Shooting at Virginia Tech
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Frequency of occurrence, SNFU. The frequency inures people. Single, rare instances stick out most.
I noticed the same thing when that Challenger went up a mile (or whatever) and then exploded. Plane crash the same day with 45 people dead was relegated to about the 7th page whereas the 7 people dead in the Challenger got front page for 2 weeks.
Wouldn't hurt, but the US admin is really not too fond of dealing with internal issues.
Well...you answered those pretty darn good...can't argue with a thing you said...
KILLING FIELDS AT THE VIRGINIA TECH - AN ANALYSIS
Posted By: FarSight3 <Send E-Mail>
Date: Wednesday, 18 April 2007, 3:44 p.m.
In Response To: BRAINWASHING - "BOOM, BOOM, BAN GUNS" - SEE OLDER POSTS ON THAT TOPIC!!! (FarSight3)
Last week or so a judge ordered the Columbine Documents to be sealed for 20 years. Similiar to what happened then - a possible ADDITIONAL killer (or a whole "hit team"?) who escaped the scene "unrecognized" - all evidence in the Virginia Tech shootinghttp://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=102877 points towards the involvement of some additional "pro".
Besides the now almost "usual" involvement of Anti-Depressantshttp://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=102932 in these kind of cases another crucical evidence is raising eyebrows:
According to witnesses and doctors</B> most of the victims were killed by three shots. The content of "witness"-link CHANGED and I provided you with a cache-link to read the original statment (above from NDTV) - not available any more:
Who gains?
Fueling the agendas for the "Ban-Gun-Lobby" is the most remarkable factor here. Although, each experienced reader will recognize that there was a GUN BAN in effect on the whole area of the Virginia Tech campus. It failed to protect the victims, clearly - as it would fail to protect ANYONE OF YOU - if any "gunban" would be widened throughout the States.
It is interesting to watch the behaviour of the MSM - especially in the case of the killer at the Appalachian School of Law in January 2002http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting. Three persons got killed before two ARMED students managed to subdue the aggressor and PREVENTED WORSE.
You might recognize the MSM-spin and the agenda by comparing an article about the incident (if you find any at all) - here from CNN:http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/16/law.school.shooting/
Huh? You can't read here anything about the fact that those students were armed, and moreover watch the choice of words, especially the "apparently"...
You wont see THIS CASE listed among the "campus shooting lists" emerging these days in the tabloids of this world. Why? Because it clearly would counteract the brainwashing agenda - that "owning weapons cause kills"</B>.
This is definitely not the case! Weapons don't kill - they protect.
As we saw in the latest case - the police didn't interfere in time to stop additional killings and the campus security was in the middle of - nowhere.
Giving your personal protection into the hands of someone else might be a good thing - but only if you know this person and can rely on his actions to protect your life. And ask yourself one question: Would you protect some stranger's life, merely because you are (poorly) paid for? Far Sight 3
PHOTOS OF SHOOTING SUSPECT & HIS ARREST BEFORE HE KILLED HIMSELF http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=102983
The Right To Keep And Bear Arms
Let's get two things straight.
1. Banning guns does not reduce crime. Crime goes UP when the law abiding citizen is disarmed.
2. The Second amendment is not about hunting and it's not about target shooting. It's about giving the government good reason to leave the citizen alone.
The University of Chicago Gun Control Study.
The Survey Of San Diego Police.
Genocides and Gun Control.
Facts about the second amendment.
Analysis of the second amendment.
Quotes about the second amendment.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/RKBA/rkba.html
Posted By: FarSight3 <Send E-Mail>
Date: Wednesday, 18 April 2007, 3:44 p.m.
In Response To: BRAINWASHING - "BOOM, BOOM, BAN GUNS" - SEE OLDER POSTS ON THAT TOPIC!!! (FarSight3)
Last week or so a judge ordered the Columbine Documents to be sealed for 20 years. Similiar to what happened then - a possible ADDITIONAL killer (or a whole "hit team"?) who escaped the scene "unrecognized" - all evidence in the Virginia Tech shootinghttp://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=102877 points towards the involvement of some additional "pro".
Besides the now almost "usual" involvement of Anti-Depressantshttp://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=102932 in these kind of cases another crucical evidence is raising eyebrows:
According to witnesses and doctors</B> most of the victims were killed by three shots. The content of "witness"-link CHANGED and I provided you with a cache-link to read the original statment (above from NDTV) - not available any more:
..."She was shot through the stomach, which damaged her liver. She said that the gunman had all intention to kill and pumped three bullets into each victim," said a victim's relative...
