Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

[Twin_Moose]

Indigenous-industry balance hard to find

CALGARY - A Vancouver-area First Nation's decision to support the Woodfibre LNG project may have come as a surprise to some, considering the nation's role in helping to derail the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion earlier this year.
The Squamish Nation community was one of a handful of First Nations that lined up to convince the Federal Court of Appeal in August to overturn National Energy Board approval of the controversial oil pipeline expansion from Edmonton to the West Coast, leaving its future in doubt.
But the nation's acceptance of the liquefied natural gas export project last month reinforces a simple truth, says historian Ken Coates: While Canada's first people may approach tough questions differently than non-native Canadians, their decisions are motivated by many of the same factors.
"These are complex issues and you're always going to have people on both sides," said the Macdonald-Laurier Institute's senior fellow in Aboriginal and northern Canadian issues and the author of several books and publications on Indigenous relations.
"These are communities that need real sustainable, substantial economic benefit, where Indigenous people have been locked out of the market economy for 150 years, since Confederation. They've been wanting in for a long period of time."
Woodfibre LNG gained trust through five years of consultations and by agreeing to abide by conditions under the nation's environmental and cultural assessment process (which operates separately from federal and provincial regimes), said Khelsilem, a spokesman for the Squamish Nation council, and one of its councillors who voted against the proposal in a close 8-6 vote.
In return for its support, the community is to receive annual and milestone payments totalling $226 million over the 40-year life of the project, and its companies will be in line to bid on up to $872 million in contracts.
Hundreds of jobs are expected to result for the nation's 4,000 members, nearly half of whom live off reserve in the Greater Vancouver area.
Khelsilem, who uses one name, said the product involved in each project — Woodfibre LNG's relatively benign natural gas versus the "extreme risk" of diluted bitumen from the oilsands in the Trans Mountain pipeline — was just one of several factors in the decision to back one and fight the other.
"I think that if governments want to work with First Nations to create economic development, there's ways to do it. And our nation like many other First Nations are saying, 'We want to do it, we want to do responsible economic development and there are ways for the government to work with us on that,'" he said.
But, he added: "Our future isn't in the resource extraction industries like a lot of other First Nations."
The court-enforced duty of the federal government to consult, and where appropriate, accommodate Indigenous wishes when it considers projects that might adversely impact potential or established Aboriginal or treaty rights, makes their support key to both industry and environmentalists.
In November, the Montreal Economic Institute released a study called "The First Entrepreneurs – Natural Resource Development and First Nations," that disputes the "widely held belief" that First Nations systematically oppose projects.
It shows that Indigenous people working in oil and gas extraction make average wages of almost $150,000 per year, while those working on gas pipelines made more than $200,000. According to a 2016 Statistics Canada census the average wage of Indigenous workers nationwide was less than $50,000.
A few weeks later, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers released a report called "Toward a Shared Future: Canada's Indigenous Peoples and the Oil and Gas Industry," that shows six per cent of the workers in oil and gas identify themselves as Indigenous, a total of about 11,900 people making generally better-than-average wages.
It also points out that Indigenous governments received $55 million in payments related to oil and gas activity outside of the oilsands in the second half of 2017 and that oilsands companies had spent $3.3 billion on procurement from Indigenous-owned companies in 2015 and 2016.
The message of financial gain from co-operation with industry — dubbed "economic reconciliation" — resonates with Clayton Blood, general manager of Kainai Resources Inc., a company established by the Blood Tribe of southern Alberta to pursue economic development including oil and gas exploration.
"We're finding that Indigenous peoples seem to be becoming a convenient excuse for turning down some of these controversial projects when a majority of First Nations along the (Trans Mountain) pipeline route were looking for opportunities," he said.
Environmentalists have used "scare tactics" to try to boost opposition to development on his reserve, too, Blood says, including blaming hydraulic fracturing or "fracking" of wells for methane in water wells, a problem he says existed long before fracking began.
But Grand Chief Stewart Phillip, president of the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs and an ardent environmentalist, makes it clear he thinks fracking is a problem.
He says supporting Woodfibre LNG means the Squamish Nation have chosen to prosper while damage is done to the environment of Indigenous people in northeastern B.C. where the gas is produced.
"It's not about money," he insists.
"It's about the land, it's about the environment, it's about our culture, our traditions, our livelihood, our subsistence."

