Haiti,lets discuss it civilly


Kakato
+1
#1  Top Rated Post
These disasters bring out the best and the worst of people but I like to focus on the good and the positives.
Watching the coverage on TV today was heartwrenching and it looks like lots are doing what they can to help.
I truly share their pain and wish I could do more.
This global outpouring of relief shows that this world still has people that have faith in this big ball and us peeps that inhabitate it.

I just wanted to start a thread that deals with this tragedy alone and not partisan politics so we can all keep up to date on whats going on there.

Numbers to reach loved ones can be posted here or other pertinent info and if a mod can make this a sticky so it doesnt get buried that would be good to.

Thoughts?
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
#2
Done. It is currently Sticky.

This will not keep this Thread at the top of the front page though, but it will
keep it at the top of the sub-forum (Hot Topics) that is was posted in.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; Jan 14th, 2010 at 11:03 PM..
 
Kakato
#3
Quote:

Earthquake in Haiti

World Vision is on the ground right now in the Haitian city of Port-Au-Prince, helping families and children devastated by the 7.0-magnitude earthquake Tuesday afternoon. Your donations are vital to the relief efforts and are needed today.

Every dollar makes a difference and now if you give a donation to the Haiti Earthquake victims through World Vision, by February 12th, it will double in impact due to a generous contribution from the Canadian Government.

With an international response team flying in from around the globe to assist, our relief efforts are underway. World Vision Haiti is now distributing emergency supplies to families and children struggling to deal with this catastrophic disaster.

World Vision has been working in Haiti for over 30 years, helping an estimate 300,000 Haitians each year to overcome poverty through providing access to education, improved access to food and clean water and improved nutrition as well as helping families with improved medical care. Now, more than ever, your help is needed to help families in Haiti and let them know they are not alone in this emergency.

Earthquake in Haiti
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#4
I've been thinking the past couple of days that if every citizen in Canada who feels they are better off than the average would just send $20 to REd Cross that would amount to over $300 million. So folks if you have enough to eat, a warm dry bed and clothes on your back (and a change in the drawer) send $20. It takes 5 minutes to do on line.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#5
Transfer some troops from Afghanistan to Haiti. Not today but once all the criterias and needs are sorted out.
 
earth_as_one
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I've been thinking the past couple of days that if every citizen in Canada who feels they are better off than the average would just send $20 to REd Cross that would amount to over $300 million. So folks if you have enough to eat, a warm dry bed and clothes on your back (and a change in the drawer) send $20. It takes 5 minutes to do on line.

I agree. But beware... disasters bring out the best and worst in people. Make sure you donate to reputable organizations. Some bogus charities will attempt to take advantage, which doesn't help Haitians.

With a disaster on this scale, economies of scale are more efficient than smaller organizations. The biggest are:
Canadian Red Cross, Doctors without borders and World Vision,...

CBC:
Haitian contacts, relief efforts
CBC News - Canada - Haitian contacts, relief efforts

Don't forget to get a receipt and claim on your donation on your income tax.
 
talloola
No Party Affiliation
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

These disasters bring out the best and the worst of people but I like to focus on the good and the positives.
Watching the coverage on TV today was heartwrenching and it looks like lots are doing what they can to help.
I truly share their pain and wish I could do more.
This global outpouring of relief shows that this world still has people that have faith in this big ball and us peeps that inhabitate it.

I just wanted to start a thread that deals with this tragedy alone and not partisan politics so we can all keep up to date on whats going on there.

Numbers to reach loved ones can be posted here or other pertinent info and if a mod can make this a sticky so it doesnt get buried that would be good to.

Thoughts?

well said, our family is pooling together a donation, it
will go through world vision.
 
mt_pockets1000
#8
Tremendous effort around the world and right here at home to get aid to the Haitian people. The pictures coming out of Port-au-Prince are heartbreaking. Hang in there, we're coming to help.
 
talloola
No Party Affiliation
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by mt_pockets1000View Post

Tremendous effort around the world and right here at home to get aid to the Haitian people. The pictures coming out of Port-au-Prince are heartbreaking. Hang in there, we're coming to help.

yes we are, I watched anderson cooper for a little while
today, but couldn't endure it, too sad, and we can't possibly comprehend what those poor people are going through.

