Tory MP's call to revisit rights-of-unborn law fuels abortion debate


mentalfloss
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Tory MP's call to revisit rights-of-unborn law fuels abortion debate

An Ontario Conservative MP says it is time for Parliament to take another look at whether basic human rights should be granted to unborn babies – a move that would put the emotionally charged issue of abortion back on the public agenda.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said repeatedly that his government will not reopen the abortion debate.

But Stephen Woodworth, the MP for Kitchener-Centre, says there is no reason that Canadians can’t have a rational conversation about the matter. “I am just hoping to launch a discussion and let people know what the situation is,” he said in telephone interview.

In a news release issued Wednesday that does not mention abortion directly, Mr. Woodworth points out that the Canadian statute that defines a human being as someone who is completely separate from the mother’s body has its roots in British legal treatises written in the 17th century.

The important question, he said, is whether a 400-year-old law is supported by 21st-century medical science and principles of human rights.

“Whatever view one has on abortion, it would be important to know whether a child is a human being,” he told The Globe and Mail. “And I think it is really ridiculous, in a way, that we have a 400-year-old definition of a human being that has important human-rights implications.”

Mr. Woodworth said, for now, he will see where the public discussion goes and “it may be that in the new year I will take it to another step.”

He did not say what that next step might be. But reports that trickled out of the federal Conservative caucus after the party won a majority government last spring suggested that Mr. Harper had warned his MPs he did not want backbench moves to reopen the abortion issue.

Mr. Harper tried during the election campaign to put to rest the notion that a Conservative government would introduce laws to reduce access to abortions.

“As long as I am Prime Minister, we are not opening the abortion debate,” Mr. Harper declared. “The government will not bring forward any such legislation, and any such legislation that is brought forward will be defeated as long as I am Prime Minister.”

When asked if Mr. Harper knew of Mr. Woodworth’s call for a discussion about the rights of unborn children, a spokeswoman in the Prime Minister’s Office: “We have always been clear, our government has no intention to reopen this debate.”

Liberal MP Carolyn Bennett said Mr. Harper “is the most controlling prime minister we have ever known” and there is no way that a backbench MP like Mr. Woodworth could issue a press release without his knowledge.

“The Prime Minister promised this wouldn’t be reopened during the election, and here it is again,” Ms. Bennett said.

Françoise Boivin, the NDP critic for the status of women, said Mr. Woodworth is a very smart person who has crafted his message in a way that does not appear to address abortion directly. Instead, she said, he asks what seems to be a “benign” question about an outdated law.

“I think it is a bit devious,” Ms. Boivin said. “My question to him would be, ‘Okay, now, why do you want to do that?’”

In 2010, Mr. Harper voted against a private-member’s bill introduced by Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge that would have added new Criminal Code penalties for those who coerce women to have an abortion.

But many Conservative MPs remain strongly opposed to abortion and some, including Maurice Vellacott, Brad Trost and Leon Benoit, have been quite public in their opposition, apparently without sanction from the Prime Minister.

Canada has no legal restrictions on abortion.

The Conservative government of Brian Mulroney tried in 1990 to pass a law that would severely limit access to abortions. It made it through the House of Commons, but was defeated in the Senate in 1991. Since that time, abortion has been treated like all other medical procedures.

Tory MP's call to revisit rights-of-unborn law fuels abortion debate - The Globe and Mail
 
petros
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Oh goodie!

What kind of rights do these things get?

Human or Animal?

BBC NEWS | Health | Plan to create human-cow embryos (external - login to view)
 
taxslave
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Fear not he is simply (pun intended) telling his supporters what they want to hear so they will donate more to his pension campaign. Happens every few months.
 
gerryh
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Wow, between this and Harper telling the americans what for with the oil pipeline. I may have to rethink my Liberal support.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Fear not he is simply (pun intended) telling his supporters what they want to hear so they will donate more to his pension campaign. Happens every few months.

Exactly. Support must be waning in a few religious neighbourhoods.
 
Spade
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Oh goodie!

What kind of rights do these things get?

Human or Animal?

BBC NEWS | Health | Plan to create human-cow embryos (external - login to view)

As I saw as reported on Shatner's "Weird or What?!", a monkey-human hybrid went ape in India's capital terrorizing the entire city. Even though the chimera remains at large, if captured, would he get a fair trial as a jury of his peers would be nigh impossible to assemble?
 
Cliffy
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"You may begin to undermine the whole distinction between humans animals and humans"


Calum MacKellar

Can anybody explain what is the difference between an animal and a human? Is it our self perceived intellect or our bloated egos?


 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Wow, between this and Harper telling the americans what for with the oil pipeline. I may have to rethink my Liberal support.

Really? Why? Do you think Harper is putting this backbencher up to it?
 
bluebyrd35
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Really? Why? Do you think Harper is putting this backbencher up to it?

Because he is into religion, because he is into control.......my word, simply look at the route HE has chosen for Canada, against how Canadians want this country to go. It does not want to be a clone of the US.
 
Colpy
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I would like to see Canada's extremist position on abortion "rights" moderated in law........

But that simply is not going to happen.

So you can all relax.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

"You may begin to undermine the whole distinction between humans animals and humans"


Calum MacKellar

Can anybody explain what is the difference between an animal and a human? Is it our self perceived intellect or our bloated egos?


Well we have a tendency to eat more of them than they of us. One difference.
And if you value a chickens life over a persons well I will leave it at that.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Because he is into religion, because he is into control.......my word, simply look at the route HE has chosen for Canada, against how Canadians want this country to go. It does not want to be a clone of the US.

