A wonderfully literate succinct reply on your part proving I am right.
The only unknown is which cohort you belong to.
As far as CAGW goes,there is nothing to debate.
CO2 has been way higher and lower during Ice Ages & periods where the earth was much warmer than it is today. In other words, pretty much historically proven to be irrelevant.
CO2 levels have continued to climb while for the last years temps have plateau'd.
Finally, the killer.
The IPCC which has been the bs alarmists gold standard & which spent decades scaring the planet with fairy stories about runaway Thermageddon recently admitted that earths climate is too complex for any accurate forecasts to be made. WOW!
Of course you probably still believe in the old bs slogan about "97% of scientists say".
You label me as a twit.
LOL take a look in the mirror.
The electric car industry in Ontari-owe will DIE along with its LIE-beral Party supporters! The ONLY REASON auto makers are building electric cars is because of the subsidies! Take away the LIE-beral subsidies and the "industry" such as it is- will BE GONE! In related news |general Motors PLANS TO DELIBERATELY LOSE nine thousand dollars on each electric car it sells in the artificial market California LIE-beral have created by DEMANDING that a portion of each car maker fleet sold rthere MUST be electric! And that lost 9 grand will be made up for in higher prices for gas powered cars!
How can such a plan go wrong? How about NO new car sales in California as people buy in other states and use address changes to get around govt market manipulators? How about people just doing without full documentation- we know- from Durham Region cop numbers that THIRTY FIVE PERCENT of the cars coming off 401 onto Brock St DO NOT HAVE full documentation for one reason or another! that How about people NOT buying new cars and simply buying used ones from private sellers? Anybody who has watched tv show W-5 knows there is a BIG Cdn market for cars that were wrecked in crashes and rebuilt as late model "bargains"! In one case reporters found a PAIR of cars -with front end of one welded to rear end of another! LIE-berals are forcing us all to become cheats and liars- just to survive!
Consider this planned LIE-beral market meddling:
Bad gas attack. Ontario’s plan to eliminate natural gas for home heating is one of several misguided ideas in its climate change strategy.
I present here a column by Greg Vezina along with some comments of my own in brackets). The Vezina column was first posted: Saturday, May 21, 2016 07:59 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, May 21, 2016 08:47 PM EDT
Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne and Environment Minister Glen Murray talk to media about the new provincial climate change strategy at the Royal Ontario Museum on Nov. 24, 2015. (Ernest Doroszuk/Toronto Sun)
Last week we learned Ontario’s Liberal government wants to eliminate natural gas as a source of home and business heating fuel in Ontario. The ostensible purpose is to reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions linked to climate change and it is a key component of a 57-page action plan leaked by the Globe and Mail. The overall strategy is apparently still being debated by Premier Kathleen Wynne and her cabinet with the final version to be released in June.
(What this means is McWynnty is trying to decide just how pissed the public will be at her latest vote buying scam!)
Commenting on the plan, the Toronto Sun’s Lorrie Goldstein wrote: “Among (the initiatives), Wynne will double down on subsidizing electric car sales in a massive expansion of a failed government program that often sees average Ontarians subsidizing the car purchases of millionaires.
(I say a quick glance at the rising number of problems at the Gigafactory-the massive facility being built in Nevada by Tesla Motos speaks volumes about how NOT READY for prime time is the electric car! Nevada citizens have put up 1.3 BILLION dollars for this hugely risky venture and now our premier-The Great Whore who has sold herself, her party and our future to the civil service Hogs wants to TIE us into the Nevada mess! The electric car is currently nothing more than a novelty item for millionaires and neurotic green devotees to play with!)
(Reality is-we Do need to clean the air-but the LIE-beral green scams will not have that effect. The quickest way to clean the air is to balance our govt books-JUST CUT WAY BACK on the gravy being handed out to civil service Hogs who happen to have about the biggest carbon foot prints around. In the 9 months after the 9/11 terror attack-during which time 25 percent of the worlds airline fleet was grounded-there WAS a measurable improvement in world air quality-so LIE-berals are IGNORING a simple and proven method of resolving our environmental problem! Airplanes ARE the dirtiest way to travel-they produce 75-85 percent of ALL pollution related to transportation-this means adding up the pollution of all cars, trucks, ships, planes, trains, buses-you name it-whether it carries goods or passengers, airplane are the major dirt producers!)
