Yeah, fine. We have transformed this thread into a discussion of weapons policy and rights amongst intelligent, informed people.
Watch and learn.
Or eff off.
Your choice.
But we're not interested in what some loudmouth in Texas tweeted.
Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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Watch and learn.
Or eff off.
Your choice.
But we're not interested in what some loudmouth in Texas tweeted.
Good for him.
He obviously understands both the concept of individual rights, and the purpose of the Second Amendment (to allow the people to defend their rights)
Unfortunately, it won't be Beto showing up at his door to demand he surrender his rights, and his AR 15.
OK, so. . . the basis of the right is not really so much "I can do whatever I want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody." That applies to everything, and we're talking specifically about arms here.Absolutely sensible from my point of view.
So far.
Carry on.
So. . . next. . . let's work on a list of legally or morally "legitimate" uses of firearms.
1. Hunting (obviously).
2. Self-defense against a person whom you reasonably believe is threatening imminent death or serious bodily harm to you or a third person.
3. Banding in defense of the community against highwaymen, brigands, and other such organized or unorganized gangs of dangerous criminals.
4. Taking a credible stand against overreaching government (whether a rogue local PD violating the law or a larger-scale governmental entity breaching the rights of the people and the community).
5. Law enforcement (private security guards and citizens confronting some jerkoff fiddling with the door of a local shop, or their homes).
Anything else?
IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LEARN to read hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Colpy quoted Yankee senator Cruz stating ............................................
"we have to do more to prevent these shootings"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for me, you are going to have to maintain principles such as the oaks test. If you are looking to severely restrict a right due to a percieved benefit that is so miniscule that it is difficult to quantify then I would say you are violating the basic principle of proportionality
Right. One more:
6. In conjunction or not with the armed forces, fight invaders.
You missed 1. 'To safely own and store.'
This is important because someone that doesn't make your list is not illegal or immoral by default.
Machete is cheaper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And no wait time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And its good aerobic exercise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guns are for lazy people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When you promise that when you get power you will use force to circumvent the supreme law of the land (the constitution) and send armed men to strip you of your rights, a little violence might just be called for.........
It would be Lexington and Concorde all over again.
Read a little history.
The first battle of the American Revolution was fought over British troops heading into the countryside to seize arms, in violation of the English Bill of Rights of 1689.
Oh, and there was no death threat. If there were, the gentleman would be in jail.
There is never a good reason to threaten anyone either on social media or in person.
If the laws of the land were being followed there would be no need to confiscate guns.
There was no threat of violence. You're talking about the USA, where they actually enjoy freedom of speech, because of their great Bill of Rights, and under the definition of the Supreme Court, the tweet was NOT a threat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elonis_v._United_States
And the actions of criminal individuals have no bearing on the legal rights of the people. In fact, that idea is absolutely moronic. Because somebody shouts real threats, should people be banned from speaking freely?
In your world, there would be no liberty. None.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HemerHOID being even more OBTUSE THAN USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the law of the land were being obeyed...........................
WE WOULD NOT NEED an investigation.....................................
INTO LAVALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals have turned the entire country into LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Consider the CRAP teachers tell us about violence in our schools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is an article presenting some highly suspect statistics!! With some comments of my own in brackets):
New study shows spike in violent incidents in Ontario's elementary schools
From Cdn Press/ Msn,ca
Published Sept 11, 2019
TORONTO — A study from the University of Ottawa suggests there has been a sharp increase in the level of violence teachers face while working in Ontario's elementary schools.
A team of researchers surveyed more than 1,600 educators last year to gauge the number of times they encountered violence from students, parents or administrators during the 2017-18 school year.
They then compared those results to a survey undertaken by three major unions in 2005, which found that only seven per cent of teachers at the time reported experiencing bullying over the course of their careers.
The researchers found that number had surged nearly seven-fold in the intervening years, with 54 per cent of respondents saying they had experienced physical violence such as punching, kicking or biting — primarily at the hands of students.
(Uh huh - and how much of this surge in violence is related to civil service union HOG manipulation of numbers!! In recent years there has been much debate about how LITTLE teachers are really doing to combat bullying at school!! And from personal evidence I know very well that teachers think nothing of HIDING events that occurred in their schools to improve “public relations”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(But now we have a game change!! Teacher HOGS are engaged in a BITTER WAR with Ford govt for control of both schools and the lives of our kids!!!!!!!!!!! Teachers want all the power and all the gravy - and NO RESPONSIBILITY for kid outcomes!! Teachers seem to think the school system was created FOR THEIR PERSONAL PROFIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Teachers have cried bitterly over the EQUAO standardized testing - that too often reveals HOW LITTLE our kids are learning in core subjects like math!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The survey found 72 per cent of participants reported explicit verbal insults or obscene gestures from a student, with 41 per cent saying they'd had similar encounters with a parent.
(WE should ask if these numbers are not exaggerations?? After all, teachers expect to PROFIT personally if they can play on public sympathy!! Are teachers issuing more Fake News Now- that directly contradicts the heavily edited news they issued in previous years?? Or are they FINALLY telling the TRUTH about school conditions???????????????????????)
The report says such incidents included anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim slurs delivered in class, taunts of "build the wall," and calls for teachers to "go back to your country."
