#61
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERW
Apr 4th, 2006
Good article, puts credibility to the Iranian claims.Looks like a carrier killer to me.
IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
#62
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 4th, 2006
Too bad the only kill this torpedo has is the Russian sub that carried it.
Keep dreaming DB.
It is a scam and US Carriers will sail untouched. You know it and I know it and most importantly the Iranians know it. It is tough to fire torpedos if the subs are sitting at the bottom next to their moorings.
Keep dreaming DB.
It is a scam and US Carriers will sail untouched. You know it and I know it and most importantly the Iranians know it. It is tough to fire torpedos if the subs are sitting at the bottom next to their moorings.
Republican
#63
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERW
Apr 4th, 2006
Since none of your contributions on this thread were correct I see no reason to give your empty boasting much credit, it's nice to have team spirit but the facts speak for themselves and the sites I looked at had US navy sources, at the time of thier posting the torpedo in question was considered a real threat by your own military and US developement of the same weapon was years behind the Russian design.
#64
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 4th, 2006
I don't much care who is technically right. All I know
is you should never underestimate, and never over-react
and have the wisdom to know when to break those 2 rules.
In addition I don't care which team you cheer, or
which side you are on, this news bodes nothing but
bad for all of us if the Persian Gulf is shut down.
Some of you may jump for joy before the worldwide
depression sets in.
And then all of your care for the little guy was a joke
anyway because of your glee over this.
is you should never underestimate, and never over-react
and have the wisdom to know when to break those 2 rules.
In addition I don't care which team you cheer, or
which side you are on, this news bodes nothing but
bad for all of us if the Persian Gulf is shut down.
Some of you may jump for joy before the worldwide
depression sets in.
And then all of your care for the little guy was a joke
anyway because of your glee over this.
Republican
#65
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERW
Apr 4th, 2006
I never overestimate or underestimate, and you do care about which team I cheer for, I cheer for the world, not just our part of the team, but the whole team, life for the little guys can not get much worse JimMoyer and you should know that, there must be eaqul distribution of wealth, the events unfolding will move the world along that path, to accept anything less is inhuman.
No Party Affiliation
#66
Re: RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 4th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer
A two hundred mile an hour torpedo, Wow. I don't much care who is technically right. All I know
is you should never underestimate, and never over-react
and have the wisdom to know when to break those 2 rules.
In addition I don't care which team you cheer, or
which side you are on, this news bodes nothing but
bad for all of us if the Persian Gulf is shut down.
Some of you may jump for joy before the worldwide
depression sets in.
And then all of your care for the little guy was a joke
anyway because of your glee over this.
This topic could have generated all sorts of interesting debate but it turned instead into a pissing contest.
Who is going to shut down the Persian Gulf? Four Iranian subs with a few new torpedoes? What would be truly unfortunate is for Russia to sell nuclear warheads to go with the torpedoes.
The biggest contribution to worldwide depression was more than likely the invasion of Iraq. The American people are soon going to demand that their troops are pulled out of Iraq. The civil war that is already happening will likely spread.
#67
Re: RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 4th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer
I don't much care who is technically right. All I know
is you should never underestimate, and never over-react
and have the wisdom to know when to break those 2 rules.
In addition I don't care which team you cheer, or
which side you are on, this news bodes nothing but
bad for all of us if the Persian Gulf is shut down.
Some of you may jump for joy before the worldwide
depression sets in.
And then all of your care for the little guy was a joke
anyway because of your glee over this.
"All I know is you should never underestimate, and never over-react
and have the wisdom to know when to break those 2 rules."
Very true and that is why I say the Iranian's are would not be an easy target, as well as if they wanted to be they could pose a big threat in the region to american forces and merchant shipping.
Republican
#68
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERW
Apr 4th, 2006
I hope for peaceful resolution I don't want to see anyone killed but what will it take to make the US and UK and Canada see that this stupid grab for oil is disasterous and misguided,when the wrong people are placed in positions of power warfare and death always result, for some this is just good business.
#69
Re: RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERW
Apr 4th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Well the grab for oil didn't really work the first time since oil production is down and the price of occupation is so high. I do not think the USA and the UK will make the same mistake twice, xp if it's just over oil.I hope for peaceful resolution I don't want to see anyone killed but what will it take to make the US and UK and Canada see that this stupid grab for oil is disasterous and misguided,when the wrong people are placed in positions of power warfare and death always result, for some this is just good business.