I LOVE you guys!!! SOOO self-deluded it is hilarious!

First of all, Harper wants a debate on abortion about as much as he wants a case of shingles and scabies simultaneously.

Secondly, he was ELECTED.

Thirdly, 62% of Canadians think Canada is going in the RIGHT direction.

Fourth, we are not, and will never be a clone of the USA.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

I LOVE you guys!!! SOOO self-deluded it is hilarious!

First of all, Harper wants a debate on abortion about as much as he wants a case of shingles and scabies simultaneously.

Secondly, he was ELECTED.

Thirdly, 62% of Canadians think Canada is going in the RIGHT direction.

Fourth, we are not, and will never be a clone of the USA.

The extreme left does not like it that Canada is right at the top of the list of Countries in good financial shape.
 
Goober
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[QUOTE=mentalfloss;1523248]Tory MP's call to revisit rights-of-unborn law fuels abortion debate

I take it that you are aware that many Liberals are anti abortion or in favor of restrictions, such as prohibiting late term abortions.
But that is OK, they are Liberals.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Because he is into religion, because he is into control.......my word, simply look at the route HE has chosen for Canada, against how Canadians want this country to go. It does not want to be a clone of the US.

Oh my gosh he's "into religion"!!!? But, how can he do that? Everyone's told me that people who are "into religion" should stay out of politics. Did Harper know when he ran for public office that it was expected of him to compartmentalize his beliefs?!
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Because he is into religion, because he is into control.......my word, simply look at the route HE has chosen for Canada, against how Canadians want this country to go. It does not want to be a clone of the US.

I see a dedicated Liberal runs thru.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

I see a dedicated Liberal runs thru.

More like an extreme leftard.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

"You may begin to undermine the whole distinction between humans animals and humans"


Calum MacKellar

Can anybody explain what is the difference between an animal and a human? Is it our self perceived intellect or our bloated egos?




You're not going to like my answer, but here it is any ways. God put animals on earth for mankinds stewardship and use.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

You're not going to like my answer, but here it is any ways. God put animals on earth for mankinds stewardship and use.

And enjoyment!

httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvysKAVyXi0J4

 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

You're not going to like my answer, but here it is any ways. God put animals on earth for mankinds stewardship and use.

Stewardship is right. Dominion is a deliberate mistranslation. None the less, humans are animal and I view other animals as my kin.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Stewardship is right. Dominion is a deliberate mistranslation. None the less, humans are animal and I view other animals as my kin.


That I couldn't do, as I like meat, and I know that they were put on this earth for our use. For me to consider an animal as my "kin" that would make me a cannibal. We hold dominion over every living thing. We ARE at the top of the food chain. Now I'm not saying that we have done a bang up job when it comes to our stewardship of those that He gave of us dominion over, but the fact, imo, is that is what they are here for.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Stewardship is right. Dominion is a deliberate mistranslation. None the less, humans are animal and I view other animals as my kin.

Are you a vegatarian?
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Are you a vegatarian?

All living things are my kin, including vegetables and fruit. Only eating humans is considered cannibalism. In a pinch, I might consider that option.
 
damngrumpy
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The political right wants to turn back the clock, and besides they have nothing new
to offer in the way of progress with regard to the economy or jobs. Wait till America
sinks in 2012 and we are in trouble, they will not be talking about saving Canada it
will be blamed on a world recession. They are taking the credit at the moment for
the escape from the American mess but we are right behind them. and they want
you and I looking else where.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

The political right wants to turn back the clock, and besides they have nothing new
to offer in the way of progress with regard to the economy or jobs. Wait till America
sinks in 2012 and we are in trouble, they will not be talking about saving Canada it
will be blamed on a world recession. They are taking the credit at the moment for
the escape from the American mess but we are right behind them. and they want
you and I looking else where.


Yup yup yup.... the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

All living things are my kin, including vegetables and fruit. Only eating humans is considered cannibalism. In a pinch, I might consider that option.

Avoiding the question again.
 
damngrumpy
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Gerry the problem is the sky may well be falling, the whole economic pattern is
following the same course as the last great depression. IN 29 the markets fell
and rebounded up and down with uncertainty until 1933 when the bottom fell out.
We are at the end of incentives and the money is running out to do anything
about the problems that are looming and they are huge. The American housing
crisis was not fixed merely postponed and the bills are coming due in spades,
2012 will see another round of trouble. But what will one say when the bottom
falls out?
 
55Mercury
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

... But what will one say when the bottom
falls out?

"I told you so"?

Either way I think it's ludicrous to talk about the rights of conceived souls to life without first addressing the rights of our future generations not to be born into debt.

As it happens, I work for the government and for 30 years I've been telling everyone at work, "look around - everything you see here has been bought and paid for by people that aren't even born yet!"

Who gets rich off our debt-laden socialism? Capitalists. Hence my saying socialism is a capitalist conspiracy. And since democracy is the worst form of government (except for all the rest), idiots will continue to elect idiots who think that's a good thing. We're basically fvcked. Odds are abortion may well be doing those souls a favour.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by 55MercuryView Post

We're basically fvcked. Odds are abortion may well be doing those souls a favour.

Gays and abortionists are going to take over the world.
 
55Mercury
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Gays and abortionists are going to take over the world.

haha more spun flawed logic

in your wet dreams maybe?

there could be worse conclusions
 

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