Chris Hayes smacks down conservative’s ignorance on Muslims in heated Maher panel

[mentalfloss]

Chris Hayes smacks down conservative’s ignorance on Muslims in heated Maher panel

During the “Overtime” segment of HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher, battle-lines were quickly drawn as MSNBC host Chris Hayes argued with host Maher and a conservative panelist over Muslim majority countries.

During a very heated discussion over the terrorist attack in London on Wednesday, host Maher argued with British journalist Louise Mensch about the impact of Muslims in her home country statung, “Every time some bomb goes off, before it goes off somebody yells ‘Allahu Akbar.’”

Conservative Matt Schlapp added, “Look, we have to call things as they are. There are a lot of moderate Muslims who know that Islam is in a fight with the idea that you can have a civilization where you can have religious pluralism. They themselves don’t believe in that religious pluralism.”

“Matt, will you tell me this,” Hayes countered. “Can you tell me the structure of the government of Indonesia?”

“I can’t,” Schlapp quickly replied.

“Okay. Do you know that Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world?” Hates shot back.

“I’ve read that,” Schlapp said in return.

“Right. So you’re telling me you don’t know anything about the way the largest Muslim country in the world operates,” Hayes replied before Maher — who railed at Muslims during the segment — cut off the debate saying he had a cold and ended the segment.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/yo...s-ignorance-on-muslims-in-heated-maher-panel/

 

[pgs]

Do you know how Saudi Arabia operates ?

Chris Hayes smacks down conservative’s ignorance on Muslims in heated Maher panel

During the “Overtime” segment of HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher, battle-lines were quickly drawn as MSNBC host Chris Hayes argued with host Maher and a conservative panelist over Muslim majority countries.

During a very heated discussion over the terrorist attack in London on Wednesday, host Maher argued with British journalist Louise Mensch about the impact of Muslims in her home country statung, “Every time some bomb goes off, before it goes off somebody yells ‘Allahu Akbar.’”

Conservative Matt Schlapp added, “Look, we have to call things as they are. There are a lot of moderate Muslims who know that Islam is in a fight with the idea that you can have a civilization where you can have religious pluralism. They themselves don’t believe in that religious pluralism.”

“Matt, will you tell me this,” Hayes countered. “Can you tell me the structure of the government of Indonesia?”

“I can’t,” Schlapp quickly replied.

“Okay. Do you know that Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world?” Hates shot back.

“I’ve read that,” Schlapp said in return.

“Right. So you’re telling me you don’t know anything about the way the largest Muslim country in the world operates,” Hayes replied before Maher — who railed at Muslims during the segment — cut off the debate saying he had a cold and ended the segment.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/yo...s-ignorance-on-muslims-in-heated-maher-panel/

Do you know how Iran operates ?

 

[Hoof Hearted]

I know how mentalfloss operates...

He cherry picks questionable news and quite often omits relevant facts/proper context in order to bolster/favour his own biased viewpoint.

Just calling it as I see it.

 

[Jinentonix]

Wow, Chris Hayes was able to mention one whole Muslim country that's essentially a democracy. What he fails to comprehend is there is an entirely different cultural background between Indonesia and the Middle East. You don't even see the sectarian violence in Indonesia like you do in the Mid-East. And that's because much of the sectarian violence in the Mid-East is drawn along the same lines as all the internecine violence prior to the advent of Islam. It's the same tribes that have been beating on each other throughout their history, only now they're doing it in the name of religion.

 

[mentalfloss]

It proves that it's not the religion that's primarily motivating any widespread behaviour that people don't agree with.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

It proves that it's not the religion that's really motivating any widespread behaviour that people don't agree with.

Myself, I don't really see how anybody's response on a TV show proves anything.

 

[Colpy]

Chris Hayes smacks down conservative’s ignorance on Muslims in heated Maher panel

During the “Overtime” segment of HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher, battle-lines were quickly drawn as MSNBC host Chris Hayes argued with host Maher and a conservative panelist over Muslim majority countries.

During a very heated discussion over the terrorist attack in London on Wednesday, host Maher argued with British journalist Louise Mensch about the impact of Muslims in her home country statung, “Every time some bomb goes off, before it goes off somebody yells ‘Allahu Akbar.’”

Conservative Matt Schlapp added, “Look, we have to call things as they are. There are a lot of moderate Muslims who know that Islam is in a fight with the idea that you can have a civilization where you can have religious pluralism. They themselves don’t believe in that religious pluralism.”

“Matt, will you tell me this,” Hayes countered. “Can you tell me the structure of the government of Indonesia?”

“I can’t,” Schlapp quickly replied.

“Okay. Do you know that Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world?” Hates shot back.

“I’ve read that,” Schlapp said in return.

“Right. So you’re telling me you don’t know anything about the way the largest Muslim country in the world operates,” Hayes replied before Maher — who railed at Muslims during the segment — cut off the debate saying he had a cold and ended the segment.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/yo...s-ignorance-on-muslims-in-heated-maher-panel/

Sigh

Mr. Hayes needs to educate himself.