#70
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 4th, 2006
I repeat :
I don't care which team you cheer, or
which side you are on, this news bodes nothing but
bad for all of us if the Persian Gulf is shut down.
Some of you may jump for joy before the worldwide
depression sets in.
And then all of your care for the little guy was a joke
anyway because of your glee over this.
Most world leaders know this better than the average
politically responsible citizen.
I don't care which team you cheer, or
which side you are on, this news bodes nothing but
bad for all of us if the Persian Gulf is shut down.
Some of you may jump for joy before the worldwide
depression sets in.
And then all of your care for the little guy was a joke
anyway because of your glee over this.
Most world leaders know this better than the average
politically responsible citizen.
#71
Re: RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 4th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer
Even Bush has stated that The USA (and really the world) needs to get off the addication to oil. Both Canada and the USA should be heavily investing in making other substitutions available sooner.I repeat :
I don't care which team you cheer, or
which side you are on, this news bodes nothing but
bad for all of us if the Persian Gulf is shut down.
Some of you may jump for joy before the worldwide
depression sets in.
And then all of your care for the little guy was a joke
anyway because of your glee over this.
Most world leaders know this better than the average
politically responsible citizen.
Republican
#72
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERW
Apr 5th, 2006
American military supremacy has fueled arms development, since air superiority has been the problem to address in modren conflict I would expect that there are in existance very capable air defence systems, 60 years of R & D must have come up with strong anti-aircraft systems by now.
#73
Re: RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERW
Apr 5th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
All of my contributions have been accurate. You just want to believe what you want. You secretly hope for one day to see an American Aircraft carrier be sunk by ANYBODY.Since none of your contributions on this thread were correct I see no reason to give your empty boasting much credit, it's nice to have team spirit but the facts speak for themselves and the sites I looked at had US navy sources, at the time of thier posting the torpedo in question was considered a real threat by your own military and US developement of the same weapon was years behind the Russian design.
It isn't going to happen.
You have always been jealous and envious of the US that is why you jump with glee at Iranian propaganda.
#74
Re: RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERW
Apr 5th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Because you want to see more US planes shot down right?American military supremacy has fueled arms development, since air superiority has been the problem to address in modren conflict I would expect that there are in existance very capable air defence systems, 60 years of R & D must have come up with strong anti-aircraft systems by now.
#75
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 5th, 2006
The American navy is littered with so many sensor arrays that I have many suspicions about anything getting through them. Not it that it can't happen, just that it is extremely unlikely.
And what's the range of the torpedo/missile? Is it far enough that they can shoot it from a long ways away? Because anything less than 10km is spittint distance to a modern day well equipped navy.
And lastly. In the Falklands War, the Royal Navy managed to wound the ARA Sante Fe (a submarine) so bably that she was abandoned.
And what's the range of the torpedo/missile? Is it far enough that they can shoot it from a long ways away? Because anything less than 10km is spittint distance to a modern day well equipped navy.
And lastly. In the Falklands War, the Royal Navy managed to wound the ARA Sante Fe (a submarine) so bably that she was abandoned.
#76
RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 5th, 2006
Even Bush has stated that The USA (and really the world) needs to get off the addication to oil. Both Canada and the USA should be heavily investing in making other substitutions available sooner.
---------------------------Finder---------------------------
Finder, I totally agree.
After all the noise, after all the arguments, all the levels
that run deeper than left and right, you will find that
most of the Western World would support any leader
that leads us away from OIL DEPENDENCE.
Even in America, this deep sentiment is untapped.
The Western world is sick of its prostitution to this
God.
And we really need to fornicate those who own it.
It will be the best sex Civilization will ever record.
---------------------------Finder---------------------------
Finder, I totally agree.
After all the noise, after all the arguments, all the levels
that run deeper than left and right, you will find that
most of the Western World would support any leader
that leads us away from OIL DEPENDENCE.
Even in America, this deep sentiment is untapped.
The Western world is sick of its prostitution to this
God.
And we really need to fornicate those who own it.
It will be the best sex Civilization will ever record.
