Bush Bombs Iran Next - Will use Nukes


Karlin
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Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb?
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Headlines : "War on Terror" - The Iran Plans
Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:17:55 -0700



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Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reports that the Bush administration is planning to launch a massive bombing campaign against Iran, and it may include the use of bunker-busting nuclear weapons. A former defense official said “the military planning was premised on the belief that ‘a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.’” This strategy has been met with resistance from some military officials who warn that it could destabilize the region and encourage [NUCLEAR] attacks against Americans.


Bush has all but announced his plans to bomb Iran. The real reason is likely along the lines of Iran refusing to stop pumping so much oil and it is really messing up the OPEC efforts to get the price of crude oil above $100bbl. Or changing to payment in Euros. or teaming up with Venezueala to usurp OPEC and reduce the cost of gasoline to a reasonable price to the average person...


Whatever the reasons - the publicly announced reasons, corporate reasons, personal or professional reasons - that Bush has for invading Iran, he will tell us it is for America's safety. "A Post9-11 World" you know... such a dangerous place... see all those dead americans lying in american streets? Such a dangerous place now that those terrorists are running amok there anymore.... [sarcasm].

what dream is this??
Who would swallow this story again, right on the heels of Plamegate where Bush "illegally dangerously dishonourably" outs an American agent who provided us with the truth about one of Bush's fear-mongering tales of danger emerging from some Islamic nation across the seas [yellow-cake Nuke material was NOT going from Africa to Saddam, as Bush had warned us , as a reason for going to war on Iraq].

you might... If you still believe in Santa and the tooth fairy.
Thats Tough, but you gotta hear it.
It aint real , dudes
- ITS ABOUT THE OIL, allways has been:
1953 overthrow of govt of IRAN:
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[book review "Overthrow", has bit on Iran regime change 1953]


When he says it is for safety, well it is LESS safe for Americans after America changes governments and occupies Islamic nations [duh, who woulda thunk that eh?], most experts and me agree:
[urlhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040806B.shtml[/url]


I am waiting to see how PM Harper will respond to questions of his support for Bush's plans to do a regime change in Iran. We should ask him, it would make him squirm a bit eh.
 
darkbeaver
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I been following Mr Hersh for a while now and he speaks the truth, Uncle Sam's going to attack Iran to save us from the Islamic hordes and Bush will install in America a Christian Fundamentaist Theocracy. It's time for Canada to separate from this madness and get on the correct side of the global issues, we need a CLA (Canadian Liberation Army), I,ll be signing up as soon as it happens.
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

I been following Mr Hersh for a while now and he speaks the truth, Uncle Sam's going to attack Iran to save us from the Islamic hordes and Bush will install in America a Christian Fundamentaist Theocracy. It's time for Canada to separate from this madness and get on the correct side of the global issues, we need a CLA (Canadian Liberation Army), I,ll be signing up as soon as it happens.

That shouldn't be too hard, you can hijack Air Canada and start ramming them into office towers, or even cheaper, strap a few vest bombs around 14 year old kids, that would most notably place you on the "correct" side which you seek.
 
zoofer
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I suppose the "correct" side in your mind is Iran's side?

You too want to eliminate Israel Beaver?

Saner commentary here

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cortezzz
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beep beeep beeep
oops sorry
that was my anti-islamic
anti-iranian
anti-palestinian

detector going off

which one of you did that
 
cortezzz
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Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

I been following Mr Hersh for a while now and he speaks the truth, Uncle Sam's going to attack Iran to save us from the Islamic hordes and Bush will install in America a Christian Fundamentaist Theocracy. It's time for Canada to separate from this madness and get on the correct side of the global issues, we need a CLA (Canadian Liberation Army), I,ll be signing up as soon as it happens.