And it's not about the money? SMH

 

[Curious Cdn]

Indigenous-industry balance hard to find
And it's not about the money? SMH

You got to line the right pockets, there and the protests will magically disappear.

 

[spilledthebeer]

You got to line the right pockets, there and the protests will magically disappear.

POOR stupid LIE-berals......bellowing like Mastodons stuck in a tar pit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Howling about the climate change that LIE-berals and their civil service union Hog allies ARE INSTRUMENTAL IN DRIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You dont get to kill our jobs or prevent us from heating our homes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Until AFTER you stop flying to Florida on gas guzzling air planes - for GOLF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And you had better get your fat asses OFF your atv`s, sea-doos, and snowmobiles BEFORE you start whining about people driving to



work because the public transit you refuse to expand or modernize is overloaded and SLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And to avoid looking like complete hypocrites it would be best if you cut off those electric bubble systems that run for 6 months straight



merely to protect the dock at your estate in the country from ice damage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Pushing your carbon crap and trade tax that only cleans cash from wallets and leaves YOUR DIRT in the air is a great way to ensure you dont get re-elected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Twin_Moose]

You got to line the right pockets, there and the protests will magically disappear.

Isn't blackmail illegal in Canada?

 

[Curious Cdn]

Isn't blackmail illegal in Canada?

Doesn't the Indian Act just beg for it?

 

[MHz]

Isn't blackmail illegal in Canada?

Probably, if caught on video, bribery isn't though so don't get your hopes up that things will change on their own.

 

[JLM]

Before any positive will happen we have to get rid of the DINK in Ottawa. He doesn't listen!

 

[Twin_Moose]

CN Rail to build bitumen pucks pilot plant

CALGARY - Canadian National Railway Co. says it is planning to build a pilot plant worth up to $50 million next year to create pucks made of oilsands bitumen to transport by rail and ships to customers around the world.
CN has been working for years on a technology that mixes and coats the heavy, sticky oil with polymer plastic, creating a pellet-shaped product called CanaPux that can be shipped in rail cars and will float if spilled into water.
The railway is in discussions with the federal and Alberta governments, along with potential oilsands industry partners and the Heart Lake First Nation of northern Alberta, to fund the 10,000-barrel-per-day pilot plant, said James Cairns, vice-president of petroleum and chemicals at CN.
"So far we have enthusiastic support from both levels of government, now we just have to see if it translates into a financial commitment," he said Thursday in an interview.
"Ideally, we want it to be ... a third government, a third CN and a third industry."
If the pilot succeeds, CN would build a commercial-sized plant with capacity to convert up to 50,000 barrels per day of heavy crude into pucks.
Bitumen is usually diluted with lighter oil during its recovery from the oilsands, with more diluent added to allow it to flow in a pipeline.
CN plans to install a diluent recovery plant alongside the commercial CanaPux facility to recover the valuable diluent for resale, Cairns said.
CN has signed a memorandum of understanding with an unnamed Asian customer who is interested in importing the pucks to his country and separating the oil and polymer for processing and sale, he added, declining to give further detail.
Cairns said the pucks can help generate industry profits by allowing Alberta bitumen and other heavy crude a less environmentally risky way to access new markets.
"It's not going to replace pipelines, not even close," Cairns said.
"This is just another idea, another way of getting Canadian product to market, that we can build upon."

 

[Twin_Moose]

Probably, if caught on video, bribery isn't though so don't get your hopes up that things will change on their own.

Maybe back in your homeland extracting a price from infidels is seen as a bribe, here extracting a price from someone is called blackmail, or corruption

 

[MHz]

'Pay to Play' means what in North America??
That would be Germany 1904, Comrade.

 

[MHz]

https://www.ncronline.org/news/opin...scovery?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Apparently, they were well received, in that members of the Dicastery on Human Development extended the meeting from three to four and a half hours. The delegations had seven points:
1. They wanted a full retraction of all the papal bulls that have been interpreted or used to disenfranchise indigenous peoples.
2. The United States, Canada, New Zealand and Australia all have used the Doctrine of Discovery to buttress their legal systems. The delegation asks the Vatican to notify these nations that the church does not support its use.
3. The delegates ask for a meeting with the Holy See to develop a process of retracting, removing, dismantling and rejecting all use of case law that relies on the Doctrine of Discovery.
4. They ask for assistance in seeking relief from the impact of the Marshall Trilogy (U.S. Supreme Court rulings that justify the Doctrine of Discovery) and in establishing diplomatic relations to secure rightful indigenous ownership.
5. They ask for freedom to travel the original territories of these Indian nations.
6. They ask for church support for United Nations observer status for these Indian nations.
7. They ask that the church and indigenous peoples establish a forum to protect the natural world, including meeting the challenge of climate change and addressing the destruction of key elements like clean water, which is a human right.
Then last August, the Haudenosaunee held a gathering at Onondaga Lake, including academics, attorneys and religious leaders from as far away as Chile to discuss the Doctrine of Discovery. Since 1984 tribal members have worked to oppose this doctrine.

