Well, you bring Karl to my city and put up him on a stage and let him begin to babble. We'll see how long he lasts. If you can't put two and two together on this one, some fool's presented you your papers. Communication is all about clarity. How can you possibly defend that marled windbag?
The Essence of Fascism
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If you think the demonstrable line of thought through 1930's German Christianity, mysticism, democracy and property rights can be drawn with proper reference to influential fascist philosophers in more simple terms that "Karl" uses, you're more than welcome to try. I can wait.
I noticed. But I'm so ignorant I couldn't understand where you were coming from. Today I am reassured.:laughing7::wave:
I realize the read is slog (precision in these matters is a must) but I found it worth the effort as it goes a long way to understanding not only that democracy and capitalism are irreconcilable, but what dangers need to be avoided in responsibly forming centrist policy.
DON'T STOP, I NEED THE EDUCATION, IF YOU TWO COULD KEEP THIS UP FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED POSTS, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO GUESS SO MUCH.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:
PS: GREAT DISCUSSION
PS: GREAT DISCUSSION
Karl and I would not get along. "Simplify, Karl," I'd say, "and take some time if you need it. But not too damn much."
Hmmm, and, Bit, why do you get to make all the requests? Here's what I'm interested in: To what degree is capitalism compatible with a modern pluralist state?
Hmmm, and, Bit, why do you get to make all the requests? Here's what I'm interested in: To what degree is capitalism compatible with a modern pluralist state?
Utterly, IMO, as long as the democratic will takes precident over the self-regulating market.
Much of the West is involved in such a venture. It'll be interesting to see whether the state as a social organism can resist the impulse to regulate itself to death. Pluralism by itself demands its own take on centralism. And we'll see too if the state's energy is increasingly consumed not by production but ombudsmanship.
Please define experiment?The experiment I have been living through seems to be how fast the upper crust can eat the planet, and how bloated and concentrated wealth can become.:wave:
The Canadian Council of Chief Executives is a not- for- profit, (lie) non-partisan (lie) association of Canada's bussiness leaders committed to the shaping of sound public policy in Canada, North America and the world.(lie) :laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::wave::wave:
The crust dictating the taste of the pie.:laughing7::wave:
The crust dictating the taste of the pie.:laughing7::wave:
So for the modern period (since reganomics) the democratic public sector has been under attack,
so in reality while the term (self regulating market) seems oxymoronic (foxes manageing chicken day-care centers) the real regulatory target has been public democratic institutions. What?:wave:
not at all. Classical Liberals have been harping about it for decades. Their roots go back as far as the Manchester School attack on the Corn Laws and are very much founded on Ricardian "starve them into prosperity" principles. Keep in mind that fascism as it was manifest in WW II Europe was considered by its leaders to be transitional forms of a truer vision. Capitalism in its purest (laissez-faire) form is where it was bound to go lest it fall prey to, as Hayek was so fond of pointing out, Socialism. I think I've used this quote before...
besides, I said Capitalism, not commerce. At the very least, as long as there are armies the State will have an influence on commerce. or the other way around.
LOL!
that's rich. so to speak. :wink:
I've never figured out if the Liberals take that crap seriously or they're just giving the corporates a sandbox to play in to keep them off their backs.
So, if we get the right state of mind in Government, ie. that it governs from the dead centre and listens to the People, and effectively has Commerce as its partner in the stewardship of the land and its resources, with Business knowing that the Government represents the consensus of the People, and (excuse the run on sentence) the consensus of the People can be summed up as "Free Will and the Opportunity to Pursue it"....we might have a starting point to move forward and deal with some real issues, such as sufferring, injustice, and human communication (understanding)....
Could we move forward as the water is rising....
I'd rather not commit to centrism as a rule since policy needs to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis although I do prefer the possibility of balance the term implies. I wouldn't call it a partnership, either. More like ideally Democracy is its own benevolent despot with a "don't make me come over there" attitude. Not that there'd never be call to go "over there".
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