Global capitalism and 21st century fascism

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Global capitalism and 21st century fascism
The global economic crisis and the attack on immigrant rights are bound together in a web of 21st century fascism.






The TCC has unloaded billions of dollars into food, energy and other global commodities in bond markets worldwide [GALLO/GETTY]

The crisis of global capitalism is unprecedented, given its magnitude, its global reach, the extent of ecological degradation and social deterioration, and the scale of the means of violence. We truly face a crisis of humanity. The stakes have never been higher; our very survival is at risk. We have entered into a period of great upheavals and uncertainties, of momentous changes, fraught with dangers - if also opportunities.


Global capitalism and 21st century fascism - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
 

Angstrom

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To make a long story short. The only way to stop this is if every Middle class Citizen go's out and loans 25 000 $ with no intention to ever pay it back?
 

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The counterweight to 21st century fascism must be a coordinated fight-back by the global working class. The only real solution to the crisis of global capitalism is a massive redistribution of wealth and power - downward towards the poor majority of humanity. And the only way such redistribution can come about is through mass transnational struggle from below.
 

captain morgan

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I thought that you were moving to Greece to bask in the socialist utopia you crave.


The counterweight to 21st century fascism must be a coordinated fight-back by the global working class. The only real solution to the crisis of global capitalism is a massive redistribution of wealth and power - downward towards the poor majority of humanity. And the only way such redistribution can come about is through mass transnational struggle from below.


Funny... How long will it take for the poor masses with their newly redistributed wealth to spend it on cars, iPods and cell phones? The cash will end yup right back in the pockets of those that "do".
 

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Funny... How long will it take for the poor masses with their newly redistributed wealth to spend it on cars, iPods and cell phones? The cash will end yup right back in the pockets of those that "do".


I think fundamentally the problem can be linked in part to our inability to Save money for ourselves.
That it be cause, price of living is to high to, just over consuming, instead of saving and investing.
 

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To make a long story short. The only way to stop this is if every Middle class Citizen go's out and loans 25 000 $ with no intention to ever pay it back?
There is actually another way to make a big hit if my research is correct.

The laws surrounding contracts, such as loans and mortgages, to have certain elements to be considered valid. The most important element is 'valuable consideration' which basically means both parties exchange something of value to them and that is why when you transfer ownership of homes between spouses there has to be an amount (usually$1). Now when you go and borrow money or take a mortgage you are giving VC to the lender in the form of your promise to pay, but what are they really giving you? If you understand fractional reserve banking you know that they do not go into the vault and give you money from their stash. They create an entry on their ledger assigning your promise to pay a value and then balance this entry by giving you the money. They literally create the money they give you from your signature, Your agreement is the credit to their ledger and them putting the money in your account or sending funds to your lawyer for dispersal in a mortgage is the debit. Based upon this I have to determine that the bank gives you nothing of value to them therefore do not live up to the CV part of the contract. There is a case from Minnesota I am researching where the defendant in a foreclosure used this argument and won.

Now if this can be made to work even once in a court in Canada you have a precedent that nullifies every bank loan and mortgage in the country in one fell swoop. We would all own our homes and cars and such outright with no obligation to pay the loans used to purchase them. Ther would of course be the exception of private lenders who actually take money from an account and loan it thereby actually giving VC on their side but every institution under the bank act would basically go belly up overnight and most of the wealth of our country would return to the people instantly.
 

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There is actually another way to make a big hit if my research is correct.

The laws surrounding contracts, such as loans and mortgages, to have certain elements to be considered valid. The most important element is 'valuable consideration' which basically means both parties exchange something of value to them and that is why when you transfer ownership of homes between spouses there has to be an amount (usually$1). Now when you go and borrow money or take a mortgage you are giving VC to the lender in the form of your promise to pay, but what are they really giving you? If you understand fractional reserve banking you know that they do not go into the vault and give you money from their stash. They create an entry on their ledger assigning your promise to pay a value and then balance this entry by giving you the money. They literally create the money they give you from your signature, Your agreement is the credit to their ledger and them putting the money in your account or sending funds to your lawyer for dispersal in a mortgage is the debit. Based upon this I have to determine that the bank gives you nothing of value to them therefore do not live up to the CV part of the contract. There is a case from Minnesota I am researching where the defendant in a foreclosure used this argument and won.