(Oh great - as a result of MESSED UP LIE-beral immigration policy we now have racist crap in class!! It has been over 3 years since teachers in New Brunswick began complaining of being badly treated by recently arrived and mostly Syrian Muslims!! With female teachers most likely to complain of abuse from young male Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(In that 3 year period there were also reports out of New Brunswick of Jewish students being bullied by newly arrived Muslims!! Union HOG leaders met with Our idiot Boy Justin and apparently found ways to HUSH UP the teacher complaints for the good of the LIE-beral image!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Criminology professor and study co-author Chris Bruckert says the spike reflects many changes in both social conditions and educational programs over the past 12 years.
"When we talk about this as a crisis, that's not hyperbole," Bruckert said in a telephone interview. "There is a serious problem in our elementary schools, and it needs attention."
(It reflects a wider debate about the wisdom of LIE-beral policy and values!! Some Cdns- who get govt pay cheques - are DEVOTED to LIE-beral values- for personal profit!! But the rest of us bitterly OPPOSE LIE-beral gravy grabbing that is loading us up with debt and crippling our future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Bruckert said the issue of violence in the classroom has received scant academic study, citing just 37 peer-reviewed papers completed internationally between 1988 and 2016 and only one focusing on Canadian data. That article, published in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence in 2011, had already begun documenting a dramatic surge in teacher-reported violence.
Researchers found 80 per cent of those surveyed reported experiencing some form of physical violence or personal insults at some point in their careers.
(Oh GOSH!! And just HOW do teachers deal with ANY class disruption - now that corporal punishment is off the table?? And since so many kids ride buses- the old standby of keeping the kid after class is GONE since the kid cannot miss the bus without having major transportation issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(As kids get older - the problem grows - along with the kids strength!! Teachers used to resorted to suspension from school but that merely encouraged kids to drop out!! And there was a HUGE politically correct backlash as the number of visible minority kds being suspended from school was so large!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Teachers have rendered themselves IMPOTENT to maintain discipline - for reasons of political correctness and in exchange for gravy from LIE-berals - who care more about re-election than our kids future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Bruckert said the Ottawa research team's focus on a single school year shines a light on how prevalent the issue has become. She said the root causes are multifaceted, encompassing shifts in everything from poverty levels to in-class expectations.
(The more teacher HOGS are paid- the HIGHER are the public expectations for their efforts in class!! It is an absurd truth that the more gravy teachers grab - the more kids are pushed into poverty as their parents wages are TAXED AWAY!!!!!
Teachers and LIE-berals are creating their own troubles with shameless gravy grabbing and obscenely costly vote buying - that also drives the social unrest that teachers are whining about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Changes in Ontario's educational policies, such as a shift away from zero-tolerance disciplinary approaches and one-size-fits-all education plans, are largely positive steps that nonetheless demand more of teachers, Bruckert said.
(Complaints about “one size fits all” education are merely an attempt by LIE-berals and HOGS to absolve themselves of blame for education failures!!! We all know that 2 + 2 = 4 - unless you are a LIE-beral trying to HIDE the dismal results of LIE-beral immigration policy and multicult propaganda!! After all - our entire economy is One size fits all - so you either fit or suffer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
She said educators, in turn, are increasingly dealing with students exposed to social conditions that have changed considerably since 2005. Examples she cited included income disparity forcing parents to work multiple jobs, more limited social interactions driven in part by growing reliance on technology, increasing polarization in society at large and the ravages of the national opioid crisis.
(In other words- Ontari-owe HOGS are dealing with the results of DECADES of LIE-beral rule- that people like Doug Ford are fighting to rectify -with teacher opposition at every turn!! A lawyer representing high school teachers even told us they might not have taken the sex ed fight to court if Ford had not ORDERED teachers to use his revised curriculum - this is classic HOG policy - to demand TOTAL CONTROL -even over our ELECTED GOVT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Cuts to services both inside and outside of schools exacerbate the issue, she said, adding the various factors contributing to the problem do not rest on the shoulders of any one government or policy.
(Ontari-owe is the most INDEBTED sub national political entity on the planet - and Toronto citizens got FAR TO ACCUSTOMED to getting TEN TIMES MORE funding from Queens Park LIE-berals -than any other citizens - such madly UNFAIR disparity could NOT CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Bruckert said rates of violence disproportionately impact teachers from a racialized background or those with disabilities, noting they reported higher rates of violence than other survey participants.
(Yes- we have heard about Muslim terrorists and their radical agenda for Sharia Law that VERY MANY Cdns object to!! And as noted- many Muslim students OBJECT to being taught be a female and object to being in classes with Jews!! So much for LIE-beral sponsored tolerance and inclusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
She also said disabled students are disproportionately implicated in the study results, noting that while students with more specialized needs are reported to "act out" more often, they and the teachers who work with them are increasingly left without necessary supports in and out of class.
"To blame them is putting the focus absolutely on the wrong place," she said. "It's not the kids' fault and it's not the teachers' fault. They need more support."
(There is much debate regarding the wisdom of integrating ALL disabled kids into class regardless of their medical condition and without considering their potential behaviour and ability to disrupt a class!! LIE-berals are catering to the same sort of lobbyists that are fighting cuts to the COSTLY and often ineffective Autism treatments that certain snake oil sales practitioners are offering!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(HYPOCRITE Teachers routinely bitterly OPPOSE the one size fits all education curriculum and then willingly agree to allow any sort of education problem or potential disruption to be jammed into their classes in exchange for GRAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