#77
Re: RE: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 7th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by The Gunslinger
That is what I have been trying to say and have been posting links talking about the short comings about this torpedo.The American navy is littered with so many sensor arrays that I have many suspicions about anything getting through them. Not it that it can't happen, just that it is extremely unlikely.
And what's the range of the torpedo/missile? Is it far enough that they can shoot it from a long ways away? Because anything less than 10km is spittint distance to a modern day well equipped navy.
And lastly. In the Falklands War, the Royal Navy managed to wound the ARA Sante Fe (a submarine) so bably that she was abandoned.
The max effective range is 7Km. Much too close for modern day sub tactics.
But some folks are so excited to think that a carrier could possibly be hit that they ignore the facts of the issue and dream.
And with any subs being a threat I know that the bottom of the Iranian coasts are covered with fixed underwater sensors that monitor the coming and going of these subs. Just as it was in the North Atlantic for the Soviets. When the Soviet subs left port the US knew it and then would send attack subs to follow them. If these subs pose a threat the US Attack Subs will shadow every move.
Free Thinker
#78
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 7th, 2006
oh oh eaglesmake you speaking as confident from that....as you see BUSH tell you about big army of iraq and iraqi people believe him before you...... but as you see your soldiers come to iraq and they hope know to go out you think you have win....... so the real issue that when you see irans power to be big and big you go dirctly and deride from it but if you think as BUSH you want realy to destroy it just to be sure there are no one can stands on the world as america .... so it easy
# iraq hasnt weighty weapon====>>>>>your soldiers destroy it...if you see
# iran will have nuclear weapon and heavy weapon=====>>> your BUSH hope to erase it from world
and but some other country as.... BUSH say that they must keep them self and they must developed their weapon.... but please know that israel have technology and weapon iran must work for hundred of years to reach them... and and america tell the world she must protect israel from iraq......>>iran......>>which after????
we must wait when america finish from iran and then we can see...
# iraq hasnt weighty weapon====>>>>>your soldiers destroy it...if you see
# iran will have nuclear weapon and heavy weapon=====>>> your BUSH hope to erase it from world
and but some other country as.... BUSH say that they must keep them self and they must developed their weapon.... but please know that israel have technology and weapon iran must work for hundred of years to reach them... and and america tell the world she must protect israel from iraq......>>iran......>>which after????
we must wait when america finish from iran and then we can see...
#79
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Apr 7th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by diaeagle
Liberals at their finest. oh oh eaglesmake you speaking as confident from that....as you see BUSH tell you about big army of iraq and iraqi people believe him before you...... but as you see your soldiers come to iraq and they hope know to go out you think you have win....... so the real issue that when you see irans power to be big and big you go dirctly and deride from it but if you think as BUSH you want realy to destroy it just to be sure there are no one can stands on the world as america .... so it easy
# iraq hasnt weighty weapon====>>>>>your soldiers destroy it...if you see
# iran will have nuclear weapon and heavy weapon=====>>> your BUSH hope to erase it from world
and but some other country as.... BUSH say that they must keep them self and they must developed their weapon.... but please know that israel have technology and weapon iran must work for hundred of years to reach them... and and america tell the world she must protect israel from iraq......>>iran......>>which after????
we must wait when america finish from iran and then we can see...
Let me speak to you in a language that you may understand...
Oh you see you oh but when iran you go see... huh... but you BUSH when he go Iraq and you soldiers say HUH and say no that you can know and do know >>> now that iran has weapon and you say oh no we know that you no have weapon but isreal and BUSH know >>> how you know that we know iraq and iran and BUSH know.
Correct me if I'm wrong EagleSmack,
but it sounds very much like you are belittling a new poster because of his apparent weakness in English. How well do you speak Farsi, or Arabic?
I don't want to see any more of this trash. You will not get a second warning!
#juan......Moderator
#80
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 20th, 2007
Yes the states in stronger, but the problem is the states army lost less than 4000 soldiers in Iraq in four years and they are very sad about it. The -- web site shows that Iraq lost from 59326 to 65160 and in wars for every 10 soldiers you lose, if enemy loses 15 then this is victory. Is US ready for such victory?
#81
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 20th, 2007
Irans chief weapon is the fact that it does have some suicidal "martyrs", One massive quick Kamikazee swarm of all air assets is Irans best bet at even hurting one carrier. Otherwise they will all be taken out within a few days to no effect anyways.