The same remark you'll find by this doctor: ...A doctor at one of the local hospitals indicates the gunman was extreme in his cruelty. He fired at least three bullets into every single victim, and all the wounded patients he examined were suffering from some kind of gun related injury. "There were leg, arm, head, face (injuries), the more critical ones actually had head or facial shots. There were chest shots, leg shots, arm shots. He was just shooting to kill," relates ER physician Dr. Joseph Cacioppo....
Firing three shots into a victim is a hint for the involvement of an experienced killer - and not a teeny running wild. Using chains to lock the doors points as well towards a calculated, cold blooded murder...
Who gains?
Fueling the agendas for the "Ban-Gun-Lobby" is the most remarkable factor here. Although, each experienced reader will recognize that there was a GUN BAN in effect on the whole area of the Virginia Tech campus. It failed to protect the victims, clearly - as it would fail to protect ANYONE OF YOU - if any "gunban" would be widened throughout the States.
It is interesting to watch the behaviour of the MSM - especially in the case of the killer at the Appalachian School of Law in January 2002http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting. Three persons got killed before two ARMED students managed to subdue the aggressor and PREVENTED WORSE.
You might recognize the MSM-spin and the agenda by comparing an article about the incident (if you find any at all) - here from CNN:http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/16/law.school.shooting/
... Killed along with Sutin were another faculty member, professor Thomas Blackwell, 41, and a student, Angela Denise Dales, 33, according to state police. Students apparently tackled the gunman, said Ellen Qualls, press secretary for Virginia Gov. Mark Warner....
Huh? You can't read here anything about the fact that those students were armed, and moreover watch the choice of words, especially the "apparently"...
You wont see THIS CASE listed among the "campus shooting lists" emerging these days in the tabloids of this world. Why? Because it clearly would counteract the brainwashing agenda - that "owning weapons cause kills"</B>.
This is definitely not the case! Weapons don't kill - they protect.
As we saw in the latest case - the police didn't interfere in time to stop additional killings and the campus security was in the middle of - nowhere.
Giving your personal protection into the hands of someone else might be a good thing - but only if you know this person and can rely on his actions to protect your life. And ask yourself one question: Would you protect some stranger's life, merely because you are (poorly) paid for? Far Sight 3
The Right To Keep And Bear Arms
Let's get two things straight.
1. Banning guns does not reduce crime. Crime goes UP when the law abiding citizen is disarmed.
2. The Second amendment is not about hunting and it's not about target shooting. It's about giving the government good reason to leave the citizen alone.
The University of Chicago Gun Control Study.
The Survey Of San Diego Police.
Genocides and Gun Control.
Facts about the second amendment.
Analysis of the second amendment.
Quotes about the second amendment.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/RKBA/rkba.html
So obvious and so dismissive..
It seems no one is getting the message here!
When a society chooses to flirt with the boundaries of anarchy…that perception of “normal” social and personal dynamic changes…
Violent movies don’t “cause” anti-social behavior, what violent movies and violent video games and violent sporting pastimes…accepting a level of violence and brutality in our communities as a “normal” expression creates..is a climate of acceptability toward violence. Brutality and expressed aggression lays the foundation for a re-calibration…if you would, a repositioning of the boundaries of what standards become the indicators of a potentially serious problem. While “competition” can be the sieve that separates the committed athlete or businessman or performer, competition without a structure of limits becomes anarchy.
Perfectly normal healthy people fall victim to the national/social sentiment that regards the drive to achieve…to ‘win’ regardless of rules and regulations. To “win”..to “excell” to “be the best” despite a system of limits and checks and balances intended to ameliorate excessive competition and the significantly higher potential for behavior that should be regarded as inappropriate and dangerous, that leads many of these perfectly “normal” folk down the slippery slope of criminality and corruption.
When we accept the Jon Benet Ramsey’s of the world and the dehumanization of children…modeled all too frequently by the glamor of fame and fortune regarded by the average Canadian and American as the fulfillment of the mythic “superiority” or “realization of hidden promise”…so prized by our consumer-driven societies…we prepare the field for a far broader latitude in judging the relative misbehaviors and anti-social behaviours of everyone from parents and their children to sports and entertainment figures.
Our compass for detecting the disturbed individual is sent awry by the re-formulation of a set of standards abandoned in the name of being the biggest and the best…when even a cursory examination of these sentiments forces and dynamics within the social paradigm reveal a lengthy history of damage suffering and anti-socialism of all kinds.