“But the centrepiece of Wynne’s reported strategy is eliminating Ontario’s use of natural gas to heat the residential, office and commercial sectors, and to convert them to electrical heating, or solar and geo-thermal, which simply aren’t ready for prime time.”
(Great-our Great Whore wants to double down on a dangerous bet and get us onto geo-thermal madness-another iffy and hugely pricey system that has no real track record and no proven history in a conventional urban setting-CAN such a system even FIT into a modern 40 ft lot without messing up the neighbours property?)
(Who pays if your neighbour digs a 60 ft deep PIT for his geothermal installation and a thunderstorm rolls through and the pit collapses and YOUR house foundation SHIFTS along with the ground in the strip of land between your house and the neighbours? Just how risky is it to dig such deep pits in Ontari-owe when the weather can change so quickly and soften the ground?)
(And who pays if your neighbour digs a geothermal pit and the ground shifts just enough that a water main breaks and floods your house? We all know how easily a change in air temperature can crack aging Toronto water pipes-what about the effect of a carelessly shored up HUGE pit? And with so many houses built so close together just HOW do you get such large digging machines INTO our tiny back yards? The Whore has not considered any of this!)
Ontario’s ever-increasing electricity rates have resulted in the public using less electricity to save money. The government’s problem is that it depends in part on the revenues from electricity consumption to fund the many costly initiatives in its Green Energy Act. Conservation reduces those revenues, meaning electricity rates have to be increased constantly to maintain the revenue stream.
Natural gas is one of the most efficient means of heating. High-efficiency condensing furnaces can convert up to 98% of the fuel’s energy into usable heat.
By contrast, simple cycle gas turbine plants that back up Ontario’s power grid to ensure that electricity flows when the wind isn’t blowing and the sun isn’t shining, have thermal efficiencies around 30-40%, and 28% of Ontario’s power generation capacity comes from such plants.
(I say the situation is even WORSE than that-LIE-berals have set up our electrical grid to GUARANTEE that any and ALL green energy that is produced WILL be purchased-at rates that are nine times higher than regular generation costs. But as green energy is so unreliable in Ontari-owe-we MUST keep natural gas generating plants ready-fully fired up to take over at a moments notice-we are burning huge quantities of natural gas 24/7 just in case the power is needed! It would be environmentally MORE SOUND to SCRAP the green energy initiatives and STOP producing all the concrete and steel needed for the turbines and simply let the natural gas plants do their jobs-they are fully fired and ready anyway so NO extra costs NOR any new carbon emissions! In fact carbon admissions would go DOWN as we cut out the carbon footprint of turbine and solar production facilities! And as the man says-your furnace runs at up to 98 percent efficiency while the gas plants run at 30-40 percent-producing EXPENSIVE steam that we use ONLY when the sun don’t shine and the wind don’t blow! Electric heat is clearly more costly to the environment!)
(Also, to force us to use electricity means dumping those fuel efficient gas furnaces and replacing them with electric units at HUGE cost as no houses out there are currently wired to run a central electric furnace. Most of us could employ electric baseboard heaters easily enough but that is the most INEFFICIENT use of electric heat!)
(Worst of all, Our Whore has sold a portion of OPG and is using this as an excuse to CLOSE OUT public scrutiny of the books-we will NEVER know just how badly LIE-berals are GOUGING US for electricity-its our money and because it WAS a crown corporation it BELONGED to us-but NO LONGER-now its just a HUGE SLUSH FUND for LIE-berals who are DESPERATE to BUY civil service votes at any cost-TO US! LIE-berals have created a grossly costly SCAM that wont clean the air-only our wallets-and they call this theft `virtue`!)
Given that there is no end in sight to increases in Ontario’s electricity rates, forcing Ontarians to switch to more expensive electrical heat from natural gas will put many into energy poverty — where people pay more than 10% of their income just to power their homes — and be a huge drain on our economy.
