Why They Hate Us

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[FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]by [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]Sheldon Richman[/FONT], [FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]June 27, 2007[/FONT]

[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]What’s more obnoxious than a person who constantly whines about the injustices committed against him while ignoring his own injustices against others?
A country that does the same thing.
We often hear American politicians and commentators reciting a list of “terrorist” acts committed against the “United States.” It typically includes the 1982 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, the 1996 bombing of U.S. Air Force housing in Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in the port of Aden in Yemen. Reciting this string of attacks supposedly demonstrates, without further argument, that the United States has been the major victim of violence on the world stage — unprovoked violence perpetrated by “Islamofascists” because we are free. Indeed, it is widely believed that the attacks on September 11, 2001, were in part the result of “our” failure to retaliate for the earlier attacks.
But this is sheer balderdash. The attacks, while often criminally misdirected, were hardly unprovoked.
The last century-plus of U.S. foreign policy has largely been a story of aggression and empire-building. American presidents have intervened and interfered in every region of the world, not in self-defense, but in the name of U.S. “national interest,” which in reality means the interest of well-connected corporations and their ambitious political agents who felt appointed to bring order to the world. As a whole, the American people haven’t gained by this — in fact, they have paid dearly in money and lives. But not as dearly as those on the receiving end of that policy. For all the pious moralizing about democracy and human rights, American foreign policy has treated foreign populations like garbage, beginning with the brutal repression of the Filipino uprising against American colonial rule from 1899 to 1902. That war and its related hardships killed 250,000 to a million Filipino civilians and 20,000 Filipino rebels.
How many Americans know that?
Since that time American presidents have intervened, directly or by proxy, in countless places, including Cuba, Haiti, Colombia (Panama), Chile, Mexico, Nicaragua, the Soviet Union, Iran, Iraq, Guatemala, Lebanon, the Dominican Republic, Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan. On many occasions American administrations have engineered regime changes (sometimes with assassinations) to install leaders friendly to “American interests.” Rarely has intervention occurred without the murder of innocent civilians, degrading hardship for survivors, and arms and (taxpayer) money for repressive “leaders.” The paradigm is the 1953 intervention in Iran, when the CIA helped drive an elected, secular prime minister from office so the autocratic shah could be restored to power. His brutal U.S.-sponsored repression of the Iranian people finally provoked a religious revolution in 1979, creating an anti-American theocracy that has been a thorn in the side of U.S. presidents ever since.
Coincidence? Of course not. Americans may be ignorant or forgetful; the victims seldom are.
Iran was neither the first nor last case of “blowback,” the CIA’s term for what happens when a foreign operation explodes in one’s own face.
How many Americans have any inkling of the crimes — yes, crimes — their government has committed against foreign peoples in their name over the last century? Most people don’t know and don’t care — and that’s fine with their rulers because when vengeful foreigners assault American civilians (unjustifiably) or military occupiers, U.S. leaders and jingoist supporters can say “America” was the victim of another unprovoked attack. “Why do they hate us?” they will wonder.
Anyone the least bit familiar with history will know the answer. The CIA is about to release hundreds of documents about earlier interventions (and domestic spying), so there’s no more excuse for ignorance. Let’s stop whining and get curious. As Walt Kelly’s Pogo put it, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”
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[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]As Walt Kelly’s Pogo put it, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”
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gopher

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[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]“We have met the enemy and he is us.”

correction: the enemy is the warmongering Republican party and its NeoKKKon puppet string masters
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It actually goes back long before that, the British, the French, the Germans, Spanish and Portugese, had their empires at the expense of the rest of the world and America merely made it latter day imprint, on the template of history. Pay backs are hell they say and here is why, the first world used and abused the rest for cheap labour and cannon fodder. Rarely did they do nation building or provide the same standards of infasture and education. People who live in misery and want turn inward which leaves them open to be preyed on by isolation and fundamentalist religions.
Unfortunately we created much of our own misery and now we have to pay for what our forefathers did.
Its all fine to say its ancient history and let by gones be by gones but the human spirits does not work that way and old hatreds never die it seems
 

Dexter Sinister

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I think damngrumpy has it right. The United States is behaving no differently than any other imperial power ever has, intervening everywhere it can reach--which with modern technology means anywhere in the world--to protect what it feels are its commercial and political interests. Britain was no different in the 18th to the early 20th century, and many around the world hated the Brits at the time too, for essentially the same reasons: invasion, occupation, colonialism, political and economic exploitation and domination...