Honest people are taught to abandon that honesty in the name of cultivating the sham of status…and regard “fudging the numbers”… “cooking the books” and outright fraud as simply the demands of a social order and self-consumed society. In a climate of lax or inadequate social structures with respect to firearms, automobiles, drugs and the fundamental “soil” of social development that prizes success and consumption above all else, we see our social fabric not just frayed at the edges but tearing itself apart from within.
We have mountains of evidence that indicate that governments acting in the name of alterior motives are prepared to act…to take entire nations to war on the basis of faulty and inadequate…to say nothing of fraudulent “intelligence”…because as George Patton was so fond of saying, “America will not tolerate a loser.”
And a loser is definded not by the more global standard of laws and systems of philosophy that should act as guidelines to governments but instead governing agents are warned that they as elected representatives will pay the price for their reticence to act by losing their grasp on power weatlth and authority.
The structures of modern society are expressed through our technological expertise bound by a juvenile obsession with being first…if not simply being seen as being..first.
I suppose like so much else here at CC I’m wasting my time once again….few people it seems are prepared to look at the broader picture in the context of the events that swirl around us that are portents of extremely serious dyanmics that sit poised to consume the world that we’re so happy to ignore.
Wasting my time…..
It seems no one is getting the message here!
When a society chooses to flirt with the boundaries of anarchy…that perception of “normal” social and personal dynamic changes…
Violent movies don’t “cause” anti-social behavior, what violent movies and violent video games and violent sporting pastimes…accepting a level of violence and brutality in our communities as a “normal” expression creates..is a climate of acceptability toward violence. Brutality and expressed aggression lays the foundation for a re-calibration…if you would, a repositioning of the boundaries of what standards become the indicators of a potentially serious problem. While “competition” can be the sieve that separates the committed athlete or businessman or performer, competition without a structure of limits becomes anarchy.
Perfectly normal healthy people fall victim to the national/social sentiment that regards the drive to achieve…to ‘win’ regardless of rules and regulations. To “win”..to “excell” to “be the best” despite a system of limits and checks and balances intended to ameliorate excessive competition and the significantly higher potential for behavior that should be regarded as inappropriate and dangerous, that leads many of these perfectly “normal” folk down the slippery slope of criminality and corruption.
When we accept the Jon Benet Ramsey’s of the world and the dehumanization of children…modeled all too frequently by the glamor of fame and fortune regarded by the average Canadian and American as the fulfillment of the mythic “superiority” or “realization of hidden promise”…so prized by our consumer-driven societies…we prepare the field for a far broader latitude in judging the relative misbehaviors and anti-social behaviours of everyone from parents and their children to sports and entertainment figures.
Our compass for detecting the disturbed individual is sent awry by the re-formulation of a set of standards abandoned in the name of being the biggest and the best…when even a cursory examination of these sentiments forces and dynamics within the social paradigm reveal a lengthy history of damage suffering and anti-socialism of all kinds.
Honest people are taught to abandon that honesty in the name of cultivating the sham of status…and regard “fudging the numbers”… “cooking the books” and outright fraud as simply the demands of a social order and self-consumed society. In a climate of lax or inadequate social structures with respect to firearms, automobiles, drugs and the fundamental “soil” of social development that prizes success and consumption above all else, we see our social fabric not just frayed at the edges but tearing itself apart from within.
We have mountains of evidence that indicate that governments acting in the name of alterior motives are prepared to act…to take entire nations to war on the basis of faulty and inadequate…to say nothing of fraudulent “intelligence”…because as George Patton was so fond of saying, “America will not tolerate a loser.”
And a loser is definded not by the more global standard of laws and systems of philosophy that should act as guidelines to governments but instead governing agents are warned that they as elected representatives will pay the price for their reticence to act by losing their grasp on power weatlth and authority.
The structures of modern society are expressed through our technological expertise bound by a juvenile obsession with being first…if not simply being seen as being..first.
I suppose like so much else here at CC I’m wasting my time once again….few people it seems are prepared to look at the broader picture in the context of the events that swirl around us that are portents of extremely serious dyanmics that sit poised to consume the world that we’re so happy to ignore.
Wasting my time…..
you chose your words unwisely, mikey.
Do you think we're more likely to listen if you tell us you're wasting your time with us?
Do you think we're more likely to listen if you tell us you're wasting your time with us?
