Looks Like Curtains for Hugo Chavez

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Good News for Venezuelans- looks like cancer is about to claim that wackiest of South American leaders Hugo Chavez the corrupt bombastic clown/weirdo.

Bad News-God alone knows what kind of slime will end up running what's left of the place.

Chavez faces surgery, says lesion likely malignant



CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — President Hugo Chavez announced Tuesday that doctors in Cuba found a new lesion in the same place where a cancerous tumor was removed last year and said he will shortly return to the island to have it surgically removed.

He told Venezuelans he did not know if the lesion is malignant but that the probability is high, adding that they should not expect to see him in coming weeks as he will likely need localized radiation therapy.

"I'm not going to be able to continue with the same rhythm," Chavez told state TV via telephone Tuesday night, adding that he would need to "rethink my personal agenda and take care of myself, confront what must be confronted."

The announcement thrust Venezuelan politics into new uncertainty because the socialist leader is seeking re-election this year, hoping to extend his more than 13 years in power with a new six-year term.

Initialy announcing the lesion in an afternoon state TV appearance from his home state of Barinas, Chavez said the lesion was about "two centimeters (less than one inch) in diameter, very clearly visible."

He said it would be removed by the same surgeons who excised a tumor from his pelvic region last June, and expected the new operation would be less complicated.

Chavez, 57, did not say when he would depart for Cuba. He said he would attend to government business Wednesday, including signing papers, meeting with the Cabinet and armed forces leaders.
He said he would head for Havana "without haste. All in good time."

A leading Colombian oncologist, Dr. Carlos Castro, said that if Chavez undergoes radiation therapy that typically means a minimum of 10 daily sessions, which means Chavez would need to name a temporary replacement while undergoing treatment.

From July to September, Chavez received four rounds of chemotherapy, both in Cuba and in Venezuela, and subsequently said tests showed he was cancer-free.

On Tuesday, Chavez denied rumors that the cancer had spread aggressively.

"I completely deny what's going around that I have metastasis in the liver or I don't know where, that the cancer has spread all over my body and that I'm already dying," he said.

He has never specified the cancer's exact nature or location, and critics have repeatedly accused Chavez of a lack of transparency.

Analyst Cynthia Arnson of the Woodrow Wilson International Center in Washington said Tuesday's announcement seriously complicates Chavez's prospects for re-election on Oct. 7.

"It's now clear that Chavez's cancer is far from cured. Chavez's illness — his ability to campaign as well as to govern — is a major factor in the race. It erodes the aura of invincibility as well as inevitability that Chavez has always tried to create," she said.

The governing party will also be vexed as it lacks an alternative with Chavez's charisma and popular following, Arnson said. She predicted "a tight race (will get) even tighter" against opposition candidate Henrique Capriles, a 39-year-old state governor.

He said rumors, including that the cancer has been spreading, prompted him to go public. He had been out of public sight since Friday, not announcing his trip to Cuba.

His government's handling of unconfirmed reports that he spent the weekend there undergoing medical tests turned out to be ham-fisted. On Monday, repeated attempts by The Associated Press to confirm the reports went unanswered, and Communications Minister Andres Izarra vehemently denied them online.

"Regarding the rumors, dirty war from the gutter," Izarra tweeted.

Also Monday, an employee of the Venezuela Embassy in Havana said there was no indication Chavez had gone to Cuba or planned to do so. The person did say that some members of the presidential family were in Cuba but had already left. The employee spoke on condition of anonymity, lacking authorization to discuss the matter publicly.

Chavez, whose approval ratings have topped 50 percent in recent polls, has in recent weeks recovered the hair he shaved off during chemotherapy and appeared vigorous, albeit puffy around the face and neck. He had returned to a full schedule of activities including marathon television appearances.

"I am in good physical shape to confront this new battle," Chavez said on Tuesday afternoon.

He later choked up, reflecting on mortality in the phone call.

"I ask for life," he said. "I want to live with you and fight with you until the last moment of this life that God gave me."

He called on his backers to "accelerate the (electoral) battle."

