journalists and investigators alike and all the samples held by more then half a dozen labs really don't exist?
Wow, you are right, you are smarter then us...
Really? Please explain how.
Really? That's news to the local Fire dept. WSI Limited (A Waste Disposal company) and the Port of Los Angeles which has reported several container fires that resulted in the melting of the shipping container. Filled with mere paper products.
Really? You mean aviation feul doesn't burn hot? It doesn't start secondary fires? Really? You mean the WTC was not a revolutionary new building design? One that incorporated all new, and only used in one other structure to date, structural designs?
Really? You mean all the photo's that were taken by bystanders, journalists and investigators alike and all the samples held by more then half a dozen labs really don't exist?
Wow, you are right, you are smarter then us...
Quote:
so you say where's you evidence to support your allegations ,seeing as you want me to provide mine its quite easy to say its been debunked by who you ha.!!!!
All well explained and most debunked as false. Especially the firefighters commentary, which was taken out of context.
Quote:
the pancake ideas does not stand up the collapse timed by others proves free fall
Really? Please explain how.
Quote:
this is not a building if you had not noticed dumb or what.!!!!
That's news to the local Fire dept. WSI Limited (A Waste Disposal company) and the Port of Los Angeles which has reported several container fires that resulted in the melting of the shipping container. Filled with mere paper products.
Quote:
guys who made the towers the architects for sore the ideas of planes hitting the towers and made provisions against such a collapse happening
You mean the WTC was not a revolutionary new building design? One that incorporated all new, and only used in one other structure to date, structural designs
Quote:
i posted some fool
You mean all the photo's that were taken by bystanders, journalists and investigators alike and all the samples held by more then half a dozen labs really don't exist
Time Out
Posts: 2,948
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
June 14th, 2008, 11:03 AM
so you say you have not shown me any you just keep winging on and on but expect me to back up every thing i say
Oh look big bits of concrete and metal being blown far and wide
Quoting CDNBear
Need some inpurical data here. When were these pictures taken and by whom?
Do you know how det, primacord or Thermite cuts steel? Or the tell tale marks it leaves behind?
Those marks in the last photo, which is just a close up of the first, indicate an oxy/acetylene torch cut. Not any of the other materials I listed. All of which, I have experience with. From being ex Arny to having worked in mining.
Keep them coming. We've debunked them all. Many times and for so many CT's.
Do you know how det, primacord or Thermite cuts steel? Or the tell tale marks it leaves behind?
Those marks in the last photo, which is just a close up of the first, indicate an oxy/acetylene torch cut. Not any of the other materials I listed. All of which, I have experience with. From being ex Arny to having worked in mining.
Keep them coming. We've debunked them all. Many times and for so many CT's.
Quote:
yes ive seen demonstrations of explosives and how they prepare beforhand
Do you know how det, primacord or Thermite cuts steel? Or the tell tale marks it leaves behind?
Quote:
they could also be made by Thermite just saying that you can do the same with a torch proves nothing
Those marks in the last photo, which is just a close up of the first, indicate an oxy/acetylene torch cut. Not any of the other materials I listed. All of which, I have experience with. From being ex Arny to having worked in mining.
Quote:
do your own research im not you poodle
Need some inpurical data here. When were these pictures taken and by whom?
Quote:
[/quote]
Keep them coming. We've debunked them all. Many times and for so many CT's.
so you say you have not shown me any you just keep winging on and on but expect me to back up every thing i say
Oh look big bits of concrete and metal being blown far and wide
Time Out
Posts: 2,948
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
June 14th, 2008, 11:07 AM
most of the aviation fuel would have been burnt up within minutes of the hit dark clouds prove the fact, as footage of the planes indicates that it did so
most of the aviation fuel would have been burnt up within minutes of the hit dark clouds prove the fact, as footage of the planes indicates that it did so
Hall of Fame Member
Posts: 10,505
Location: The Evil Empire
Location: The Evil Empire
June 14th, 2008, 11:11 AM
You need to elaborate on this one fairly well because I tell you they did not fall at near free fall speed.