Right or Wrong, America has a better military than anyone else..push comes to shove it probably has a better military than anyone else. It hasn't cut down on Cold war spending, but everyone else has stopped.
Right or Wrong, America has a better military than anyone else..push comes to shove it probably has a better military than anyone else. It hasn't cut down on Cold war spending, but everyone else has stopped.
Republican
#82
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 20th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
They have hardware, but very soft software.Irans chief weapon is the fact that it does have some suicidal "martyrs", One massive quick Kamikazee swarm of all air assets is Irans best bet at even hurting one carrier. Otherwise they will all be taken out within a few days to no effect anyways.
Right or Wrong, America has a better military than anyone else..push comes to shove it probably has a better military than anyone else. It hasn't cut down on Cold war spending, but everyone else has stopped.
Republican
#83
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 20th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
They have hardware, but very soft software. It's the squishy parts that will fail, any war with Iran will open in the ME but I bet it will spread to the states, then we will see what they're made of, jello.Irans chief weapon is the fact that it does have some suicidal "martyrs", One massive quick Kamikazee swarm of all air assets is Irans best bet at even hurting one carrier. Otherwise they will all be taken out within a few days to no effect anyways.
Right or Wrong, America has a better military than anyone else..push comes to shove it probably has a better military than anyone else. It hasn't cut down on Cold war spending, but everyone else has stopped.
#84
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 20th, 2007
The Iraqi army did not fight. The Iranian army would fight. That is the difference. A US invasion of Iran would set of a conflict that would make Iraq look like Grenada. In Iraq some folk are against the US being there. In Iran they all would be up in arms. No conventional army has yet to beat a popular resistance movement with widespread public support.
#85
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 20th, 2007
The problem being 50% of Irans population is under 25 and hates the current oppressive regime. Airdrop money and fire-arms, the regime will be overthrown by itself..
#86
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 20th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
I seriously doubt that. Hate may be to strong of a word. There are also no conflicting tribal of religious schisms in Iran. Any political differences between moderates and hardliners would be set aside to ensure that what has happened in Iraq does not happen in Iran.The problem being 50% of Irans population is under 25 and hates the current oppressive regime. Airdrop money and fire-arms, the regime will be overthrown by itself..
If Bush was smart he would let Isreal do his dirty work and stopp Irans nuclear program. Isreali aircraft can easily hit the targets with intell from the US.
#87
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 20th, 2007
It wouldn't be a racial warzone,
It would be an MTV generation causing general unrest against a religious older generation that would be forced to make concessions to avoid riots.
And putting down the riots would be counter productive, they are their own damn kids.
It would be an MTV generation causing general unrest against a religious older generation that would be forced to make concessions to avoid riots.
And putting down the riots would be counter productive, they are their own damn kids.
#88
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 21st, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
I am all for that.The problem being 50% of Irans population is under 25 and hates the current oppressive regime. Airdrop money and fire-arms, the regime will be overthrown by itself..
#89
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 21st, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnight
No the Iraqi army did fight they just got their butts kicked. Iran is all talk and no action. Their military would collapse almost as fast as Iraqs and they would be forced into car bombings and an insurgency. Iraq had the fourth biggest army in the world right before the first Gulf War and outnumbered the coalition. The Coalition made quick work with the air forces and air defences and then hammered it's armor forces.The Iraqi army did not fight. The Iranian army would fight. That is the difference. A US invasion of Iran would set of a conflict that would make Iraq look like Grenada. In Iraq some folk are against the US being there. In Iran they all would be up in arms. No conventional army has yet to beat a popular resistance movement with widespread public support.
Iran would not stand a chance.
#90
Re: IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE
Mar 21st, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
I don't know if you mean an actual invasion of the states, but I highly doubt even our own military could take and hold a city like Los Angeles, Houston or New York. They have hardware, but very soft software. It's the squishy parts that will fail, any war with Iran will open in the ME but I bet it will spread to the states, then we will see what they're made of, jello.
The probability of an invading army actually reaching our shores a la D Day style without being sunk conventionally or as last resort just nuked out in the open ocean, is very small.
But if you mean conqured from within like the non alcohol toting, non pork scanning haji's in Minnesota, then you might have a point. Once all the newspeak from the left has made everyone into socially dependent drones, it might happen.
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