Wow! Cops Now Ticketing Drivers Who Leave Windows Open!


wizard
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... what a joke the police are! now those losers are issuing tickets to people who leave their car windows open!

... story HERE (external - login to view) ...

... the cops sure feel they get to abuse people who drive cars, don't they?
 
CDNBear
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Leaving parked vehicle

191 (1) A motor vehicle must be equipped with a lock or other device to prevent the unauthorized use of the motor vehicle.
(2) A driver must not permit a motor vehicle to stand unattended or parked unless the driver has
(a) locked it or made it secure in a manner that prevents its unauthorized use, and
(b) if the motor vehicle is standing on a grade, turned the front wheels of the vehicle to the curb or side of the highway.



Seems reasonable to me, especially in front of a school.
 
wizard
+1
#3
... seems to me these little known laws should be made public. but then keeping them secret is much more lucrative, isn't it?
 
CDNBear
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#4
Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... seems to me these little known laws should be made public.

They are...

Motor Vehicle Act (external - login to view)

There you go, public.

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but then keeping them secret is much more lucrative, isn't it?

If you think the world is out to get you, sure.
 
wizard
+1 / -1
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... i think this is a clear cut case of a mental case cop stalking a helpless woman ...
 
CDNBear
+1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... i think this is a clear cut case of a mental case cop stalking a helpless woman ...

Ummm...

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

If you think the world is out to get you, sure.

 
wizard
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Leaving parked vehicle

191 (1) A motor vehicle must be equipped with a lock or other device to prevent the unauthorized use of the motor vehicle.
(2) A driver must not permit a motor vehicle to stand unattended or parked unless the driver has
(a) locked it or made it secure in a manner that prevents its unauthorized use, and
(b) if the motor vehicle is standing on a grade, turned the front wheels of the vehicle to the curb or side of the highway.



Seems reasonable to me, especially in front of a school.

... it says something about closing your car windows in that? nope ...
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... it says something about closing your car windows in that? nope ...

You're funny.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... it says something about closing your car windows in that? nope ...

Do you not understand how a window works?
 
CDNBear
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#10
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Do you not understand how a window works?

That's a trick question right?
 
wizard
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Leaving parked vehicle

191 (1) A motor vehicle must be equipped with a lock or other device to prevent the unauthorized use of the motor vehicle.
(2) A driver must not permit a motor vehicle to stand unattended or parked unless the driver has
(a) locked it or made it secure in a manner that prevents its unauthorized use, and
(b) if the motor vehicle is standing on a grade, turned the front wheels of the vehicle to the curb or side of the highway.



Seems reasonable to me, especially in front of a school.

... if the above is the justification for ticketing people who leave their car windows open then the part about it being illegal to leave your windows open definitely is top secret. seems only the cops know about it because it's not in the legislation ...
 
CDNBear
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#12
Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... if the above is the justification for ticketing people who leave their car windows open then the part about it being illegal to leave your windows open definitely is top secret. seems only the cops know about it because it's not in the legislation ...

Yes it is, you just have to have the ability to use logic and a minimal understanding of the English language.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

That's a trick question right?

Well, not usually.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Well, not usually.

Yet here we are.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Yet here we are.

So it would seem.

Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... if the above is the justification for ticketing people who leave their car windows open then the part about it being illegal to leave your windows open definitely is top secret. seems only the cops know about it because it's not in the legislation ...

Sigh...an open window would enable someone to reach in and unlock the door, therefore an open window equals an unsecured vehicle.
 
JLM
+4
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... what a joke the police are! now those losers are issuing tickets to people who leave their car windows open!

... story HERE (external - login to view) ...

... the cops sure feel they get to abuse people who drive cars, don't they?

Not that big of a joke, Wiz, when you leave your car window open and your car or the possessions within get swiped and you report it to the cops, how much money do you think the taxpayer gets hit with before the file is closed?
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Not that big of a joke, Wiz, when you leave your car window open and your car or the possessions within get swiped and you report it to the cops, how much money do you think the taxpayer gets hit with before the file is closed?

Really? Using logic with the wiz?

What are you thinking?
 
wizard
+1 / -1
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Not that big of a joke, Wiz, when you leave your car window open and your car or the possessions within get swiped and you report it to the cops, how much money do you think the taxpayer gets hit with before the file is closed?

... oh, it's a tax savings scheme? sounds more like a phony ticket scam to me ...
 
CDNBear
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... oh, it's a tax savings scheme? sounds more like a phony ticket scam to me ...

