BushCo crimes - lets do the world a favour

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

The Iraqis speak to the world everyday, unfortunately all of us listen to our bias because it serves our self-gratifying need to say "I told you so".

speak for yourself...ITN.


How is one to consider an orchestrated interview with an Iraqi on CNN as a valid opionion of the Iraqis??? The media will not interview or play any Iraqi that is discontent with the occupation... sheesh. Speaking of bias......seems media like CNN have that one taped and orchestrated. They present exactly what they think will 'play ' to the US public...........( who have long ago stopped thinking for themselves.. ) That is a generality. There are many USers who still do use their cerebral matter and reason things beyond what they have been spoon fed.

My points were simply to show that there is another side to this story, and I also agree that none of us knows the whole story, only the CNN version or Fox version, which are usually different.

The point about a better life is that women are now more than just posessions, able to actually show their faces in public without fear of death, and the citizens of Iraq have the right to vote, something we take very casually, something they appear to take very seriously, as evidenced by voting amid bombings BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

Do you not ever wonder who funds these terrorists who are blowing up cars, themselves, innocent kids and moms and dads? Maybe if more time was spent tracking down the source of their funds (Syria?) and putting an end to that, the real triumph of democracy in Iraq could be seen all the time.

As for Albertans, you show your ignorance, there are numerous Albertans in Iraq, oil and otherwise involved.

Maybe if more time was spent tracking down the source of their funds (Syria?) and putting an end to that, the real triumph of democracy in Iraq could be seen all the time.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeQuote: Originally Posted by I think notThe Iraqis speak to the world everyday, unfortunately all of us listen to our bias because it serves our self-gratifying need to say "I told you so".
speak for yourself...ITN.
How is one to consider an orchestrated interview with an Iraqi on CNN as a valid opionion of the Iraqis??? The media will not interview or play any Iraqi that is discontent with the occupation... sheesh. Speaking of bias......seems media like CNN have that one taped and orchestrated. They present exactly what they think will 'play ' to the US public...........( who have long ago stopped thinking for themselves.. ) That is a generality. There are many USers who still do use their cerebral matter and reason things beyond what they have been spoon fed.If the fringe left posters on this board are indicative of unbias opinion, I'll stick to being "brainwashed" by CNN. And btw OB, a nice chunk of the Canadian population supported Bush in Iraq, which channels do they watch and get dumbed down?

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One has no idea just how much "freedom" the women have in Iraq which is still a male dominated society. don't know how anyone can equate voting with a democratic society when so much of the gov't is under such intense security. As long as they live under the threat of US bombs, or terrorist bombs.......they do not live in a democracy. Most of the election propaganda has been for show anyhow. Something to be televised and used politically by the bush cabal. Most Iraqis feel the election was rigged.

so where is the truth in all this??

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

One has no idea just how much "freedom" the women have in Iraq which is still a male dominated society. don't know how anyone can equate voting with a democratic society when so much of the gov't is under such intense security. As long as they live under the threat of US bombs, or terrorist bombs.......they do not live in a democracy. Most of the election propaganda has been for show anyhow. Something to be televised and used politically by the bush cabal. Most Iraqis feel the election was rigged.

so where is the truth in all this??

Oddly enough the UN has given its blessing with the Iraq elections, did you miss that post?

a no brainer: they watch CNN.

What is with the branding of people into groups??? the fringe left, the left, the right , right wing fanatical SOB and on it goes. Sheesh. Putting people into little pigeon holes is exactly what an autocratic society does.......when it stops thinking and being creative. So much easier that way than to address people on an individual level. So much easier to feed one's own prejudice. No branding, no prejudice........and the US just has to have something to be prejudiced about.

Pathetic..

but each to his own...... as long as one understands there are no winners in crap like that.

surprised that the name of the UN Is even invoked here as didn't the UN claim LOUD and FIERCE that the UN is irrelevant.??? So null and void on that on. or is the UN ok.......as long as it does what the US approves of or blindly supports the US??? Doesn't seem all that fair now......does it.?? But then who said politics were "fair"???

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

surprised that the name of the UN Is even invoked here as didn't the UN claim LOUD and FIERCE that the UN is irrelevant.??? So null and void on that on. or is the UN ok.......as long as it does what the US approves of or blindly supports the US??? Doesn't seem all that fair now......does it.?? But then who said politics were "fair"???

How does this rant dismiss the UN's statement? It doesn't.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

surprised that the name of the UN Is even invoked here as didn't the UN claim LOUD and FIERCE that the UN is irrelevant.??? So null and void on that on. or is the UN ok.......as long as it does what the US approves of or blindly supports the US??? Doesn't seem all that fair now......does it.?? But then who said politics were "fair"???

How does this rant dismiss the UN's statement? It doesn't.

To put it back to you, OB, when the UN says something you don't like, is it then irrelvant to YOU?

(an aside.........but this used to be a nicely balanced board /forum........and suddenly it has become something else entirely. ........and not a pleasant place to be. Seems the same people who favor discussing/attacking the posters as opposed to the topics are back in full form and doing just that... which implies a serious learning disability. )

but there is a time for everything and sometimes the time has come....

very sad.....and one has to be a masochist to hang around such pathology..

Happy new year everyone....... and time for a major hiatus at this end.

ta ta and have fun.

Very good post, Wednesday's child !!

I'd like to advise the conservatives that we are
guests in a house "THEY" created and it would be
ashame to see all of the original membership feel
they have to leave their own house.

And telling them to have more toughness is no way
to go about it.

We guests should be more civil without
losing resilience in our points of view.

This place is not about singing to the choir.

It's about having a two-way conversation.

It's about us agreeing that NO ONE has a monopoly
on one truth.