That shouldn't be too hard, you can hijack Air Canada and start ramming them into office towers, or even cheaper, strap a few vest bombs around 14 year old kids, that would most notably place you on the "correct" side which you seek.

your suggestion beaver should engage in terrorist acts is mistaken
the canadian liberation army is just and mercifull and only operates in a defensive capability
in contrast to the american imperial army of aggresssion

just keep trollong along ITN
 
zoofer
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Must be self induced.
Try just carrying one Radical Islamofascist detector instead. I will test it for you.
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

your suggestion beaver should engage in terrorist acts is mistaken
the canadian liberation army is just and mercifull and only operates in a defensive capability
in contrast to the american imperial army of aggresssion

just keep trollong along ITN

No I'm not mistaken, he has made these statements in prior threads, he referred to them as "freedom fighters", it's all a point of view, he has his, and I have mine. For example it is my point of view that your reference to American Imperialism has actually prevented the spread of socialism/communism the world over.

You're welcome
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

your suggestion beaver should engage in terrorist acts is mistaken
the canadian liberation army is just and mercifull and only operates in a defensive capability
in contrast to the american imperial army of aggresssion

just keep trollong along ITN

No I'm not mistaken, he has made these statements in prior threads, he referred to them as "freedom fighters", it's all a point of view, he has his, and I have mine. For example it is my point of view that your reference to American Imperialism has actually prevented the spread of socialism/communism the world over.

You're welcome

You must be blind ITN American Imperialism is the greatest socialist tool ever made, you can't win, you can't even back out gracefully,you're finished. hahahahahahahah
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

You must be blind ITN American Imperialism is the greatest socialist tool ever made, you can't win, you can't even back out gracefully,you're finished. hahahahahahahah

And you find it funny if we go down you're coming along for the ride? That is indeed amusing. Perhaps you should diversify your economy before you hope for such an event, you would be in alot better position to be laughing from afar.
 
cortezzz
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beep beep beep
 
cortezzz
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Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

your suggestion beaver should engage in terrorist acts is mistaken
the canadian liberation army is just and mercifull and only operates in a defensive capability
in contrast to the american imperial army of aggresssion

For example it is my point of view that your reference to American Imperialism has actually prevented the spread of socialism/communism the world over.

You're welcome

american atrocities in latin america have created the left there
for example
didnt you yourself say that at one point-- or was it toro
i think it was you and it struck me a little out of character for you

verdad.....
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

american atrocities in latin america have created the left there
for example
didnt you yourself say that at one point-- or was it toro
i think it was you and it struck me a little out of character for you

verdad.....

Yes it was me, I only took exception to Castro's little jungle revolutions all over Latin America funded by the Soviets. Other than that, America's paranoia in reference to communism (especially during the 50's and 60's) shed plenty of blood in Latin America - needlessly.

The left was created (in part) by American interventions in Latin America, but not only American intervention.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

You must be blind ITN American Imperialism is the greatest socialist tool ever made, you can't win, you can't even back out gracefully,you're finished. hahahahahahahah

And you find it funny if we go down you're coming along for the ride? That is indeed amusing. Perhaps you should diversify your economy before you hope for such an event, you would be in alot better position to be laughing from afar.

It's called making a sacrifice for the children of tommorow, I would see them not have to listen to corporate imperial bull****.
 
Johnny Utah
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This is only an option to use Nuclear bunker busters, as the U.S. Military already has bunker busters that could do the job just as good if it comes to this option in the first place.
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

It's called making a sacrifice for the children of tommorow, I would see them not have to listen to corporate imperial bull****.

They will have to listen to corporate imperial bull****, it might only be in Chinese, but still corporate bull**** nonetheless.
 
cortezzz
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Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

american atrocities in latin america have created the left there
for example
didnt you yourself say that at one point-- or was it toro
i think it was you and it struck me a little out of character for you

verdad.....

Yes it was me, I only took exception to Castro's little jungle revolutions all over Latin America funded by the Soviets. Other than that, America's paranoia in reference to communism (especially during the 50's and 60's) shed plenty of blood in Latin America - needlessly.