Show me another building that had the same exo skeletal design that the WTC had, and caught fire since. You are comparing apples to oranges when you are not taking under consideration similar design methods.
They were big enough for people to plunge to their deaths rather than face the fire within, and fires were raging from impact to collapse.
That’s an outright lie. I was part of the cleanup effort days after the events. Truckloads of steel was hauled off by trucks, taken to a nearby pier on the west side where they were loade don barges and shipped to Staten Island, JFK airport hangars and in New Jersey. Nobody touched anything until 18 months later, and still, much of it remains in hangars.
Tell me how much thermite is needed to cause such an explosion/cut. Your answer has to be in TONS and VOLUME.
Quoting quandary121
That is your opinion, we’re trying to have a conversation to figure this out. they used explosives
Quoting quandary121
The photo “evidence” you have presented is definitely not immediately after the collapse. For two days there was debris in the air that darkened the sunlight over Ground Zero, as you can see in your photos, the sun is shining. What is the exact date of the photos you presented? Is it the day after? Is it 3 months later? We need some sort of timeline otherwise it the pictures could have been taken 6 months later for all we know. Firefighters were there up until 11 months later. all photo evidence of the site after the collapse ,the distinctive shape of metal cuts plus heat sources taken by cameras prove the use of the explosive, also squibs shown as the towers collapse prove the use of explosives,
Quoting quandary121
Yes, you have to substantiate this claim. Dogs sniffing explosives was a daily event at the WTC since 1993. Security patrolling the towers was evident up until 3 days earlier when I had breakfast in the promenade. Please elaborate. dogs used before 9/11 to sniff out explosives were withdrawn upto 2 months earlier ,reports on the ground and recordings from eyewitness firemen report explosions in the basement need i say more
Quoting quandary121
The speed of the collapses was at near free fall speed. This violates the law of conservation of momentum
You need to elaborate on this one fairly well because I tell you they did not fall at near free fall speed.
Quoting quandary121
The fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse
Show me another building that had the same exo skeletal design that the WTC had, and caught fire since. You are comparing apples to oranges when you are not taking under consideration similar design methods.
Quoting quandary121
The fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several steel-frame buildings that did not collapse.
They were big enough for people to plunge to their deaths rather than face the fire within, and fires were raging from impact to collapse.
Quoting quandary121
The steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives.
That’s an outright lie. I was part of the cleanup effort days after the events. Truckloads of steel was hauled off by trucks, taken to a nearby pier on the west side where they were loade don barges and shipped to Staten Island, JFK airport hangars and in New Jersey. Nobody touched anything until 18 months later, and still, much of it remains in hangars.
Quoting quandary121
the use of thermite provides a credible explanation for the fires, hot spots and molten steel and why they removed the evidence as sulfer evidence would have been shown to be present ,the fact that concrete turned to dust also explicitly shows the use of explosives, bits of concrete and metal being thrown in the air during the collapse proves the use of explosives.!!!
Tell me how much thermite is needed to cause such an explosion/cut. Your answer has to be in TONS and VOLUME.
Time Out
Posts: 2,948
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
Videos: 3
Location: lincolnshire
June 14th, 2008, 11:20 AM
this is six weeks later. As we get closer to the center of this it gets hotter and hotter - it's probably 1500 degrees."
In perfect conditions the maximum temperature that can be reached by hydrocarbons such as jet fuel burning in air is 1520 F (825 C). When the World Trade Center collapsed the deeply buried fires would have been deprived of oxygen and their temperatures would have significantly decreased.
Why was the temperature at the core of "the pile" nearly 5000 F hotter than the maximum burning temperature of jet fuel a full seven days after the collapses?
this is six weeks later. As we get closer to the center of this it gets hotter and hotter - it's probably 1500 degrees."
In perfect conditions the maximum temperature that can be reached by hydrocarbons such as jet fuel burning in air is 1520 F (825 C). When the World Trade Center collapsed the deeply buried fires would have been deprived of oxygen and their temperatures would have significantly decreased.
Why was the temperature at the core of "the pile" nearly 5000 F hotter than the maximum burning temperature of jet fuel a full seven days after the collapses?
