Why won't anyone say they are Jewish?

Locutus

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A lot of ink has been spilled chronicling the pro-Israel leanings of American neocons and fact that a the disproportionate percentage of them are Jewish. Some commentators are worried that these individuals – labeled ‘Likudniks’ for their links to Israel’s right wing Likud party – do not distinguish enough between American and Israeli interests. For example, whose interests were they protecting in pushing for war in Iraq?

Drawing attention to the Jewishness of the neocons is a tricky game. Anyone who does so can count on automatically being smeared as an anti-Semite. But the point is not that Jews (who make up less than 2 percent of the American population) have a monolithic perspective. Indeed, American Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat and many of them disagree strongly with Ariel Sharon’s policies and Bush’s aggression in Iraq. The point is simply that the neocons seem to have a special affinity for Israel that influences their political thinking and consequently American foreign policy in the Middle East.


the rest, and their list of 50:


Adbusters: Why won't anyone say they are Jewish?



Rather related:


NYTimes Credits Adbusters Mag With Launching OWS, Ignores Anti-Jewish Articles

 

earth_as_one

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I am against war criminals and people who commit crimes against humanity regardless of religion or nationality. Some Israelis and Palestinians commit war crimes. Israel's blockade of food and medical humanitarian aid is a crime against humanity.

A ceasefire between Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups agreed in January 2009 was generally respected. The Israeli army maintained draconian controls on the movement of Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), including a blockade on the Gaza Strip that deepened hardship and virtually imprisoned the entire population of 1.5 million. The Israeli authorities rejected or delayed applications for permits to leave Gaza submitted by hundreds of Palestinians requiring specialist medical treatment; a few died as a result. Most of Gaza’s inhabitants depended on international aid, which was severely hampered by the blockade. In May, Israeli forces killed nine men aboard an aid flotilla in international waters that was aiming to breach the blockade. In the West Bank, the movement of Palestinians was severely curtailed by hundreds of Israeli checkpoints and barriers, and by the 700km fence/wall that Israel continued to build mostly inside the West Bank. There was a substantial increase in the number of demolitions by Israeli authorities of Palestinian homes, water cisterns and other structures in the West Bank, affecting thousands of people. Israeli authorities also destroyed homes in Bedouin villages in the south of Israel. The expansion of illegal Israeli settlements on seized Palestinian land, partially frozen until 26 September, resumed. Israel still did not conduct adequate investigations into alleged war crimes and other serious violations of international law by its forces during Operation “Cast Lead”, the 22-day offensive in Gaza in December 2008/January 2009, during which nearly 1,400 Palestinians, including more than 300 children, were killed. Israeli soldiers and settlers who committed serious abuses against Palestinians, including unlawful killings, assaults and attacks against property, were generally not held to account for their crimes. Israeli military forces killed 33 Palestinian civilians in the OPT, including eight children. Hundreds of Palestinians were arrested and detained by Israeli forces; at least 264 were held without charge or trial under administrative detention orders, some had been held for over two years. Reports of torture and other ill-treatment were frequent, but investigations were rare. Around 6,000 Palestinians remained in Israeli prisons, many after unfair military trials. Israeli conscientious objectors to military service continued to be imprisoned.
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

FYI: some of the above information is out of date. Israel completed a partial investigation of war crimes regarding Operation Cast lead, unlike Hamas in Gaza which did nothing as far as I know.
 
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In Between Man

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I am against war criminals and people who commit war crimes regardless of religion or nationality.

Then you should drop your case for a Palestinian state because committing war crimes is the M.O. for the majority of Palestinians:

HUMAN SHIELD - HUMAN SHIELDING - YouTube

(And don't bother posting more material from corrupt organizations like the UN or Amnesty International - I won't buy it.)
 

earth_as_one

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I can understand how its possible to hate an individual, but I can't understand how someone can hate an entire group of people. Perhaps you can explain this A...
 

In Between Man

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I can understand how its possible to hate an individual, but I can't understand how someone can hate an entire group of people. Perhaps you can explain this A...

I don't hate anyone or any group of people. I love Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims and so forth because they're human beings. What I hate is what they stand for and some of their actions.