The left was created (in part) by American interventions in Latin America, but not only American intervention.

of course not only by american interventions
as a reaction to very real right wing repression-- domestic
and just plain exploitation
my query was why do you take exception to the latin american case--
could it be that american interventions-- but not only american interventions have significantly contributed to radicalisation of the middle east

for example the USs--unequivacol support of isreal-- to the detriment of the palestinians

or supporting the repressive shah of iran

or supporting the taliban against the soviets

or supporting saddam against iran

or supporting the saud royal family- i mean is saudi-- a democrasy
doesnt look like one

could the mighty US perhaps thru its influence turn saudi into a democrasy--- without firing a bullet--- does it want to,...

of course no one is innocent here
but come on-- nuking iran..
that would freak the world out
even if its towards industrial targets

it would accelerate the proliferation of nukes worldwide
 
darkbeaver
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THE PROLIFERATION OF WEAPONS IS SEEN BY THE CORPORATE WORLD AS A GOOD THING.
 
Toro
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There will not be full-scale war with Iran.

Military strikes, maybe, but I even doubt that.
 
cortezzz
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well lets hope that your right
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

of course not only by american interventions
as a reaction to very real right wing repression-- domestic
and just plain exploitation
my query was why do you take exception to the latin american case--
could it be that american interventions-- but not only american interventions have significantly contributed to radicalisation of the middle east

Of course it has, did I ever say otherwise? If you think I have, you're not paying attention. I single out Latin America, because to a much lesser degree it wasn't a cold war theatre. you see cortez, or is it cortezzz, to every action there is a reaction and to every reaction there is a reason behind it. The Middle East was a cold war battle ground, I know the left just loves to villify the US and its actions in the Middle East, but it always, almost without failure, seems to omit the flip side of the coin.

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

for example the USs--unequivacol support of isreal-- to the detriment of the palestinians

The US didn't get involved with Israel until long after the Soviet Union set foot in Egypt and Syria, you should know this. There was friction within the Truman administration whether or not to support Israel or the Arabs.The US didn't provide assistance to Israel even when the five armies of the Arab states attacked Israel one day after the UN approved Israel as a state.

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

or supporting the repressive shah of iran

Cold war era, unfortunate but that's what it is.

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

or supporting the taliban against the soviets

Read above.

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

or supporting saddam against iran

Read above

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

or supporting the saud royal family- i mean is saudi-- a democrasy
doesnt look like one

Even Canada supports Saudi Arabia, yes militarily.

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

could the mighty US perhaps thru its influence turn saudi into a democrasy--- without firing a bullet--- does it want to,...

I dunno if it "wants" to, I don't know if it "can" without military intervention, the same argument can be posed of the "Peoples Socialist Republic" of Libya.

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

of course no one is innocent here
but come on-- nuking iran..
that would freak the world out
even if its towards industrial targets

Nuking Iran isn't an option, but allowing Iran to build nuclear weapons isn't an option either.

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

it would accelerate the proliferation of nukes worldwide

And this is why Iran must never obtain nuclear weapons, especially since they have stated they will use them against Israel.
 
cortezzz
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what do you think would happen if iran got nukes before the states stopped them---
you really think that iran would nuke isreal--- a nuclear power itself--
that talk of their leadership is rhetoric-- and their leadership is crap-- i agree
but then again---americas leadership right now is also crap pure crap

but agian why would they REALLY nuke isreal---
it would be suicide----

you think that this iran-- nuking isreal scenario would be the ultimate suicide attack......

come on and show some compassion for the persians and arabs--the common folk-- they are as much --hermanos-- as the latin americans
 
Johnny Utah
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One possibility why Iran wants Nukes is to be able to crack down on their own people the same way China did "1989 at Tiinamen Square" using the Nukes as leverage against the West who might have ideas of interfering.
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

what do you think would happen if iran got nukes before the states stopped them---
you really think that iran would nuke isreal--- a nuclear power itself--
that talk of their leadership is rhetoric-- and their leadership is crap-- i agree
but then again---americas leadership right now is also crap pure crap

Yes, America's leadership right now is pure crap, I totally agree. Bush has no semblance of diplomacy or even a flicker of concern for any ally (in contrast to his father). But, that sin't to say he isn't right on a couple of issues, including Iran obtaining nukes.