Doctors consulted by the AP said it was difficult to assess Chavez's prognosis.

But Dr. Javier Cebrian, a colorectal specialist and chief surgeon at University Hospital in Caracas, said news that the lesion was in the very place the initial tumor was removed was not good.

"A local recurrence is a bad symptom because it means the illness is growing again," he said.

"It's an ominous sign," said Dr. Michael Pishvaian, a Georgetown University oncologist. He said doctors often use the term lesion to refer to a new tumor, which appears to fit Chavez's description.

He said such a reappearance, particularly when a patient has undergone surgery then chemotherapy, suggests cancerous cells have resisted the treatments.

Many Venezuelans have been impressed by Chavez's fortitude.

"It's already established that Chavez is a superman because he was sick and he didn't delegate to anyone," said Luis Montilla, a 51-year-old lawyer.

Capriles' campaign coordinator, Armando Briquet, said he and his team wish Chavez "a complete recovery" and "a long life although we have always been critical about the lack of real information about the president's health."

Capriles claims Chavez has exploited his lengthy rule to balance the scales against a fair election, taking advantage of government money and slanted coverage in state media.

He is a strident critic of Chavez's expropriations of hundreds of businesses, apartment buildings and farms over the past decade.

The government's generous spending has made Chavez a hero to many of his supporters, which make up a large segment of Venezuela's poor.

Opponents say Chavez has done nothing to combat Venezuela's rampant violent crime and blame him for 26 percent inflation. His opponents also criticize the former paratroop commander for his strident anti-U.S. rhetoric and defense of Iran and its nuclear program.

The U.S. Embassy in Caracas has been without an ambassador since July 2010.
 

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They say that about every country that 'gets away. Isn't 3 examples enough to shine the light on the fact that the US is like that in all cases. lol
Cuba, Iran are the other two examples.

"Capriles claims Chavez has exploited his lengthy rule to balance the scales against a fair election, taking advantage of government money and slanted coverage in state media.

He is a strident critic of Chavez's expropriations of hundreds of businesses, apartment buildings and farms over the past decade."

So a government giving lots of money to it's citizens (over the World Banks) is a corrupt practice is it. lol Obviously the speaker is as stupid as his US handlers.
 

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Chavez is a man who outmaneuvered America and found a way to build a new South America.
Yes he is a strident individual but one who was elected fairly. The problem for the rich and the
powerful was the fact that Hugo gave poor people the vote and that never happened before. He
also decided that the rich and the upper middle class should not rule alone.
Chavez used the natural resources of his country to benefit the people of his country first and not
just the shareholders who own the stock markets of the world. No I don't blindly applaud all the
things he did or does for that matter but he change the futures of a lot of people both in his
homeland and even in America.
The problem for the industrialized world is that he was elected by the people with the same fair
election process as George W Bush got elected twice. There are always problems and he took
full advantage. America is not happy but Hugo has changed the face of South America as almost
all of it is swinging to the left and that was his goal. Hugo Chavez had a dream to create a new
nation as it were, a United States of South America.
People who are passionate on the left revere him as a revolutionary visionary. Those on the right
hate him with a passion. Remember his visit to the UN? People on the right were angry as hell
and claimed he admitted he was part of the axis of evil. Actually Hugo was making a joke when
he said the Devil was here last night and in his interview outside he was actually looking for a
meeting room when he said Apparently I am part of an axis of evil but I can't find the meeting room.
Again it was his off beat sense of humor more than anything.
The problem is the west often is its own worst enemy when it comes to foreign diplomacy. Remember
how shabby Castro was treated in New York when he first came to visit after taking power?
America isolated him instead of entering into some kind of understanding. Why did that happen?
Castro put an end to the mobsters running things, he educated the people, and he created a new
society despite the fact he operated a dictatorship for half a century. The real problem is he was
squeezed into the position because America didn't handle it right.
The west has to respect the other cultures of the world and when we fail to do that, we create the
Castro's and the Chavez's of the world and then we have to live with the consequences.
 