Nothing would please me more to see them recognize the truth so we can be true brothers and sisters, side by side in peace. But they don't want peace, they want "death to the Jew", who are also my brothers and sisters.
 

petros

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Everybody has done gone and un-holied the Holyland and made a big ol mess. Let the Buddhists take a whack and fixing it. Sub it out.
 

damngrumpy

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Actually the whole world has been entertained by this drama for centuries.
If you go back to the time of the Old Testament, both of these peoples were
the Children of Abraham. Now Abe had his own family but like a lot of men
of the time he had a mistress a slave woman, and she had a son and the
wife didn't like that much so she sent the girl packing and the trouble began
from then on. The Jews are quite happy to claim they are Jews and the
other people who are not Jewish don't want to sign up what other reason
could there be.
To be straight about this, there are Jews who want peace and don't agree with
their leadership or the present Government. On the other side there are many
Arabs that have Jewish friends and they don't want the conflict to go on any
longer either. What we have is two hard line groups that don't want peace at any
level. This is no longer even a religious conflict its a political fight between two
groups of idiots and no one wants to solve anything including we in the west.
Arms sales bring in too much money and peace mongers destroy the high price
and demand for bullets.
 

Cliffy

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I wouldn't admit to being Jewish.

Oh... Right... I'm not.

I really don't like to admit that I'm British. Does that count?
 

DurkaDurka

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I don't hate anyone or any group of people. I love Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims and so forth because they're human beings. What I hate is what they stand for and some of their actions.

Nothing would please me more to see them recognize the truth so we can be true brothers and sisters, side by side in peace. But they don't want peace, they want "death to the Jew", who are also my brothers and sisters.

How can you just make blanket statements like this? You're making all sort of assumptions.
 

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Locutus

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Adbuster, dead link

Works just fine dude. But here's your copy anyway:

Friends help each other out. That’s why the US sends billions of dollars every year to Israel. In return, Israel advances US strategic interests in the Middle East. But despite this mutual back scratching, Israeli-American relations are enduring a rough patch. Last December, a senior State Department official blasted Israel for having “done too little for far too long” to resolve the conflict with its Palestinian neighbors. Indeed, President Bush himself had scolded Israel a month earlier with his demand that “Israel should freeze settlement construction, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people and not prejudice final negotiations with the building of walls and fences.”

Harsh words, but is it all just window-dressing? This was not the first time Bush criticized Israel and he has made numerous calls for a “viable” Palestinian state during his presidency. Nevertheless, he has never concretely punished Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon for ignoring US directives and shrugging off his commitment to the peace process. It’s also worth noting that diplomatic admonitions are the responsibility of the State Department which has been on the losing end of the policy wars in Bush’s White House. One wonders what Israeli-American relations, and indeed what American relations with the rest of the world would look
like if the neocon hawks who control Rumsfeld’s Defense Department were also in charge at State.

A lot of ink has been spilled chronicling the pro-Israel leanings of American neocons and fact that a the disproportionate percentage of them are Jewish. Some commentators are worried that these individuals – labeled ‘Likudniks’ for their links to Israel’s right wing Likud party – do not distinguish enough between American and Israeli interests. For example, whose interests were they protecting in pushing for war in Iraq?

Drawing attention to the Jewishness of the neocons is a tricky game. Anyone who does so can count on automatically being smeared as an anti-Semite. But the point is not that Jews (who make up less than 2 percent of the American population) have a monolithic perspective. Indeed, American Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat and many of them disagree strongly with Ariel Sharon’s policies and Bush’s aggression in Iraq. The point is simply that the neocons seem to have a special affinity for Israel that influences their political thinking and consequently American foreign policy in the Middle East.

Here at Adbusters, we decided to tackle the issue head on and came up with a carefully researched list of who appear to be the 50 most influential neocons in the US (see above). Deciding exactly who is a neocon is difficult since some neocons reject the term while others embrace it. Some shape policy from within the White House, while others are more peripheral, exacting influence indirectly as journalists, academics and think tank policy wonks. What they all share is the view that the US is a benevolent hyper power that must protect itself by reshaping the rest of the world into its morally superior image. And half of the them are Jewish.


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