Tracking the freedom fighters.
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Nine severed heads...
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20060606/0651535764.htm
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20060606/0651535764.htm
Nope. A compendium of atrocities apologists for the terrorists wish to ignore and brush under the carpet. They would prefer to endlessly harp on a few alleged misdeeds by marines in the heat of battle, rather than premeditated planned slaughter by their heroes.
RE: Tracking the freedom
Zoofer your disgust for atrocity is laudable but the death squads at work in Iraq are trained paid and equiped by coalition forces, you believe the atrocities are the work of filthy gutless terrorists and you're right. The few alleged misdeeds have killed 100,00, 250,000 300,000 1,5 million civilians, how many have to die for the empire of the transnationals.
Zoofer your disgust for atrocity is laudable but the death squads at work in Iraq are trained paid and equiped by coalition forces, you believe the atrocities are the work of filthy gutless terrorists and you're right. The few alleged misdeeds have killed 100,00, 250,000 300,000 1,5 million civilians, how many have to die for the empire of the transnationals.
aeon said:
Why do you bother quoting people when your reply has nothing to with the topic or said quote? You just babble on with your regular "occupiers, empires, murderers, genocide etc. "
Even if the coalition were arming the "death squads", it doesn't matter. These people have been knocking each other off since the 7th century over some really trivial religous b.s .
Posted on Thursday 10th February 2005, by William O. Beeman. Originally from San Jose Mercury News
The Shiite-Sunni split goes back to the very origins of Islam. Following the death of the Prophet Muhammad in the seventh century, Islam was in confusion. The prophet left no male heir and no directions about how new leaders should be chosen.
The Muslims who came to be known as Shiites believed that leadership should pass to Muhammad’s son-in-law, Ali, who was married to the prophet’s eldest daughter, and then to their descendants.
The Sunni community originated with those who felt that leadership of the faith — the caliphate — should be decided by the whole community of believers. A series of compromises resulted in three venerable community leaders related to Muhammad by marriage becoming leaders, the third coming from Mecca’s powerful Umayyid clan. Ali’s supporters succeeded in having him installed as the fourth caliph, but that set off a rivalry between the Umayyids and the Shiites that eventually concretized as the Sunni-Shiite split.
The Umayyids later killed Ali’s son, Hussein, worsening the bitterness. One of Shiites’ central rituals to this day is the yearly mourning ceremony for Hussein in which men take part in processions featuring self-flagellation.
While there are extremists among both Sunnis and Shiites whose enmity stretches back to those ancient hurts, for the most part Sunnis and Shiites view that history merely as evidence that they have followed the true path to religious understanding, while the other group has not.
The history also fuels prejudice based on more recent modern practices; conservative Sunnis are particularly wary of what they see as Shiites’ ritual fervor and tolerance for mystical beliefs. They also see Shiite devotion to their religious leaders as cultish. Although both Sunnis and Shiites follow an established body of law called Shari’a that is based on the Koran and accounts of Muhammad’s actions and sayings, the Hadith, Sunnis adhere to laws codified in medieval times. Shiites, meanwhile, attach themselves to Grand Ayatollahs who, while following the core of Shari’a law, interpret the Koran and the Hadith as they apply to modern times.
To extreme fundamentalist Sunnis, such as Osama bin Laden’s followers, Shiite beliefs are aberrant. And Saudi Arabia’s strict Wahhabi sect urges its believers to avoid social contact with Shiites as well as with Jews and Christians.
Modern political history has intensified those prejudices. The Sunni community makes up 80 percent of the Islamic world, and has historically repressed the minority Shiites, except in Iran.
That was certainly true in Iraq. The Sunni Ottoman sultan persecuted the Shiites in Mesopotamia, which would become Iraq. And when Iraq was established by the British after World War I, the persecution continued, though Sunnis were a minority in the new nation. The British found it difficult to deal with the Shiite ayatollahs and virtually excluded them from governance.
So even if there were no one around to arm the death squads they would be using rocks and sticks to kill each other, because it is their way of life.
Posted on Thursday 10th February 2005, by William O. Beeman. Originally from San Jose Mercury News
The Shiite-Sunni split goes back to the very origins of Islam. Following the death of the Prophet Muhammad in the seventh century, Islam was in confusion. The prophet left no male heir and no directions about how new leaders should be chosen.
The Muslims who came to be known as Shiites believed that leadership should pass to Muhammad’s son-in-law, Ali, who was married to the prophet’s eldest daughter, and then to their descendants.
The Sunni community originated with those who felt that leadership of the faith — the caliphate — should be decided by the whole community of believers. A series of compromises resulted in three venerable community leaders related to Muhammad by marriage becoming leaders, the third coming from Mecca’s powerful Umayyid clan. Ali’s supporters succeeded in having him installed as the fourth caliph, but that set off a rivalry between the Umayyids and the Shiites that eventually concretized as the Sunni-Shiite split.
The Umayyids later killed Ali’s son, Hussein, worsening the bitterness. One of Shiites’ central rituals to this day is the yearly mourning ceremony for Hussein in which men take part in processions featuring self-flagellation.
While there are extremists among both Sunnis and Shiites whose enmity stretches back to those ancient hurts, for the most part Sunnis and Shiites view that history merely as evidence that they have followed the true path to religious understanding, while the other group has not.
The history also fuels prejudice based on more recent modern practices; conservative Sunnis are particularly wary of what they see as Shiites’ ritual fervor and tolerance for mystical beliefs. They also see Shiite devotion to their religious leaders as cultish. Although both Sunnis and Shiites follow an established body of law called Shari’a that is based on the Koran and accounts of Muhammad’s actions and sayings, the Hadith, Sunnis adhere to laws codified in medieval times. Shiites, meanwhile, attach themselves to Grand Ayatollahs who, while following the core of Shari’a law, interpret the Koran and the Hadith as they apply to modern times.
To extreme fundamentalist Sunnis, such as Osama bin Laden’s followers, Shiite beliefs are aberrant. And Saudi Arabia’s strict Wahhabi sect urges its believers to avoid social contact with Shiites as well as with Jews and Christians.
Modern political history has intensified those prejudices. The Sunni community makes up 80 percent of the Islamic world, and has historically repressed the minority Shiites, except in Iran.
That was certainly true in Iraq. The Sunni Ottoman sultan persecuted the Shiites in Mesopotamia, which would become Iraq. And when Iraq was established by the British after World War I, the persecution continued, though Sunnis were a minority in the new nation. The British found it difficult to deal with the Shiite ayatollahs and virtually excluded them from governance.
So even if there were no one around to arm the death squads they would be using rocks and sticks to kill each other, because it is their way of life.
And we did nothing since then?? remember the native indians that we killed ?? 150 millions of them are gone, wow, where were your ancester back then? killing them, incredible isnt?
I guess you don t remember also what we did to iraqies in the last 15 years?? both gulf wars, united sanctions that killed 1.5 millions of innoncent peoples, damn where were you? where did you learn history?? in a crackle jack box??
remember we also support a terrorist governement which is israel, that doesnt bother you?
i guess the war on terror, which is based on a lie, doesnt bother you also??
so you think western peoples are better?? lol, you are funny that is what you are.
I guess you don t remember also what we did to iraqies in the last 15 years?? both gulf wars, united sanctions that killed 1.5 millions of innoncent peoples, damn where were you? where did you learn history?? in a crackle jack box??
remember we also support a terrorist governement which is israel, that doesnt bother you?
i guess the war on terror, which is based on a lie, doesnt bother you also??
so you think western peoples are better?? lol, you are funny that is what you are.
When you use "we" are you refering to North Americans as a whole? or is this just another example of your Engrish.