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The west has to respect the other cultures of the world and when we fail to do that, we create the
Castro's and the Chavez's of the world and then we have to live with the consequences.
You dumb ****, both those countries are much further ahead than if they had remained under US domination. Even Iran is miles ahead ebven with all the **** the US has done since '79.

Iran would do well to beg for mercy, and build up lots of supplies when the attack does come. Begging didn't world with Iraq. I'm sure Iran is well aware3 of that. Besides Israel can't attack Iran without taking control of Syria first. Mind you if they don'y having an Iranian allie right on the border and having some of Russia's newest weapons might make it a short war.
 

damngrumpy

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You missed my entire point didn't you? I said if the west and America didn't isolate these
countries they wouldn't have the problems they have with them. I agree these countries
are better off than if they had kept on the path America chose for them. Cuba is much
better off especially they created a society with some hope for the future instead of being
dominated by the mob and their children becoming 13 year old prostitutes and the average
peasant being illiterate. Chavez has improved the lives of the poor and the middle class
I agree. My point was that the West and especially America wouldn't have all the problems
it has if they didn't chose to isolate emerging nations with different ideas.
Even Iran is building a different society. My problem with Iran is is has become a fascist
country dominated by fundamentalist religion. We don't know yet whether the Iranians are
making a bomb. They probably are, but I still hear echo's of Weapons of Mass Destruction
that never did exist in Iraq. Once again Iran is a country the the CIA interfered with to put
in power a government resented by the people and in the long run it produced an nation that
is in conflict with the west and America.
 

bill barilko

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Chavez is a man who outmaneuvered America and found a way to build a new South America.
Posted like someone who's never been to South America and doesn't speak a word of either language.

FYI-Chavez is widely reviled from Colombia to Chile and everywhere in between.

He has bought some good will by giving away/squandering Venezuela's petro wealth.

For example a country like Trinidad that is literally next door and has all the oil it can use is given cheap gasoline so they can sell their oil on the world market-he also gives T&T Cheese for next to nothing.Mind you they still hate his guts but make no public comment.

No matter that the Venezuelan agriculture sector is a shambles-so much so that they need to import food from Colombia (and pay for it in yanqui dollars).

Some salient points from the Devil's Excrement.


 

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Venezuela was ruled by death squads in the US, some SA nations still are..

Iran isn't building the bomb and they have no intentions so you 'insight' is wrong. The trouble with leaving Iran alone is it would show the world that away from US influence a Nation can quickly adopt the UN human rights programs into their society very smoothly.. The UK and US have never operated according to those documents, their methods are still equal to passing out small-pox blankets to the Indian knowing what it would do to them and they were smiling when they did it. Perhaps it is time for Britannia to rule beneath the waves and leave the living alone..
 

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Chavez is a man who outmaneuvered America and found a way to build a new South America.
Yes he is a strident individual but one who was elected fairly. The problem for the rich and the
powerful was the fact that Hugo gave poor people the vote and that never happened before. He
also decided that the rich and the upper middle class should not rule alone.
Chavez used the natural resources of his country to benefit the people of his country first and not
just the shareholders who own the stock markets of the world. No I don't blindly applaud all the
things he did or does for that matter but he change the futures of a lot of people both in his
homeland and even in America.
The problem for the industrialized world is that he was elected by the people with the same fair
election process as George W Bush got elected twice. There are always problems and he took
full advantage. America is not happy but Hugo has changed the face of South America as almost
all of it is swinging to the left and that was his goal. Hugo Chavez had a dream to create a new
nation as it were, a United States of South America.
People who are passionate on the left revere him as a revolutionary visionary. Those on the right
hate him with a passion. Remember his visit to the UN? People on the right were angry as hell
and claimed he admitted he was part of the axis of evil. Actually Hugo was making a joke when
he said the Devil was here last night and in his interview outside he was actually looking for a
meeting room when he said Apparently I am part of an axis of evil but I can't find the meeting room.
Again it was his off beat sense of humor more than anything.
The problem is the west often is its own worst enemy when it comes to foreign diplomacy. Remember
how shabby Castro was treated in New York when he first came to visit after taking power?
America isolated him instead of entering into some kind of understanding. Why did that happen?
Castro put an end to the mobsters running things, he educated the people, and he created a new
society despite the fact he operated a dictatorship for half a century. The real problem is he was
squeezed into the position because America didn't handle it right.
The west has to respect the other cultures of the world and when we fail to do that, we create the
Castro's and the Chavez's of the world and then we have to live with the consequences.



