lefties come out of your closet


FiveParadox
#61
Wonderful post, s_lone, and so true.
 
china
#62
s_lone wrote
There's nothing wrong about right or left. right=individual freedom and rights; and left =communal princFrom my point of view, iples, social solidarity, common laws.

In today's world we need a careful balance of both. But in the end the only right direction is forwards.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is everything wrong about the left ,everything . I was going to respond to your post and explain few things ,but I've changed my mind ,let me just say that people of average mentality have the ability to talk about the daily events ,those with below average mentality ,they talk about other people .You usually find these people on the left side of the spectrum.Those with above average mentality ,dont talk ,they produce .It is very fair thing to say (kind of scarry too) that if not of the Right ,Canada would be a 3rd world country.
Can you explain what do you mean by communal prncipal ?/do you need to live in a commune because you don't know how to take care of yourself or you are just a lazy bum....what the f...is the social solidarity ???do you know what "solidarity " is ,,,not what it means,ant the "careful balance of both ??// man you are not slightly leaning to the left , you are a fully pledged libereal or an ndp,er with mouth full off safisticated jarrgon ,and no substane behind it.
 
Finder
#63
Quote: Originally Posted by s_lone

There's nothing wrong about right or left. From my point of view, right=individual freedom and rights; and left =communal principles, social solidarity, common laws.

In today's world we need a careful balance of both. But in the end the only right direction is forwards.

Personally, I lean slightly to the left. But I'm not simple-minded enough to justify my thoughts and boost my self-esteem by insulting any right-wing person or idea.


Somewhat but as you get far left and far right (which none of our political parties here in Canada are) the spectrum and what they believe in get extremely skewed, and lines blur.

I'm a left-righty. A Social Socialist, and an economic neo-labour democrat, I guess you could call me. My economics are close to Tony Blairs.
 
s_lone
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by china

s_lone wrote
There's nothing wrong about right or left. right=individual freedom and rights; and left =communal princFrom my point of view, iples, social solidarity, common laws.
In today's world we need a careful balance of both. But in the end the only right direction is forwards.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is everything wrong about the left ,everything . I was going to respond to your post and explain few things ,but I've changed my mind ,let me just say that people of average mentality have the ability to talk about the daily events ,those with below average mentality ,they talk about other people .You usually find these people on the left side of the spectrum.Those with above average mentality ,dont talk ,they produce .It is very fair thing to say (kind of scarry too) that if not of the Right ,Canada would be a 3rd world country.
Can you explain what do you mean by communal prncipal ?/do you need to live in a commune because you don't know how to take care of yourself or you are just a lazy bum....what the f...is the social solidarity ???do you know what "solidarity " is ,,,not what it means,ant the "careful balance of both ??// man you are not slightly leaning to the left , you are a fully pledged libereal or an ndp,er with mouth full off safisticated jarrgon ,and no substane behind it.

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I'm not too sure what your problem is but let me make myslef clear.

There is the individual and there is the mass of beings. The mass of beings seems to have a life of its own, as does the individual.

If you look at the story of your life with a minimum of objectivity, you will find that a lot of it consists of a struggle between the desire to be unique (an individual) and a desire to be part of everything (the mass). There is a constant battle between both needs. My understanding of "left" and "right" has to do with this concept. "Left" = mass... everything... while "right" =individuality... uniqueness.

From this fairly neutral way of understanding the left and right concept, I really don't see why one would be worst than another.

It's a bit like Yin and Yang, both principles are completely essential.
 
s_lone
#65
China,

Here's to complete my post and answer your questions.

You are not alone. You are part of a larger whole in which a multitude of individuals are trying to become themselves. You are most likely born from a mother and father and most likely have something that you can call a family. This family is partly responsible for the way you've become an individual . In the same way, the society that you consider yours is your "family" and you are intimately connected to this social construct.

What is social solidarity? It can be many things. From taking care of handicapped people to "normal" depressed people; from taking care of the elderly who worked their *** off for many many years.

What are communal principals? The acceptance that we are all inter-connected. A law is a communal principle.

If it wasn't for the right Canda would be a 3rd world country (this is what China said)

I say: if it wasn't for the "left", we would already be part of the United States of America. The left in Canada has had the important role in creating a distinct social construct. Quebec is a strong example of the "left" and "right" simultaneously expressing itself; a mass of people affirming their social solidarity, but at the same time affirming its uniqueness.
 
china
#66
Thanks for your reply ,China.
 
china
#67
s-lone said: If you look at the story of your life with a minimum of objectivity, you will find that a lot of it consists of a struggle between the desire to be unique (an individual) and a desire to be part of everything (the mass). There is a constant battle between both needs. My understanding of "left" and "right" has to do with this concept. "Left" = mass... everything... while "right" =individuality... uniqueness-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don,t know what planet you came from but here on the planet earth everyone is born unique.,its just a biological fact ,you can't do anyting about it.If you have a healthy mind you will relize that fact at a very young age ,and you will conclude that you can't live someone elses life and you sure don't want anyone living your life.But there is also another group of people they who.....oh **** ,Ive got a feeling that I"m talking to a nutcase.
 
s_lone
#68
China, you obviously don't get a word I'm saying. And implying I'm a nutcase is a pretty poor way to get your point of view across.

Like you said, we are indeed all unique. Not hard to figure that out. But for a strong majority of people on this planet, your uniqueness is irrelevant; you are just another stranger.

Your socio-cultural upbringing (your heritage) is the main building material of your individuality and it really belongs to a larger whole. You didn't invent your culture and it that sense, you didn't invent yourself. We are always part of a 'larger whole' and a lot more times than you think, this 'larger whole' acts through you. For example, all your biological needs are not an expression of your individuality but of the human species (the larger whole).

In a riot, most participants are not acting as individuals but as 'part of the crowd'. "The crowd" has a life of it's own.

My understanding of the left and right concepts has to do with the duality between the will to individualize ourselves, to rise above the crowd, and the need to be part of the "larger wholes" such as your family, your community, your nation, etc.

From that point of view, there is nothing wrong with right or left. All we can aim for is a healthy and delicately balanced equilibrium. We need to be lucid individuals but we can't do this by isolating ourselves from the rest of the world.

An out of control "right" creates blind individualism and leads to chaos. It creates an incapacity to reach global agreements that are advantageous to every one.

An out of control "left" denies the individual needs of each and necessarily ends up favouring a few individuals to the disadvantage of many.

Is this clear? Do you understand my point of view?

You probably have a different understanding of left and right. Please elaborate...
 
china
#69
Hi s_lone,Thanks for the response to my "unfinished letter.I have reade it few times , and no , I see no reason to elaborate.You are not a "nutcase",I've said that in "desperation" ,after reading your letter,and trying to respond to it.Let me just say that you have an excellent command of English ,you know how to put your imagination on a "paper" and I think you'd be a good fiction writer.Good Luck ,China
 

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