What do you think the American Revolution was about, if it wasn't about throwing off the oppressive British colonial power? That's been mythologized into a great, principled struggle for freedom, which is fair enough, that was certainly a large part of what was going on and it produced some ringingly evocative and powerful statements from some truly great thinkers like Thomas Jefferson that represent the best thoughts and values of the Enlightenment and are now part of our common heritage. The U.S. Declaration of Independence, for instance, is a stirring statement of values and principles that to my mind is a superb example of what is best and most noble in human nature, applied to the real world.

But power has corrupted, and America's leadership, just like every other imperial power, has failed to recognize that many of the conflicts they've found themselves embroiled in over the last century were very much like the American Revolution: guerrilla wars aimed at tossing out a dominating foreign power. Such conflicts are not winnable by the occupier in the long run, because the fight is against people where they live. They'll never go away, they have no place else to go, and they'll never give up. Never.
 
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, and America's leadership, just like every other imperial power, has failed to recognize that many of the conflicts they've found themselves embroiled in over the last century were very much like the American Revolution: guerrilla wars aimed at tossing out a dominating foreign power. Such conflicts are not winnable by the occupier in the long run, because the fight is against people where they live. They'll never go away, they have no place else to go, and they'll never give up. Never.


I think America is well aware of the unwinable situation, and doesn't give a toss... Never has and has known this since the get go....they still get to be first taker in the commodities up for grab by the occupying power...The tax dollars spent are pocketed by arms dealers and uniform makers and those never perishable foods the army eats..what are they who makes em...you get the idea....

hey the European wars had the same system...only the factories and the demands were a little more basic like uniforms leather pouches , musket, gun powder......

same old same old
 

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. The U.S. Declaration of Independence, for instance, is a stirring statement of values and principles that to my mind is a superb example of what is best and most noble in human nature, applied to the real world

Talking the talk and walking the walk are two very different things. If the US was half the country that is spelled out on that rag, it would not suffer the current group of bilge rats that have made it's home in the control room of the nation.
 

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There can be no question that American imperialism is the cause of much of the world's discord. But again, it is the government and the wealthy elites who profit from war that are responsible for that.

Those of us who struggle every day to make a living have nothing to do with all that evil. On the contrary, it is we who pay for it while the elites profit.
 

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There can be no question that American imperialism is the cause of much of the world's discord. But again, it is the government and the wealthy elites who profit from war that are responsible for that.

Those of us who struggle every day to make a living have nothing to do with all that evil. On the contrary, it is we who pay for it while the elites profit.

I have to agree with you here Goph. I think the original article had it right also when it said the American people don't know and don't care. "We the People" have very short memories, and even shorter attention spans. Just today a bomb is found packed full of gasoline and nails in London, what is our response? Line up in droves at every electronics store in every city and wait for hours on end for the new iPhone.

"We" are clueless. There was a picture floating around on the net of a whiteboard hanging in a Marine Corps operations center somewhere in Iraq, and someone had scribbled the following on it:

America is not at war, the Marine Corps is at war,
America is at the mall.

That about sums it up I think.
 
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JBeee

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""We" are clueless. There was a picture floating around on the net of a whiteboard hanging in a Marine Corps operations center somewhere in Iraq, and someone had scribbled the following on it:

America is not at war, the Marine Corps is at war,
America is at the mall.

That about sums it up I think."

....and think 9/11 was the latest block-buster movie from Steven Spielberg?

Perhaps a few mall explosions are in order to wake up the American populace?
 

Unforgiven

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""We" are clueless. There was a picture floating around on the net of a whiteboard hanging in a Marine Corps operations center somewhere in Iraq, and someone had scribbled the following on it:

America is not at war, the Marine Corps is at war,
America is at the mall.

That about sums it up I think."

....and think 9/11 was the latest block-buster movie from Steven Spielberg?