 

MHz

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WTF??

See my remarks re:someone who has never been to South America and doesn't speak either Spanish nor Portuguese.

Please Stop PUI.
I don't need to speak Spanish to know about the 'School of America'.

POLITICS OF ASSASSINATION:
The Bloody Legacy of the US Army School of the Americas

By W. E. Gutman
Getting rid of someone is easy. Destroying popular aspirations takes more effort but you can always count on a volunteer or two to do the dirty work. For money; favors; influence; power--mostly power. When conventional methods-- elections, plebiscites, national referenda--fail, or when the results threaten the oligarchy, the US Army's School of the Americas, a shadowy but formidable war factory billeted at Fort Benning, Georgia, can help. There are not petty bureaucrats here, taking up space and stealing time until retirement. The SOA is a model institution. Its instructors and students are recruited from the cream of Latin America's military establishment. The curriculum includes: counterinsurgency, military intelligence, interrogation techniques, sniper fire, infantry and commando tactics, "irregular" and psychological warfare, jungle operations, among the most bellicose specialties. But Latin American soldiers at the SOA are not always trained to defend their borders from foreign invasion. They are taught--at US taxpayers' expense--to make war against their own people, to subvert the truth, silence poets, domesticate unruly visionaries, muzzle activist clergy, hinder trade unionism, hush the voices of dissidence and discontent, neutralize the poor, the hungry, the dispossessed, extinguish common dreams, irrigate fields of plenty with the tears of a captive society, and transform paladins and protesters into submissive vassals. Even if it kills them.
For the past two years, a group of US legislators, led by Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy II (D-MA), have vowed to shut down the facility/ "SOA graduates include dictators and soldiers implicated in gross human rights violations in Latin America," says Kennedy. "[Continued operation of] this facility suggests that the US has blessed such excesses. The SOA costs [the US] millions of dollars a year and identifies us with tyranny and oppression." In 1993 Kennedy sponsored an amendment to the House Defense Appropriations Bill calling for an end to the training provided at the SOA. The measure was defeated. Reintroduced in 1994, the amendment was again rejected. This time the defeat was sustained by a sixfold increase in the number of abstentions from the preceding year.
Founded in Panama in 1946--and relocated in 1984 to Fort Benning when Panamanian President Jorge Illueca evicted it-- calling it "the biggest base for destabilization in Latin America"--the SOA has trained over 60,000 Latin American and Caribbean basin soldiers. It has also produced some of the region's most despicable tyrants. The SOA is expected to graduate about 750 students in 1995.

IN A CLASS OF ITS OWN
http://pangaea.org/street_children/latin/soa.htm
 

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Anyway as long as that disgusting tyrant rots long & hard/suffers badly I'll be satisfied.

People in T&T will miss their cheese though-did you know that Trinidadian retailers sell imported Venezuelan cheese for 10% of what Canadians pay for domestic product?
 

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They say that about every country that 'gets away. Isn't 3 examples enough to shine the light on the fact that the US is like that in all cases. lol
Cuba, Iran are the other two examples.

"Capriles claims Chavez has exploited his lengthy rule to balance the scales against a fair election, taking advantage of government money and slanted coverage in state media.

He is a strident critic of Chavez's expropriations of hundreds of businesses, apartment buildings and farms over the past decade."

So a government giving lots of money to it's citizens (over the World Banks) is a corrupt practice is it. lol Obviously the speaker is as stupid as his US handlers.

Do you kep up with AI on their reports.
Venezuela | Amnesty International
 

mentalfloss

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Let me know when Americans start parading the streets like they did with Osama's death.