Now if this can be made to work even once in a court in Canada you have a precedent that nullifies every bank loan and mortgage in the country in one fell swoop. We would all own our homes and cars and such outright with no obligation to pay the loans used to purchase them. Ther would of course be the exception of private lenders who actually take money from an account and loan it thereby actually giving VC on their side but every institution under the bank act would basically go belly up overnight and most of the wealth of our country would return to the people instantly.
You are correct but it is difficult for most people to grasp the reality of that concept. Most people actually believe that there is some intrinsic value to fiat currency and can't comprehend how money is created out of thin air through the fractional reserve system. When this phoney system is the only one they know, it would be very difficult to develop a system that allows people to retain their wealth. I know there are people working hard to design such a system, but those that control the present one will do ANYTHING to maintain their control, including "suiciding" anybody who threatens their delusional sense of power.
 

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I think fundamentally the problem can be linked in part to our inability to Save money for ourselves.
That it be cause, price of living is to high to, just over consuming, instead of saving and investing.

I agree with this principle, but it's difficult to put an idea to what is an appropriate level of consumption. If we can't be a bit more specific on this quantum, then you'll have the same douchebags yelling at you for owning and typing on a computer, lol.

The way I like to look at it is in terms of 'vacations'. If every single person was able to afford a lavish, 2 week vacation per year, then we would have a sustainable economy (as well as a much happier nation). :)
 
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There is actually another way to make a big hit if my research is correct.
It isn't. There must be, at the end of the day, an actual cash value transfer. Canadian banks do not create money out of thin air.

You are correct but it is difficult for most people to grasp the reality of that concept.
He isn't correct, and it's easy to grasp reality, when one so chooses to do a little reading of financial laws and Canadian banking regulations.

Most people actually believe that there is some intrinsic value to fiat currency and can't comprehend how money is created out of thin air through the fractional reserve system.
Does gold have a value? Does the property you own? Value is created by peoples perception.

A simple example is, that used car for sale in someones driveway. More often than not, it holds greater value to the person that owns it, rather than to the person wishing to purchase it.

Value in general, is artificial. Fiat currency, is no exception. It is worth whatever peoples perception of it is.

If we can't be a bit more specific on this quantum, then you'll have the same douchebags yelling at you for owning and typing on a computer, lol.
Or even worse, douche bags that just make up lies, or give out 'thumbs down' when they can't formulate a reasoned response.
 
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It isn't. There must be, at the end of the day, an actual cash value transfer. Canadian banks do not create money out of thin air.


No doubt. Nick forgot to recognize that the 'homeowner' was paid and this person can now exchange those funds to purchase something else. The debit/credit references are merely accounting entries that track the exchanges and record keeping of teh actual asset(s).

Further, there is another solution... One can trade their efforts, ideas or products for currency, gold or 2 chickens and a jar of preserves for all I care. In the end, the solution to subsidize everyone will result in failure, the endless, massive and longterm injection of capital subsidies to many 3rd world nations is proof of such.
 

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Would regulating Banks to offer stronger opportunity's in the saving and investment sector for normal people, not be a good move for our economy? Especially with our Boom/bust American friends. A small scale product for people with a amazing interest rate and totally safe. I know the housing market is basically supposed to do that job but I don't feel its enough.

I see the system right now as, where the big guy screws the smaller guy under him, and he then follows to screw the one under him all the way down. When it gets to the working class who do they screw? there kids o.0?