We must get it through our heads that we could be in the
same position some day, yes it could be a reality.
Gather together your earthquake kits now, store them
in a good place, along with water, change it now and then,
for fresh water, and hope you will never need it.
 
mt_pockets1000
#10
Good advice Talloola. Let's hope that day never comes.
 
spaminator
#11
if voodoo is a real phenomenom, i hope the haitian voodoo knowledge was lost in the earthquake.

 
vinod1975
#12
For Disaster like if zero chance (STORMS , TSUNAMI , EARTHQUAKES on 7 + Scale) to survive or very less then you should have free communication channel connections and links to VSAT - TWO WAY and offcourse control of same should be in other side of earth plate HF Radio is also good sometimes

As Latency is very less around 600 - 900 MS

Generators , Fuel and Food or a safe place like shown something in 2012 movie
 
mt_pockets1000
#13
On CBC Edmonton this morning a man from this area was talking about being on a United Nations emergency preparedness team. He has a number of sniffer dogs that are called upon to help with rescue operations in disaster areas around the world. Within 1/2 hour of the quake in Haiti he was contacted and asked to be ready to mobilize at a moments notice.
 
TenPenny
#14
I noticed in our local paper that a local oil company has a full page ad with contact info for the Red Cross and others for people to donate to, and they are matching employee contributions dollar for dollar, as well as an additional $50,000.

Some people spend their energy whining and complaining, others just step up to the plate and do something useful. We need more of the latter, and less of the fewer.
 
Kakato
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

I noticed in our local paper that a local oil company has a full page ad with contact info for the Red Cross and others for people to donate to, and they are matching employee contributions dollar for dollar, as well as an additional $50,000.

Some people spend their energy whining and complaining, others just step up to the plate and do something useful. We need more of the latter, and less of the fewer.

I see First air's 2 hercs on the airstrip there this morning so thats good news.
Those are what most of Nunavut uses to resupply the territory in winter so thats quite a sacrifice pulling them out and sending them there.
First Air planes join Haiti relief (external - login to view)
Last edited by Kakato; Jan 15th, 2010 at 08:18 AM..
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#16
There is no need to complain about anything yet, people are doing the best they can. Best thing you do is donate money, whatever you can afford to Haiti, it will take them years to recover. Keep in mind that in 6-7 more months they will be in hurricane season again.

 
Kakato
#17
Canadian safe after texting from Haitian rubble

Reuters US Online Report Internet News | 2010-01-13 22:15:47
OTTAWA (external - login to view) (Reuters (external - login to view)) - A Canadian woman who was trapped under rubble in quake-stricken Haiti (external - login to view) appeared to have been rescued on Wednesday after she texted Ottawa for help.
The woman managed to use her cellphone or hand-held device to send the text message, which was received by the Foreign Affairs Department in Ottawa, nearly 3,000 km (1,900 miles) away. It was relayed to Canadian diplomats back in Haiti, who rushed to provide assistance.
Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon (external - login to view)'s office later said it understood she was "safe" but declined to provide details.
Officials were still searching for two of the 82 Canadian police officers who are part of a U.N. (external - login to view) force in the impoverished country, including the acting police commissioner for the force, Supt. Doug Coates (external - login to view). His office was in the U.N. building that collapsed.
Canada (external - login to view)'s Haitian-born governor general, Michaelle Jean (external - login to view), broke down in tears as she reflected on the devastation to her native country.
Jean is the representative of Queen Elizabeth (external - login to view), Canada's head of state, and said the situation in Haiti had monopolized her attention since the earthquake struck on Tuesday.
"The images and news reports are unbearable to watch -- so much distress, suffering and loss," she told reporters after attending a briefing session with Prime Minister Stephen Harper (external - login to view).
Harper and Jean were told the Canadian Forces (external - login to view) were in the process of arranging for ships, helicopters and relief equipment to be sent to Haiti.
A 20-strong military reconnaissance team was already flying in on Wednesday and the military's Disaster Assistance Response Team was being readied to be sent as soon as the advance group says exactly what is needed.
Transport aircraft will fly in three rescue helicopters on Thursday. The destroyer HMCS Athabaskan and the frigate HMCS Halifax and 500 service personnel will also depart Nova Scotia (external - login to view) on Thursday with another helicopter, with the emphasis on providing light engineering and medical help.
Canada has a large Haitian population, and Haiti is the largest recipient in the Americas of Canadian aid. Ottawa has allocated an initial C$5 million ($4.9 million) for emergency relief.
 