 

[spilledthebeer]

Maybe back in your homeland extracting a price from infidels is seen as a bribe, here extracting a price from someone is called blackmail, or corruption

Yeah- the ancestors of MHz referred to "baksheesh"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mexicans call it "la mordida" -apparently meaning "the bite"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bribery is a third world import that has been brought to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you LIE-berals for this POISONED GIFT of political bribery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Twin_Moose]

'Pay to Play' means what in North America??
That would be Germany 1904, Comrade.

It is illegal in Canada and the US

 

[Twin_Moose]

More than 100 First Nations could purchase the Trans Mountain expansion pipeline

Dozens of First Nations leaders are meeting this week to discuss a plan that could make them the next owners of the controversial Trans Mountain pipeline.
Indigenous leaders will debate Wednesday which financial model is ideal if they are able to purchase the pipeline project, which would boost the amount of oilsands bitumen shipped from Alberta to the B.C. coast.
After a private "high level" meeting with the federal government was held in Calgary last month, the Indian Resources Council of Canada (IRCC) is optimistic it will be able to present a proposal to Ottawa to acquire the pipeline project in the coming months. The IRCC represents 134 First Nations that have oil and gas resources on their land.
The leaders are meeting at the Grey Eagle Casino and Resort on the Tsuut'ina Nation outside Calgary.
The proposed Trans Mountain expansion pipeline would ship oilsands crude from Edmonton to the Vancouver area for export. The federal government purchased the project for $4.5 billion from Kinder Morgan Canada last summer, but it doesn't want to be a long-term owner.
The project is stalled after the Federal Court of Appeal ruled in late August there needed to be more consultation with First Nations. The National Energy Board was also instructed to explore the potential environmental impacts from increased marine shipping.
The IRCC says the majority of its members want to purchase the project and make the pipeline 100 per cent owned, operated and monitored by Indigenous people.
"We all want a safe and proper environment; the environment is so key," said Stephen Buffalo, chief executive of the IRCC. "But we can continue to still do some economic development and have that balance. And that's what we need to strive for — to find that balance."
Along the pipeline route, some First Nations have signed benefit agreements to support the project, while others have resisted and tried to stop progress through protests and legal challenges. The IRCC said it supports those First Nations in B.C. who want to protect their land and waterways, specifically the Musqueam, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh, which have territory near the Burrard Inlet terminal.
Those who oppose the project have concerns about a potential oil spill, including the impact on salmon and other marine life.
However, the organization says efforts to oppose the project are also holding back the First Nations that support the pipelineand are counting on it for economic gain.
Not every First Nation has lucrative land holdings or casinos to benefit from, said Buffalo.
"Our job right now is to get the chiefs together and the leadership together to help make a consensus to ensure we're all on the same page. We're all looking for something to get out of poverty," he said.
If Indigenous people own the project, there would be increased job and economic opportunities, in addition to more control over environmental monitoring, he said.
"I'll be satisfied to know that there are no rail cars along the rivers and lakes. That there is no possibility of a car derailment," said Buffalo.
One of the First Nations opposing the project doesn't seem to care much who owns the pipeline now or in the future because concerns with Trans Mountain remain.
"It doesn't change the fact on the ground that the federal government has the responsibility to respect our rights and they haven't yet, and that's the standard that we set for ourselves," said Khelsilem, a Squamish Nation councillor and spokesperson.
"The reality is, if they want to build this pipeline they have to come through our titled land. That is our land. They don't have the right to say anything about what happens on our territory just like we don't have the right to say what happens to theirs," he said.
The IRCC said First Nations in B.C., Alberta, and Saskatchewan are interested in purchasing the project and the group wants to see if Indigenous people in other provinces want to be involved.
Some Indigenous leaders have already said they want to buy the pipeline.
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"First Nations should be the owners of Trans Mountain. All of that resource is coming out of our territory," said Archie Waquan, chief of the Mikisew Cree First Nation, located north of Fort McMurray in northern Alberta, in an interview with CBC News in November. "I'd like to see First Nations that are not even close to the pipeline to be owners so they can benefit from it."
The Whispering Pines First Nation near Kamloops, B.C., has also expressed its interest in an ownership stake.
Federal finance minister Bill Morneau's office declined an interview request. In an emailed statement, a spokesperson said the government is focused on moving forward with the project.
"With that in mind, we welcome the interest of Indigenous groups in the future ownership of the project and will continue these discussions at the appropriate time," said the spokesperson.
Indigenous involvement in the oil and gas sector has grown in recent decades as First Nations sign benefit agreements with industry, in addition to a number of Indigenous-owned businesses providing services to the oilpatch.
Some First Nations point to the East Tank Farm oil storage project in the oilsands region as an example of an Indigenous ownership deal that has benefited the local community. Calgary-based Suncor sold a 49 per cent stake in the project to the Fort McKay First Nation and the Mikisew Cree First Nation for $503 million in 2017. The First Nations borrowed money to cover the cost.
Four different ownership models will be considered by Indigenous leaders at a conference organized by the IRCC on Wednesday. At this point, the IRCC said some of the details are under non-disclosure agreements and can't be shared publicly.
While there are several obstacles to overcome for Indigenous groups to own the proposed pipeline, the significance of such a deal can't be understated, according to Ken Coates, a University of Saskatchewan professor who studies Aboriginal rights.
"It would be extremely difficult to pull off because you have to find ways of getting all the members on board, you have to find ways to raise the capital, you have to find the management system that works," he said, among other challenges.
However, Coates said he is delighted the IRCC is looking so closely into purchasing the pipeline because it's a sign of confidence of Indigenous business people and the determination of some First Nations to have greater control of oil and gas projects.
"It changes the game on a number of levels," he said. "From their point of view this is not just a pipeline investment. This is an investment in the future of their community. Is it possible? Absolutely possible."