There has to be a way for the Middle class guy to screw the one thats back on top. the bank.
Or we get this situation we are faced with now, where Rich get richer and Poor get poorer

It would maybe explain why some people right now are drowning in debt.
 
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It isn't. There must be, at the end of the day, an actual cash value transfer. Canadian banks do not create money out of thin air.

Obviously you have no idea of fractional reserve banking. In Canada we have a zero reserve in effect. Banks do create the money they lend from thin air! Actually it is the stroke of a pen (when you sign) and a few keystokes on their computer.

Don't tell me you really believe when a bank loans out say $500k for a mortgage they take that from some reserve of cash or go exchange some gold bullion for cash and then give it to you. They create it from the signed agreement to pay by entering that as a credit on their ledger using GAAP and then debit against the credit entry.

I didn't go to uni for 4 years studying economics and finance to be wrong about this. Private lenders are different and can only lend what they have but every institution under the bank act uses fractional reserve lending.
 

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Value and worth are being confused. Bank notes have value but are worth nothing. Coins have both value and worth.
 

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The counterweight to 21st century fascism must be a coordinated fight-back by the global working class. The only real solution to the crisis of global capitalism is a massive redistribution of wealth and power - downward towards the poor majority of humanity. And the only way such redistribution can come about is through mass transnational struggle from below.


What was your income last year, CuBert?

Was it $28,000 Canadian??

If so, you are in the top 10 percent of income earners in the world.

Global Rich List

YOU are part of the problem.

And how much money did you give to international aid agencies last year??????

Hmmmmmmmm????????

Let me guess....like so many of the oh-so-concerned left......ZILTCH, Zip, nada, nothing, sfa, ............

Tell me if I'm wrong.
 

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if you donated just one hour's salary (approx $83.77 - UK estimate).

All you have to do is make a choice.

$8 could buy you 15 organic apples OR 25 fruit trees for farmers in Honduras to grow and sell fruit at their local market.

$30 could buy you an ER DVD Boxset OR a First Aid kit for a village in Haiti.

$73 could buy you a new mobile phone OR a new mobile health clinic to care for AIDS orphans in Uganda.

$2400 could buy you a second generation High Definition TV OR schooling for an entire generation of school children in an Angolan village.


I dumped a bunch of money into a local church charity that built a school in Guatemala. My kid went down twice and the wife and I went down with her to help complete on the second trip.

I don't go for the Christian thing too much but these ones don't push any beliefs beyond what Catholics who have been running missions for ages so I didn't mind.

http://www.missionimpact.com/
 
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What was your income last year, CuBert?

Was it $28,000 Canadian??

If so, you are in the top 10 percent of income earners in the world.


Tell me if I'm wrong.



If you make 25K as the top 10% most rich but need to pay 35K in cost of living?
 

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He did mention you need to make 28K in UK moolah.

Wrong......you can list it in any denomination, just click on the arrow by the UK pound symbol and it drops a list for you to choose from.

The $28,000 is in Canadian dollars. I played a bit to find the 90% mark.......
 

Angstrom

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Wrong......you can list it in any denomination, just click on the arrow by the UK pound symbol and it drops a list for you to choose from.

The $28,000 is in Canadian dollars. I played a bit to find the 90% mark.......



I'm happy to know i'm part of the richest people on this planet.

Now I just need to figuer out how to get those guys out of my pockets

 
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By Matt Taibbi
May 11, 2011 9:30 AM ET
They weren't murderers or anything; they had merely stolen more money than most people can rationally conceive of, from their own customers, in a few blinks of an eye. But then they went one step further. They came to Washington, took an oath before Congress, and lied about it.

Thanks to an extraordinary investigative effort by a Senate subcommittee that unilaterally decided to take up the burden the criminal justice system has repeatedly refused to shoulder, we now know exactly what Goldman Sachs executives like Lloyd Blankfein and Daniel Sparks lied about. We know exactly how they and other top Goldman executives, including David Viniar and Thomas Montag, defrauded their clients. America has been waiting for a case to bring against Wall Street. Here it is, and the evidence has been gift-wrapped and left at the doorstep of federal prosecutors, evidence that doesn't leave much doubt: Goldman Sachs should stand trial.