Perhaps a few mall explosions are in order to wake up the American populace?

What are you suggesting, corporate espionage? They'll hang you from the tallest bill board if you keep that sort of talk up laddie buck. heh heh
 
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If the US was half the country that is spelled out on that rag,
America is still one of the greatest countires on earth. That rag as you put it is one of the most valuable pieces of our evolution ever put to Law.
Bashing for the sake of bravado in a forum to create some image is all well and fine.
But to disgrace a work that actually gives you the right to post in freedom here is lame.
I Love America and all that is good about America.
You can't forget about the good. Hell they are just doing what Europe, Rome, and every other Empire has done on this planet to remain an Empire. Of which you are a part of. Yeah canada is part and parcel to the same Empire...

look at what Canadian companies have done in the Congo and elsewhwere.
Hell Bre X was a made in canada deal. We're no saints. We produce weapons, supply war lords to get the mining rights.
 
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There can be no question that American imperialism is the cause of much of the world's discord. But again, it is the government and the wealthy elites who profit from war that are responsible for that.

Those of us who struggle every day to make a living have nothing to do with all that evil. On the contrary, it is we who pay for it while the elites profit.
Piffle. Most people in the world are much better off today than their recent ancestors could have dreamed of. It is the English speaking world, particularly the countries that make up the former British Empire, that have led the way to improve the standard of living throughout most of the world. The countries that are lagging are going through their own medieval period(ie. civil strife, tribal rivalries, disease, ignorance, etc.). They too, will have a rennaissance at some time and life will improve.
 
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I Love America and all that is good about America.

I salute you!! :salute:

Reminds me of an old fave by The Coop:

I love that mountain with those four big heads
I love Velveeta slapped on Wonder Bread
I love a commie... if'n he's good and dead, yup
I love America

I love Old Glory and homemade pie
I think them Ruskies should be sterilized
I love my chicken Kentucky Fried...
Finger Lickin' Good!

Hey there, this is A.B. Cooper from
Cooper's Carnival of Clean and Classic Cars
It's our Fourth of July ... sale.
Here at Cooper's Carnival of Clean and Classic Cars
At the corner of Collins and Commerce
I've got lot full of the finest funny looking cars money can buy
At prices even you can afford
So come on down and say hello to me, and granny
And bring the kids to meet my snake
I say, "bye"
Granny says, "bye"
and the snake says, "sssssssssss"

I love General Patton in World War II
My Pocket Fisherman and my Crazy Glue
I love the Beav and Wally too, yeah
I love America

I love the bomb, hot dogs and mustard
I love my girl, but I sure don't trust her
I love what the Indians did to Custer
I love America

Here they come!
There they go!

I love my jeans and I love my hair
I love a real tight skirt and a real nice pair
And on the fourth of July, I love the rockets' red glare
I love America

I watch the A-Team every Tuesday night
I graduated, but I ain't to bright
I love Detroit 'cause I was born to fight
I love America

I love the Tigers but I hate the Mets
I ride my Hog but I race my Vette
I gotta job, but hell I'm still in debt

I love America

I love my bar and I love my truck
I'd do most anything to make a buck
I love a waitress who loves to... flirt!
They're the best kind I love America
Turn me on
Well, I gotta go now
I love America
Bye Bye, I tell you what though, I really do love it
You ain't going to catch me at no mayday rally
 
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Toro

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I think damngrumpy has it right. The United States is behaving no differently than any other imperial power ever has,

Actually, it is behaving quite differently. It is not annexing territory, nor is it spreading any sort of political dominion around the globe, nor is it using its military to even a remote level of its power to establish its dominance.
 

Toro

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But power has corrupted, and America's leadership, just like every other imperial power, has failed to recognize that many of the conflicts they've found themselves embroiled in over the last century were very much like the American Revolution: guerrilla wars aimed at tossing out a dominating foreign power. Such conflicts are not winnable by the occupier in the long run, because the fight is against people where they live. They'll never go away, they have no place else to go, and they'll never give up. Never.

If the nature of imperialism is to subjugate a population to extract its resources, then this is irrelevant, because if that it the case, there would be no guerrilla war where America is an occupying force as America would slaughter the wholesale population and just take the resources.