It would make far more sense to allow Ontarians to continue heating with natural gas, while reducing consumption by retrofitting buildings with better insulation.
(I say LIE-berals have run these retrofitting SCAMS before-and they are USELESS! What good is there in putting new windows into an un-insulated WALL? The heat just leaks out around the windows! And NOBODY will bother with the huge labour costs and upheaval of GUTTING the interior of their home in order to ADD insulation and vapour barriers-this is how we ended up with the `quick fix` urea formaldahyde insulation mess and how we ended up with moisture and condensation problems in older homes when insulation was blown into old wall cavities. Retrofitting is a COSTLY operation that will be quickly scorned by the public living in older homes-once they get a look at the costs! Changing building codes so that new structures are much better sealed is the only real option. It will take a LONG TIME to modernize all Cdn buildings but it will be done eventually.)
(But of course LIE-berals are in a hurry-thanks to supply and demand-force people OFF natural gas and demand will shrink-along with price and LIE-berals can get a better deal on natural gas for their generating stations. Of course the price of electricity will continue to rise due to LIE-berals using electricity costs as a slush fund to enure their civil service Hog allies continue getting the GRAVY they DEMAND in exchange for their LIE-beral support!)
Another initiative in the government’s climate change strategy is to switch the province’s heavy transport vehicle fleet to liquefied natural gas (LNG).
But using LNG risks GHG emissions because natural gas can enter the atmosphere through leakage and as the fuel in the LNG tank warms.
The government’s plan to convert Ontario’s gas-powered automotive fleet to electric looks better on paper.
Since passenger vehicles are typically parked much longer than they are driven, their batteries can theoretically be used to help balance the renewable energy grid — storing electricity when there is a surplus and releasing it when there is a demand.
But this would require smart charging stations at virtually every parking space and a supervisory system to manage every individual vehicle’s charge level.
(And as LIE-berals have previously mentioned-they are considering putting charging stations at LCBO and other govt buildings-how long before `free` electricity is one of the perks of civil service life? After all, LIE-berals are already scheming to ensure their friends get the subsidies they NEED to buy electric cars-how much easier to persuade a Hog to buy such a car if the cost-electricity- to operate it is one of your perks?)
(So selected Hogs can look forward to major car subsidies while ordinary people scrape along with whatever transportation choices LIE-berals MAY DEIGN to make available-after all, how LONG has Ontari-owe govt been talking about a Young St subway relief line? With LIE-beral inspired public transit you too often cannot get there from here in any sensible way! The hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars spent by Metrolinx to STUDY transportation options would have put another subway station or two onto the Sheppard LINE! The whole thing is an endless and shameless SCAM designed to enure LIE-berals get votes!)
If the government’s previous track record on developing software is any indication, this (smart charging and supervisory stations) would likely prove to be another financial disaster.
For the vehicle owner whose commute is within the range of an electric vehicle’s battery, an electric vehicle could potentially be useful.
Batteries are the most expensive component of these vehicles, which is why Tesla is building its own battery factory in Nevada.
However, the supply of minable lithium (the main constituent of electric car batteries) is limited, so demand for massive quantities of this commodity will drive up its cost, in spite of manufacturing economies of scale working to drive it down.
Another strategy related to automobiles is to switch to lower carbon fuels such as E85 (85% ethanol) and biodiesel.
Such policies adopted globally will have an adverse effect on global food production because corn is typically used as the fuel-grade ethanol feedstock.
To grow that much corn, most of our farmland would have to be converted to fuel rather than food production.
This has already had an upward effect on food prices and the process requires more energy in the form of ammonia fertilizer and diesel fuel for the farm equipment than the resulting ethanol saves.
The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development has said biofuels may offer a cure that is worse than the disease when it comes to GHG emissions.
Perhaps the best way to describe the Wynne government’s climate change strategy is that it is having a massive gas attack at our expense and to our detriment.
Vezina, chairman of Hydrofuel Inc., is the co-author of Democracy Eh?, A Guide to Voter Action and leader of the None of the Above Party of Ontario.