Religious persecution in Indonesia: Murder in God's name | The Economist

• In January 2012, an Indonesian man who said on Facebook that God did not exist is facing jail, as atheism is reportedly "a violation of Indonesian law under the founding principles of the country".[5][6]
• On 6 May 2010, a court sentenced Bakri Abdullah to one year in jail for blasphemy because the 70-year-old claimed to be a prophet and to have visited heaven in 1975 and 1997.[7]
• On 2 June 2009, the Central Jakarta District Court convicted Lia Eden, also known as Lia Aminuddin or Syamsuriati, of blasphemy. The court accepted that Eden had proselytized her religion, known as Salamullah, which she invented. The court sentenced her to two years and six months in prison.[8] Eden had already served sixteen months for the same offence because of the same court's sentence on 29 June 2006. In 1997, the MUI had issued an edict declaring Eden's religion deviant.[3] Lia's right-hand man, Wahyu Andito Putro Wibisono, who was also accused of the crime, was given a two-year prison sentence.[8]
• On 9 December 2008, hundreds of Muslim rioters damaged sixty-seven houses, a church, and a community hall, and injured five people in Masohi, Central Maluku. The rioters were allegedly angry that a Christian school teacher, Welhelmina Holle, had allegedly said something blasphemous during an after-class tutorial at an elementary school.[9] The police arrested Holle for blasphemy. The police arrested two Muslim men for inciting violence.[10]
• In April 2008, a court sentenced Ahmad Moshaddeq, the leader of a sect called Al-Qiyadah al-Islamiyah, to four years in prison for committing blasphemous acts. On 2 May 2008, Padang District Court sentenced Dedi Priadi and Gerry Lufthi Yudistira, also members of the Al-Qiyadah al-Islamiyah sect, to three years in prison under Article 156(a).[1]
• On 11 November 2007, the Supreme Court of Indonesia sentenced Abdul Rahman, a senior member of the Lia Eden sect, to three years in prison for blasphemy because he claimed to be a reincarnation of Prophet Mohammed.[11]
• In April 2007, police in Malang, East Java, detained forty-two Protestants for disseminating a “prayer video” that instructs individuals to put the Quran on the ground, and to pray for the conversion of Indonesia’s Muslim political leaders. In September 2007, a local court found each of those detained guilty of insulting religion, and sentenced each to five years in prison.[1]
• On 10 April 2007, police in the town of Pasuruan, East Java, arrested two men, Rochamim (or Rohim) and Toyib. Toyib was a follower of Rochamim who, according to local residents, said things such as Islam is an Arab religion; prayers five times a day are unnecessary; and the Quran is full of lies. The police charged Toyib under Article 156(a) because he was telling others what Rochamim said.[12]
• On 28 June 2006, the Polewali, South Sulawesi state court sentenced Sumardi Tappaya, a Muslim and a high school religious teacher, to six months in prison for heresy after a relative accused him of whistling during prayers. The local MUI declared the whistling deviant.[3]
• In May 2006, the press reported that the Banyuwangi, East Java regional legislature voted to oust from office Banyuwangi's Regent, Ratna Ani Lestari. Those in favor of the ouster accused Ratna, a Muslim by birth, of blaspheming Islam by practicing a different religion from the one stated on her identity card. Ratna's supporters stated that she was the target of a religiously motivated smear campaign because of her marriage to a Hindu.[3]
• In November 2005, local police on the island of Madura arrested a man for denigrating a religion because he publicly professed a nontraditional version of Islam. A court sentenced the man to two and a half years imprisonment.[3]
• In October 2005, police in Central Sulawesi raided their neighborhood Mahdi sect after locals from other villages complained that sect followers were not fasting or not performing ritual prayers during Ramadan. Three policemen and two sect members died in the clash. Local courts tried five Mahdi members for killing the police. In January 2006, the Mahdi members were convicted and sentenced to between nine and twelve years in prison.[3]
• In September 2005, an East Java court sentenced each of six drug and cancer treatment counselors at an East Java treatment center to five years in prison and an additional three years in prison for violating key precepts of Islam by using paranormal healing methods. A local MUI edict characterized the center's methods as heretical. Police arrested the counselors while they tried to defend themselves from hundreds of persons who raided the center's headquarters.[3]
• In August 2005, East Java's Malang District Court sentenced Muhammad Yusman Roy to two years imprisonment for reciting Muslim prayers in Indonesian, which, according to the MUI, tarnished the purity of Arabic-based Islam. Roy was released from prison on 9 November 2006 after serving eighteen months of his sentence.[3]
• In June 2005, police charged a lecturer at the Muhammadiyah University in Palu for heresy. The police held the lecturer for five days before placing him under house arrest after two thousand persons protested against his published editorial: "Islam, A Failed Religion." The editorial, among other things, highlighted the spread of corruption in Indonesia. The lecturer was released from house arrest and was dismissed by the University.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Indonesia

 

[mentalfloss]

Certainly, the fact that they are Republic (instead of a democracy) doesn't do them any favours.

Even so, that's already a much smaller sampling of injustices than you would find in Syria or Iran.

Pretty benign for a 90% muslim country.