Italians set to deal second major blow to the EU

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Italians are voting in a referendum which is being closely watched for further signs of anti-establishment sentiment in Europe.

The vote, called by centre-left Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, is formally on plans to streamline parliament but is expected to be used by many as a chance to register discontent.

Populist parties have campaigned for a No vote. Mr Renzi has said he will resign if he loses.

Opinion polls suggest he faces defeat.

Voting began on Sunday at 07:00 (06:00 GMT) and ends at 23:00, with results expected early on Monday.

Italy referendum: PM Renzi's future in the balance


BBC News
3 December 2016


Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi cast his vote with his wife Agnese near Florence

Italians are voting in a referendum which is being closely watched for further signs of anti-establishment sentiment in Europe.

The vote, called by centre-left Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, is formally on plans to streamline parliament but is expected to be used by many as a chance to register discontent.

Populist parties have campaigned for a No vote. Mr Renzi has said he will resign if he loses.

Opinion polls suggest he faces defeat.

Voting began on Sunday at 07:00 (06:00 GMT) and ends at 23:00, with results expected early on Monday.

What's being decided?



In brief, the reforms include reducing the power of the Senate. Its members would be cut from 315 to 100, with most drawn from mayors and regional representatives.

Mr Renzi says the reforms would speed up the cumbersome law-making process in Italy, which has had 60 governments since 1948.

Opponents say the proposals would concentrate too much power in the prime minister's hands.

Some 50 million Italians have the right to vote in the referendum - many voters are fed up with years of economic stagnation.

An opinion poll in November gave the "No" vote a lead of at least five percentage points. But many Italians are thought to be still undecided.

(The full details of what is on the table are further down in this article).

What would a 'No' vote mean?

The "No" campaign in Italy has been spearheaded by the the anti-establishment Five Star Movement, led by Beppe Grillo. It wants a referendum on whether Italy should keep the euro.

Populists, including the Five Star Movement and the anti-immigrant Northern League, would receive a boost from the prime minister's defeat.

If Italy votes No, it would follow a similar trend seen with the UK's vote in June to leave the European Union, as well as the rise of the anti-immigrant Front National in France and populist parties elsewhere (along with Donald Trump's unexpected win in the US presidential election).

But the possibility of Mr Renzi, 41, falling from power has reignited concerns about financial stability in the eurozone's third largest economy.


Beppe Grillo and his Five Star Movement could reap the rewards of a No

If Mr Renzi does lose, it is still not entirely certain that he will be out of power.

President Sergio Mattarella could ask him to form a new government or appoint a technocratic prime minister to serve until elections due in 2018.

What Renzi wants to do:


Reduce the power of the second chamber of parliament, the Senate, which is currently equal to the Chamber of Deputies

Cut the number of Senators from 315 to 100 and strip the Senate of the right to hold votes of no confidence in the government

End elections to Senate and fill it with 21 regional mayors, 74 regional council heads and five other members selected by the president

Reformists say this would cut the cost of politics by €500m (£430m; $530m) a year and speed up lawmaking by ending decades of parliamentary ping pong


Referendum text:

Do you approve the text of the Constitutional Law on 'Provisions for exceeding the equal bicameralism, reducing the number of MPs, the containment of operating costs of the institutions, the suppression of the CNEL and the revision of Title V of Part II of the Constitution' approved by Parliament and published in the Official Gazette n° 88 of 15 April 2016?

Italy referendum: PM Renzi's future in the balance - BBC News
 

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'Don't panic!' Germany calls for calm and says Italian referendum 'is no reason to talk of an EU crisis' as euro recovers after hitting 20-month low | Daily Mail Online

*snicker*

 

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBRgp98gWo&list=RDlMBRgp98gWo&index=1



The italians are developing real religion, so possibly politics will rise with the tide as well
 

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBRgp98gWo&list=RDlMBRgp98gWo&index=1



The italians are developing real religion, so possibly politics will rise with the tide as well

Italian pop music

Black Box - "Ride on Time" (1990)



Lacuna Coil - "Our Truth" (2006)

 

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The only glitch to the electoral onslaught of anti globalist forces, was in Austria.. where the Freedom Party of Norbert Hofer, a populist and nationalist (of course labelled 'far right anti immigrant' by the liberal media) lost by 53 to 46% . But he lost to another candidate out of the mainstream in the Green Party and Pro Europe candidate Alexander Van der Bellen. The election was for the largely ceremonial post of President.

Imho Van der Bellen represents the worst of the ideologies of globalism, post structuralism and pseudo environmentalism. It means there is still a substantial force polarizing against the forces of the constitutional nation state. I suppose we saw that in the U.S. as well with Hillary Clinton's plurality in the popular vote (by 2.5M) which was largely and deeply embedded in major cosmopolitan urban centres.

All of Hillary's advantage can be assigned to the margin of victory in NYC and LA. These are from economies reliant on finance, trade, communications and services; embrace the New Age cultural icons with avengence, and, are usually characterised by large immigrant and transient populations. I'd be surprised if the same wasn't true with Austria.

But i think the ascendent forces are those of populism and nationalism and will prevail over the coming decades. The global economy has failed decisively.
 
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Arch-EU federalist Van der Bellen is the first Green president ever elected in an EU Member State.
 

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who makes their voting machines?

gotta love "grillo" pulp...lol
couldn't resist

(CNN)One of the benefactors of the political uncertainty created by the Italian Prime Minister's resignation is former comedian Beppe Grillo.

Now leader of the Five Star Movement (M5S) party, the former funnyman campaigned for the "no" vote which won Sunday's referendum.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/04/europe/italian-referendum-beppe-grillo-profile/
 

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The next French President tweeted this:



"The Italians have disavowed the EU and Renzi. We must listen to this thirst for freedom of nations."
 

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The next French President tweeted this:



"The Italians have disavowed the EU and Renzi. We must listen to this thirst for freedom of nations."



Civil unrest is the usual result of not listening to the will of the people. Massive civil unrest usually leads to revolution.
I think you are right, the EU is doomed one way or another.


You are right too that Hillary's 'popular vote win' came from only two States. The rest of the country spoke pretty clearly that they want change. It would be in the country's best interest for the future if the protesters would stop protesting in their various ways before real serious confrontations break out.
Jill Stein and her recount efforts are creating quite a backlash.
 

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yeah, a whole recount and trump up by three votes in Wisconsin
lol
 

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Italy is a giant-sized Greece. The Italians are pissed off, not going to take it anymore, biting the hand that feeds them.
 

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Got to agree with getting rid of the Euro - weak economies like that of Greece, Italy, and Spain need an edge to compete. Being forced to complete with a high value currency like the Euro places them at a competitive disadvantage. The Euro works for Germany and the other high tech nations of the EU, but it is a real handicap for nations like Italy.
 

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Yep, without the regional offset of unique national currencies the euro was basically doomed from the start - trying to be all things to all men so to speak, which is beginning to look like the plan all along...to do what war couldn't do:

Balkanize the place - divide and conqure, financially flatten the middle class, and then flood the place with weaponised refugees so globalism could reign in the end