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

but agian why would they REALLY nuke isreal---
it would be suicide----

Suicide doesn't appear to be a problem with extremists in the Middle East, haven't you noticed?

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

you think that this iran-- nuking isreal scenario would be the ultimate suicide attack......

It may very well be, but what if they believe their purpose (which extremists do by the way) is to "wipe Israel off the map" and they actually think a good portion of Iran would survive to justify the elimination of the zionists. Ever consider that?

Quote: Originally Posted by cortezzz

come on and show some compassion for the persians and arabs--the common folk-- they are as much --hermanos-- as the latin americans

I have every compassion for people all over the world that are pawns to politics, Arabs, Africans, Canadians, Americans, Christians, Muslims, everybody without exception. That doesn't mean however I will get blinded by an obvious threat.

I mean seriously cortezzz, you're not by no means a stupid person, Iran has been under worse regimes, like Khomeini for example, the US cutoff diplomatic relations and has been observing them. What has changed all these years that the US suddenly shows an interest towards Iran.......nukes.

I've said it before, and I will repeat myself, there is no such thing as being "friends" between countries, there are only "interests". The interests of the US in the Middle East aligns itself with certain states, for better or for worse. We can debate the morality of the situation in one brief statement, you are probably 100% correct, but we do not live in moral world, reality is somewhat different.

When the left drops the hypocrisy of their skewed morality, that's when I will start to listen, again. Until that time comes, I have yet to hear anything new.
 
cortezzz
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when the---- interest---- becomes building a competative but fair, productive , equitable, peacefull and lawfull international order-- when you see that as the interest--- and a vital one---then you might catch a glimpse as to where we are coming from----naive maybe but perhaps ----- hopefull

its an existentialist type of situation--
forgive the cliche
the world is what we make it
it isnt NESSESARILY have to be as amoral as you say between nation states
or---- maybe we dont have the power to make it just

morality between nation states exists---it isnt just --
interests----

the attacks of 911 were a moral outrage
every much as shock awe

anyway-----
what exactly is going on here on this forum
what can any side here possible achieve
what INFLUENCE can anyone of us have to bring
about the goals --the perhaps ultimately common goals the both sides have-
what can be done-- actionwise

maybe its pretty close to NADA

and to think that all the time ive spent typing on here
on this forum i
could have learned a dozen complex classical guitar pieces

what a waste
 
aeon
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Quote: Originally Posted by zoofer

I suppose the "correct" side in your mind is Iran's side?

You too want to eliminate Israel Beaver?

Saner commentary here

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Nobody in iran, have said they want to eliminate israel, it is the west media who came up with this story, because the leader of iraan made a speech in front of a university student, and was about "" A world withouth Zionist""
 
aeon
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Comments attributed to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian President, saying he wanted to see Israel "wiped off the map" were taken out of context, according to his foreign minister.

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Toro
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And when Bush's press secretary says that "Bush talking to God" was taken out of context, you don't believe him.
 
fuzzylogix
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Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny Utah

This is only an option to use Nuclear bunker busters, as the U.S. Military already has bunker busters that could do the job just as good if it comes to this option in the first place.

Are these bunker busters "just as good" at getting the job done the way "smart bombs" are just as good at getting the job done?
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by aeon

Nobody in iran, have said they want to eliminate israel, it is the west media who came up with this story, because the leader of iraan made a speech in front of a university student, and was about "" A world withouth Zionist""

I see, was it all the media? Or just the western media, because according to Al Jazeera that's what they said;

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and then, they "clarified" it, 5 months later;

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So who is it you believe here aeon, just so we have the record straight, is it the Iranian foreign minister or Al Jazeera?
 

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