All we are saying is give peace a chance


Jay
#31
I'm not scared of peace in the least, I just don't think it is something we are going to see ...a world without a single war, or a single conflict.

If your going to slam a few planes into buildings expect we will act.
 
selfactivated
#32
I know I keep sounding like mary poppins (actually I used to BE a nanny lol ) but I still dont see how one step at a time will hurt? Caring on the simplist levels and changing the attitudes of your "clan" one "clan" at a time. In the end ALL the "clans" will have the same BASE beliefs of allowing others their beliefs, atytitudes......whatever. Do you see my point (I just woke up so im a bit foggy please forgive me)
 
Jay
#33
Quote:

but I still dont see how one step at a time will hurt?

I'm not going to fight you on it.
 
selfactivated
#34
I know for you, THATS one step kind sir *smile*
 
Jay
#35
Why would I get in the way of your kindness toward others?
 
Vereya
#36
I don't think there can ever be peace. When you come to think about it, all the conflicts in this world are about power or money. As long as such things as power and money exist in this world, there will be people who would want to get more and more of both, and there will be others, who would fight to keep what they have and to get more, too. So I am afraid that borders will always exist and constant peace will remain a dream.
 
selfactivated
#37
You'd be amazed. People get scared of people like me. They say Im not realistic and nutty. Which I am. Ive had family members try to put me away because I would go down into Providence and just talk (not preach) to hookers and drug addics. My ex when we first met got pissed because I was trying to help a deaf man get back together with his wife. And on and on. People seem afraid of kindness and peace. My friend helped me "get it" by explaining to me that people have a comfort zone in anger, victimhood, hatred.......so on, because its all they know. And when you think outside the box its strange at first.....scary.......(my hardest one is victimhood, when things are going to good I start a fight with friends.....they always love you no matter what ......well til reciently) and at times you run back to what you know ......fear. Not sure Im explaining this well, I do know that in my life the norm is becoming peace.
 
mabudon
#38
To Cosmo- SO negative!! Cheer up, a lot of things don't work on large scales, but can be made out of many tiny pieces- sometimes looking at the "big picture" can just be confusing. I should re-define "meek" for you perhaps (the way I'm sure it was intended in the bible and other places), since it is unfortunate you do not subscribe to the doctrine anymore, despite the inevitability of it. "meek" is NOT taken by me to mean "wallflowers" or people who don't have self-worth, but rather those whos self worth is very much based on the WHOLE of our earthly existence, and who judge their "success" on their treatment of the things and people around them... if EVERYONE on the planet truly "cared" about things on the most basic levels, things would be better, but it will take more than that, it will take these people (the "meek") sticking to their guns, as kindness can spread much more quickly than viciousness and with many more self-rewarding fruits- violence begets both winners and losers, TRUE kindness and understanding usually will produce nothing BUT winners- with this simple idea in mind, it is hard to see how one could EVER win out over the other. In the end, only thos who learn to live WITH both the planet AND their fellow man will be left, and if this never comes to pass, then the animal "meek" who are usually seen to be below us will be the only ones left (which is the grim interpretation but hell, it's true and it'd look like the pics on them jehovahs witness tracts minus the chubby children) and they, having no aspirations for control or power in a global or even regional sense will be left to live their lives in peace.... I'm personally gunning (pun sorta intended, just in an ironic sense) for the former, "humans smart themselves up and we all can get on with it" resolution

Like selfactivated said (and I truly believe) you have to apply the "think globally, act locally" mentality to things...
As mentioned before, and it is NO JOKE, good deeds can make EVERYONE win...

Ironically, it makes me sad to hear folks say "that's impossible" to a world where humans realize (in both the understanding AND the actual "making it so" sense) our true potential- there will always be some forms of disagreement, but that should be the extent of it, since disagreeing is natural for individuals, but if such a world is "impossible" then we as a race are most certailnly doomed, and I just can't believe that. I have seen to much to believe that folks worldwide honestly want this, and believe that it is the nature of certain systems to make it a reality (like the definition of economics, satisfying infinite greed with finite resources) Greed is NOT natural unless it is beneficial (like in a situation where after YEARS of starvation, a HUGE number of prey become available and the "consumers" attempt to preserve a larger-then-usual amount just in case said period of starvation comes back) or could be seen to be such... the examples of human greed I see almost every day are either born out of an artificially-created "starvation" or just plain stupidity/vanity.

Hope at leats some of this makes sense, don't lose hope Selfactivated, there's more of us out here
 
surf girl
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by Naci_Sey

Dreams are the stuff of hope and for some of us, hope drives action. Nothing wrong with dreams if they impel us to make change.

very interesting!! i agree with you, i am fueled by dreams.
 
selfactivated
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by mabudon

To Cosmo- SO negative!! Cheer up, a lot of things don't work on large scales, but can be made out of many tiny pieces- sometimes looking at the "big picture" can just be confusing. I should re-define "meek" for you perhaps (the way I'm sure it was intended in the bible and other places), since it is unfortunate you do not subscribe to the doctrine anymore, despite the inevitability of it. "meek" is NOT taken by me to mean "wallflowers" or people who don't have self-worth, but rather those whos self worth is very much based on the WHOLE of our earthly existence, and who judge their "success" on their treatment of the things and people around them... if EVERYONE on the planet truly "cared" about things on the most basic levels, things would be better, but it will take more than that, it will take these people (the "meek") sticking to their guns, as kindness can spread much more quickly than viciousness and with many more self-rewarding fruits- violence begets both winners and losers, TRUE kindness and understanding usually will produce nothing BUT winners- with this simple idea in mind, it is hard to see how one could EVER win out over the other. In the end, only thos who learn to live WITH both the planet AND their fellow man will be left, and if this never comes to pass, then the animal "meek" who are usually seen to be below us will be the only ones left (which is the grim interpretation but hell, it's true and it'd look like the pics on them jehovahs witness tracts minus...

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Again.....WOW! I truely wish I had you eloquence.

Ive been staying away from a term that is used in my circles alot. Its called "collective Consciousness" Is it a term that yall are aware of or is it not wide known?
 
selfactivated
#41
Ive done a little research and I'll leave two of the links Ive been looking at. Most of what Ive found is treaties or very long papers that I couldnt understand.

Definition
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_consciousness (external - login to view)

This guys a doctor but he seems to have an easier style to read (he didnt give me a head ache)

Robert Kenny

www.collectivewisdominitiativ...ny_science.htm (external - login to view)
 

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