This article appears in the May 26, 2011 issue of Rolling Stone. The issue is available now on newsstands and will appear in the online archive May 13.

The great and powerful Oz of Wall Street was not the only target of Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse, the 650-page report just released by the Senate Subcommittee on Investigations, chaired by Democrat Carl Levin of Michigan, alongside Republican Tom Coburn of Oklahoma. Their unusually scathing bipartisan report also includes case studies of Washington Mutual and Deutsche Bank, providing a panoramic portrait of a bubble era that produced the most destructive crime spree in our history — "a million fraud cases a year" is how one former regulator puts it. But the mountain of evidence collected against Goldman by Levin's small, 15-desk office of investigators — details of gross, baldfaced fraud delivered up in such quantities as to almost serve as a kind of sarcastic challenge to the curiously impassive Justice Department — stands as the most important symbol of Wall Street's aristocratic impunity and prosecutorial immunity produced since the crash of 2008.

Photo Gallery: How Goldman top dogs defrauded their clients and lied to Congress
To date, there has been only one successful prosecution of a financial big fish from the mortgage bubble, and that was Lee Farkas, a Florida lender who was just convicted on a smorgasbord of fraud charges and now faces life in prison. But Farkas, sadly, is just an exception proving the rule: Like Bernie Madoff, his comically excessive crime spree (which involved such lunacies as kiting checks to his own bank and selling loans that didn't exist) was almost completely unconnected to the systematic corruption that led to the crisis. What's more, many of the earlier criminals in the chain of corruption — from subprime lenders like Countrywide, who herded old ladies and ghetto families into bad loans, to rapacious banks like Washington Mutual, who pawned off fraudulent mortgages on investors — wound up going belly up, sunk by their own greed.

Read Matt Taibbi on Goldman Sachs, the 'great vampire squid'
But Goldman, as the Levin report makes clear, remains an ascendant company precisely because it used its canny perception of an upcoming disaster (one which it helped create, incidentally) as an opportunity to enrich itself, not only at the expense of clients but ultimately, through the bailouts and the collateral damage of the wrecked economy, at the expense of society. The bank seemed to count on the unwillingness or inability of federal regulators to stop them — and when called to Washington last year to explain their behavior, Goldman executives brazenly misled Congress, apparently confident that their perjury would carry no serious consequences. Thus, while much of the Levin report describes past history, the Goldman section describes an ongoing? crime — a powerful, well-connected firm, with the ear of the president and the Treasury, that appears to have conquered the entire regulatory structure and stands now on the precipice of officially getting away with one of the biggest financial crimes in history.

Read Taibbi's 2010 piece on how bailed-out banks are recreating the conditions for a crash
Defenders of Goldman have been quick to insist that while the bank may have had a few ethical slips here and there, its only real offense was being too good at making money. We now know, unequivocally, that this is bull****. Goldman isn't a pudgy housewife who broke her diet with a few Nilla Wafers between meals — it's an advanced-stage, 1,100-pound medical emergency who hasn't left his apartment in six years, and is found by paramedics buried up to his eyes in cupcake wrappers and pizza boxes. If the evidence in the Levin report is ignored, then Goldman will have achieved a kind of corrupt-enterprise nirvana. Caught, but still free: above the law.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

I dumped a bunch of money into a local church charity that built a school in Guatemala. My kid went down twice and the wife and I went down with her to help complete on the second trip.

I don't go for the Christian thing too much but these ones don't push any beliefs beyond what Catholics who have been running missions for ages so I didn't mind.

http://www.missionimpact.com/

Did it have a lunch kitchen?

There's ways to spin off business and training if schools have good lunch kitchens.