I find it Ironic that some of the Bands protesting the pipeline are lining up to buy the pipeline

 

[Twin_Moose]

Q&A: How buying a pipeline could change the Indigenous business landscape

 

[spilledthebeer]

More than 100 First Nations could purchase the Trans Mountain expansion pipeline



I find it Ironic that some of the Bands protesting the pipeline are lining up to buy the pipeline

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But of course if they protest loud enough then maybe they can buy the pipeline CHEAP from frustrated LIE-berals who always give away the things they do not own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course it is Cdn TAX PAYERS who own the pipeline now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it is dead broke native protestors who want to buy the pipeline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Using WHAT for money??????????????????????????


Or will LIE-berals just give it to the natives????????????????????????????


That way LIE-berals can shrug and walk away when natives controlling the pipeline- that Our idiot Boy has claimed is in the national interest to build- start holding all of Alberta to ransom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- will native greed prompt pipeline price gouging??????????????????


Will Aberta govt be set up by LIE-berals so that natives can bleed the province dry????????????????????????????


That sure looks possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MHz]

Yeah- the ancestors of MHz referred to "baksheesh"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mexicans call it "la mordida" -apparently meaning "the bite"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bribery is a third world import that has been brought to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do you thing my Grandfather refused to teach anybody about the past. That would be Germany 1900 (insert Jaws intro music)


Just take all their arms and legs and then the Mexicans will be trustworthy.


Like Norway/South Africa/Brazil/Canada 3rd world traveler. Pete and repeter

 

[spilledthebeer]

Why do you thing my Grandfather refused to teach anybody about the past. That would be Germany 1900 (insert Jaws intro music)


Just take all their arms and legs and then the Mexicans will be trustworthy.


Like Norway/South Africa/Brazil/Canada 3rd world traveler. Pete and repeter

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


POOR STUPID MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not only does he support a twisted and dishonest version of history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HIS Family considers it a virtue NOT to teach history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It must all be the fault of Jews- MHz blames them for everything else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Curious Cdn]

I get a kick out of the Alberta separatists using the pipeline debate to score for their ideology.

If you want an absolute, iron-clad guarantee that a pipeline from Alberta to a coast will never be built, just try getting it built through a foreign country ... and no, the Americans don't want you to export a drop of "their" oil.

Come to think of it, maybe they're running agent provocateur in this country to prevent a pipeline from happening.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Oilpatch CEOs support Indigenous bid for Trans Mountain