Johnnny
#18
there saying the gangs and all the escaped immates might be a problem... Sounds like its just going to get crazier there
 
earth_as_one
#19
Reports of looting and robberies are coming in. A UN warehouse has been ransacked. Meanwhile watch out for internet scams. Reports of internet scams and emails appearing like legitimate charities have become rampant.

If you choose to donate, please go to the charities website or call them by their 1-800 number.
 
TenPenny
#20
I see that the NB mountie was found, dead.

But one little tragedy in a horrendous mess.
 
Kakato
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

I see that the NB mountie was found, dead.

But one little tragedy in a horrendous mess.

4 Canadians confirmed dead and over 1000 missing.
 
earth_as_one
#22
I have enough on other strings to know some people are misinformed about the level of US charity. I don't care for many things the US does internationally, but they are the world leader in humanitarian aid and disaster relief for Haiti. Not just now, but for years...

Quote:

...President Barack Obama promised at least $100 million in earthquake aid. That comes on top of substantial spending by the United States in Haiti in recent years for economic development, such as the country's textile industry, humanitarian assistance, environmental programs, and law enforcement, including trying to stop the use of Haiti as a pass-through point for narcotics en route to the United States.

Apart from earthquake relief, senators working on the next annual foreign assistance budget have proposed at least $282 million for Haiti; the House proposal would provide at least $165 million.


Much of the U.S. government's aid to Haiti comes through the U.S. Agency for International Development, which has provided at least $800 million from budget years 2004 through 2008, agency figures show....


The Canadian Press: As donors worldwide open wallets to help Haiti, following the money will be a challenge (external - login to view)


In comparison, the Canadian government has only pledged $5M so far. That would make the US government about twice as generous per capita as the Canadian government, as they have about 10x's our population.


US foreign policy can be legitimately criticized in areas, but not when it comes to their level of aid to Haiti.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#23
UN has been around for 60 years and I think 2010 would be a good time for them to do something useful. I think a universal building code should be established. NOw I understand there would have to be some flexibility to account for local conditions. All building world wide from now on should meet certain codes. A possible exception would be igloos.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I have enough on other strings to know some people are misinformed about the level of US charity. I don't care for many things the US does internationally, but they are the world leader in humanitarian aid and disaster relief for Haiti. Not just now, but for years...




In comparison, the Canadian government has only pledged $5M so far. That would make the US government about twice as generous per capita as the Canadian government, as they have about 10x's our population.


US foreign policy can be legitimately criticized in areas, but not when it comes to their level of aid to Haiti.

When it comes to charity, it's in bad form to be criticising the amount donated. Charity is a personal thing and as long as everyone does the best they can that's what matters. Does the $5 million contributed so far preclude us from making further donations? Didn't Harper say he'd match personal contributions up to $50 million? These are early days. Money is not the only contribution being made. No need to stir up trouble on a matter like this.
 
Risus
#25
What is it with those people?? They complain that aid is not arriving fast enough so they make roadblocks with corpses to slow things down even more. Makes you wonder if the effort is even worth while.
Last edited by Risus; Jan 15th, 2010 at 10:37 AM..
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#26
Canada's contribution so far:

Canada pledges $555 million in aid to Haiti


Source: Reuters



I don't know if this includes the aircraft and the navy ships that left a few days ago. There were a couple Canadian C-17s in Haiti a couple days ago.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

What is it with those people?? They complain that aid is not arriving fast enough so the make roadblocks with corpses to slow things down even more. Makes you wonder if the effort is even worth while.

When most people consider this situation for more than about 2 seconds they realize it's a situation that is beyond their control.
 
YukonJack
Conservative
#28
"Canada pledges $555 million in aid to Haiti "

Didn't you miss a decimal point somewhere?
 
MHz
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

What is it with those people?? They complain that aid is not arriving fast enough so they make roadblocks with corpses to slow things down even more. Makes you wonder if the effort is even worth while.

Perhaps they were hoping the ones with the trucks and loaders could drop off food and water and pick up the rotting flesh for proper disposal (at sea) while they went back to carry more out for pick-up. Did you consider this ?
 
YukonJack
Conservative
#30
You say that Canada pledged over half a BILLION dollars? Get real!
Last edited by Ron in Regina; Jan 15th, 2010 at 03:23 PM..
 

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