Nice Post
Hello Mickey DB, that was an excellent post IMO and very well thought out. I have thought of the problems in our society in the very same light but could not of expressed them any better! Always remember that most will listen and hear 'truth' but not all will acknowledge. Thanks for your post again, I look forward to more and if your goal's are to change hearts and minds....never lose hope.
Hello Mickey DB, that was an excellent post IMO and very well thought out. I have thought of the problems in our society in the very same light but could not of expressed them any better! Always remember that most will listen and hear 'truth' but not all will acknowledge. Thanks for your post again, I look forward to more and if your goal's are to change hearts and minds....never lose hope.
I think the role of mental illness is being grossly overlooked here...as usual. A lack of understanding, a lack of even wanting to understand mental illness is a serious issue, and without at least attempting to understand, incidents like this will keep on happening, again and again and again, and people will keep searching for answers...in the wrong places.
I totally agree.
I found it really revealing how one article stated that a teacher had recommended he get psychological help because she was concerned about the content of some of his writing. Since that came out in the press, I've heard it slanted all sorts of ways, including one person stating that 'he was a reported sicko.' A reported sicko. That's a far cry from stating that someone felt he might have needed help. And it goes to show why so many people fail to get the help they need. A society that lacks understanding and compassion for mental illness.
I'll never understand why it is that people are willing to dash off to doctors for cosmetic issues of health, yet will let their psyche deteriorate.
Mikey DB. Might I suggest that perhaps people are trying to keep threads a bit more concise and 'to the issue'. In much the same way that people don't want to get into the broad theme of 'why the church sucks' in every last thread on religion, I think perhaps people here are just not in the mood to have these conversations on the downfall of society as a whole, over one incident like this.
Perhaps a dedicated thread.... "How society is failing", would be in order. Bump it up when things like this occur. I'm sure some people might want to discuss the broader implications. But, I suspect, telling everyone at the end of such a well thought out yet lengthy post, that you think you're wasting your time with us, will not get you many thoughtful responses.
Perhaps a dedicated thread.... "How society is failing", would be in order. Bump it up when things like this occur. I'm sure some people might want to discuss the broader implications. But, I suspect, telling everyone at the end of such a well thought out yet lengthy post, that you think you're wasting your time with us, will not get you many thoughtful responses.
Is there such thing as an undisgusting slaughter? One of those pleasant little sunday slaughters where everyone dresses up in their hats and suits?
Nah...I think every slaughter is pretty disgusting.
If you think of all of us as so 'trivial', and, is a waste of your time, why did you bother in the first place.
Maybe it's easy for him. Perhaps he just needs to cut and past arguments he made somewhere else.
I haven't been following all these pages very closely but am I right that this happened after the shooter was getting 'help' (anti-depressant or whatever)?
Anyway the reason for this post, has anybody seen this article?
Somebody on another forum suggested that the camera in the video clip is moving and he can hear somebody in the background cough and bump the camera. The camera does seem to 'drift' just a tiny bit if you watch the very edge. http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/view_video.php?viewkey=3efbc24c7d2583be6925
The original link to this can be found on http://whatreallyhappened.com/
Pretty good job of framing himself , I suppose with cameras today you can have the viewfinder facing forward though.
Anyway the reason for this post, has anybody seen this article?
Somebody on another forum suggested that the camera in the video clip is moving and he can hear somebody in the background cough and bump the camera. The camera does seem to 'drift' just a tiny bit if you watch the very edge. http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/view_video.php?viewkey=3efbc24c7d2583be6925
The original link to this can be found on http://whatreallyhappened.com/
Pretty good job of framing himself , I suppose with cameras today you can have the viewfinder facing forward though.
I think the video on the link you provided was tampered with......I have seen the video through other sources and it plays quite different. Also that background noise that sounds like a "cough" was not in the videos I saw. It's pretty sad to see some people take advantage of this situation.
Sure. I've played "Cowboys and Indians", been to plenty of wars, been a knight in a joust, watched Bugs Bunny avidly, etc. as a kid; now I play all the Unreal series, America's Army, Chess, Stratego, etc. and I have yet to think it's ok for someone to shoot someone else, someone to suicide bomb a restaurant fulla people, etc. As a matter of fact, I get pissed off (to varying degrees) every time I hear or read stuff like that. So, Tbud and Mikey, don't attribute others with what your characteristics are.
His supposition is correct? You must have been looking at a different link than I was. How can you decide anything off a video of someone video taping the news? He shakes the camera the whole time and coughs in the background, yes, but he's videotaping NBC footage off his computer or tv. Did they change the footage which is shown at the link provided?