Ummm...

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

If you think the world is out to get you, sure.

 
wizard
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

So it would seem.


Sigh...an open window would enable someone to reach in and unlock the door, therefore an open window equals an unsecured vehicle.

... there is no such thing as a secure car, even one that's locked with the windows up. how easy is it for a tow truck to haul a vehicle away? the government does it all the time for parking violations. are those cars secure? hardly ...

... it would take a hell of a lot more than a closed window to secure a car -- you'd basically have to put a car in a locked vault to truly secure it ...
 
CDNBear
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#21
Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... there is no such thing as a secure car, even one that's locked with the windows up.

According to the law, there is a legal definition.

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how easy is it for a tow truck to haul a vehicle away?

That's not unauthorized use...

(a) locked it or made it secure in a manner that prevents its unauthorized use

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the government does it all the time for parking violations. are those cars secure? hardly ...

See above.

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... it would take a hell of a lot more than a closed window to secure a car -- you'd basically have to put a car in a locked vault to truly secure it ...

Ummm...

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

If you think the world is out to get you, sure.

 
SLM
+2
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... there is no such thing as a secure car, even one that's locked with the windows up. how easy is it for a tow truck to haul a vehicle away? the government does it all the time for parking violations. are those cars secure? hardly ...

... it would take a hell of a lot more than a closed window to secure a car -- you'd basically have to put a car in a locked vault to truly secure it ...


Well, nothing is idiot proof that's for sure.

 
TenPenny
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#23
The only way they could justify using that law to nail people for leaving their windows open is if the car has no ignition lock.
 
wizard
+1
#24
... does closing car windows actually prevent unauthorized use? not if you feel that those closed windows prevent access to the vehicle. closed windows can easily be dealt with through the use of a rock or a brick ...
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

The only way they could justify using that law to nail people for leaving their windows open is if the car has no ignition lock.

Until the 80's many vehicles didn't have a transmission lock.

Meaning it could be taken out of park.

Until the 90's, cars could be started with a screwdriver.

An antiquated law, but it still exists, he used it reasonably.

Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... does closing car windows actually prevent unauthorized use? not if you feel that those closed windows prevent access to the vehicle. closed windows can be easily be dealt with through the use of a rock or a brick ...

More secure than leaving it wide open.
 
TenPenny
+2
#26
That ticket could never stand up in a court of law.

'locked OR other device to prevent unauthorized use'....the crown would have to prove that the ignition switch did not prevent unauthorized use.

I think it's a great way to waste time and resources that could be used for something useful. I'd fight that ticket, and I'd win. Easy as pie. Cops probably wouldn't even show up for court, and the judge would laugh them out of the building even if they did.
 
wizard
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

More secure than leaving it wide open.

... nope. a closed window is no deterrent to theft. i actually had some stereo equipment ripped off from a locked car with the windows up. the thief even relocked the car after he took the gear. other than the missing equipment, i didn't even know it had been opened ...

... this story is another sign that harper's police force is on the way out ...
 
Sparrow
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#28
Leaving a park car window open is considered both by the police and your insurance as facilitating or contributing to someone stealing your car. If your car is as secure as you can make when you leave it and it gets towed away you are not responsible.
 
CDNBear
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

That ticket could never stand up in a court of law.

'locked OR other device to prevent unauthorized use'....the crown would have to prove that the ignition switch did not prevent unauthorized use.

I think it's a great way to waste time and resources that could be used for something useful. I'd fight that ticket, and I'd win. Easy as pie. Cops probably wouldn't even show up for court, and the judge would laugh them out of the building even if they did.

I think a creative crown could argue that not installing an encrypted electronic dead man, was a failure to meet 191 (a). Especially considering todays industrious and enterprising youth.

The argument can go both ways.

Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... nope. a closed window is no deterrent to theft. i actually had some stereo equipment ripped off from a locked car with the windows up. the thief even relocked the car after he took the gear. i didn't even know it had been opened ...

It's still a barrier.

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... this story is another sign that harper's police force is on the way out ...

LOL< the Motor vehicle Act is provincial.
 
TenPenny
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by SparrowView Post

Leaving a park car window open is considered both by the police and your insurance as facilitating or contributing to someone stealing your car. If your car is as secure as you can make when you leave it and it gets towed away you are not responsible.

That's not what the law says, and that's not what the section she got a ticket for says.

Not a chance in hell it would stand up in court.
 
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