Ontario and "Big Tobacco" target First Nations

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Ontario and "Big Tobacco" target First Nations
Ontario seizing legal products, GRE wants local business licensing
By Lynda Powless and Stephanie Dearing, Writers


The tobacco war is on with both Ontario and the big five tobacco companies taking aim at First Nations manufacturers with First Nations jurisdictions at risk of becoming the first casualty of the war over money.

Six Nations needs to start regulating its businesses and industry, including its lucrative tobacco industry, or face imposition of provincial jurisdicition here Six Nations Band council was warned Monday.

Grand River Enterprises (GRE) has launched a more than $5 million lawsuit against Ontario, who has been "illegally" seizing their products, Chantell Montour, GRE lawyer told band council Monday.

She asked the band council’s committee of the whole, to pass a "voluntary" business licensing bylaw that would in effect push provincial jurisdiction out of the picture. Under the bylaw all cigar, tobacco, cigarette retailer manufacturers would pay the band a monthly fee of $1 per carton, while a cigar tobacco cigarette retailer would pay a a fee of 10 cents per carton monthly to the band. It also calls for restaurant owners to pay 2% of their revenue annually to the band, convenience stores to pay 2% of all non-tobacco sales annually to the band.

The licence would be voluntary, she stressed. It would translate into GRE paying $1.2 million every six months in fees.

She told council, without licensing, they could face provincially imposed jurisdiction on businesses here, because the council has failed to impose its own regulations.

"You are leaving a void that Ontario will fill," she said.

Both Six Nations band council and the Confederacy Council had been working on joint tobacco industry regulations and licensing two years ago. A committee had been established but it stalled.

Confederacy secretary Leroy Hill said the tobacco committee presented a full report to Confederacy Chiefs but the chiefs did not act on the report.

Band council had attempted to regulate business licensing at Six Nations two years ago but that too stalled.

In the meantime Ontario has declared an unofficial war against First Nations tobacco manufacturers, having seizing even legally licensed products on highways.

Coincidentally Ontario’s economic war comes just as "Big Tobacco’s" five major corporations, including Imperial Tobacco, Philip Morris, Altria Group, Rothmans and Benson & Hedges launched a third-party claim against several First Nations tobacco manufacturers from Quebec and Ontario. The five are seeking to draw First Nations into Ontario’s $50 billion lawsuit against the major five corporations. That suit seeks damages for health-care related costs resulting from what Ontario says are tobacco related illnesses. The five corporations claim First Nation manufacturers should also be liable.

In addition the five are suing First Nations manufacturers for what it describes as illegal competition.

The "Big 5" launched their suit in May, just as Grand River Enteprises launched its suit against Ontario seizing of its products .

GRE accuses Ontario of a "malicious, and reckless course of conduct in a wanton, willful and reckless disregard of First Nation and constitutional rights.”

It accuses Ontario of acting in a "calculated manner" to cause injury and damage to the company.

Since May of 2010 Ontario has been seizing GRE products to the tune of over $2 million in products and continue to seize the products right up until April of 2011.

Montour said the delivery trucks are seized, the product taken, the drivers charged and then all charges are withdrawn but the products or a value of the products have not been returned Williams said police are stopping trucks for windows that "are too tinted or saying trucks may be overweight.”

The seizures are taking place despite the fact that GRE holds the same type of licensing as the "Big 5 " tobacco corporations, including a federal licence to manufacture tobacco products, Ontario Tobacco Tax Act certificates and permits relating to the manufacture, sale possession, storage wholesaleing and transportation of GRE tobacco products. It also holds Ontario permits to possess, store and sell its unmarked cigarettes.

GRE holds an Ontario exporter certificate, importer certificate manufacturer certificate interjurisidictional and transporter certificates, wholesaler permits.

Ontario has refused to provide GRE with a license to sell its products off reserve.

GRE suit also challenges Ontario’s tobacco allocation system as "unconstitutional." That system deems how many cigarettes First Nations people are allowed to purchase.


ONTARIO WAR

Ontario launched a economic war against Six Nations Grand River Enterprises that could be based on racism and discrimination First Nations usinesses face says one band councillor.

"There is so much racism and discrimination against native businesses and people," says councillor Ross Johnson, who has also been involved in the tobacco industry for a number of years.

Chantell Montour said council passing the voluntary bylaw would assist the company in its court case against Ontario’s Minister of Finance and its Minister of Revenue.

"It would show that you are regulating the industry yourself." She told council’s committee-of-the-whole it was within their jurisdiction to pass the bylaw, an authority given by the Indian Act.

But council postponed making any decision.

Councillor Ava Hill said she doubted the bylaw would be approved by the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs. She said the bylaw if approved by council has to go to Ottawa to the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs for final approval.

District 3 councillor Roger Jonathon accused GRE of not living up to an earlier promise to help Six Nations. "You made this promise to us when you first opened and what happened. We haven’t gotten anything," he said.

GRE president Steve Williams told council the company did provide the band with $70,000 in funds that were seized by the RCMP when band council invested the funds in an off reserve bank.

He said in addition the company purchased land next to the arena for the band to allow expansion of the community’s recreational facilities.

He said GRE established the Dreamcatcher Fund and donates millions to children. He said the company hires 357 people. "I don't know what else you want from us."

The Dreamcatcher Fund has since become an international foundation helping First Nations in both Canada and the U.S.

GRE’s latest court case, filed in mid-May, promises to set a precedent for First Nation cigarette manufacturers should GRE win.

Montour said that after GRE took the province to court in 2000 for a similar matter, "We haven’t had any problems with them until 2010."

Montour told council, "Ontario wants to be able to tax and control cigarettes on reserve. But Ontario does not provide services to First Nations.

"They can’t tax here because they don’t send money here to help the community. They don’t provide services," she said.

Williams said GRE was not getting any help on the issue from the federal government, even though the company pays Canada "$80 million a year in excise taxes." Committee of the whole failed to make any recommendation to council to adopt the bylaw.

Instead they will hold another meeting possibly as early as Thursday morning.

Councillor Melba Thomas said community input was needed before a bylaw could be passed.

Councillor Ava Hill said it may not take the form of a bylaw knowing that the Minister would not approve it.

Council will ask its policy analyst to provide an opinion on the proposed bylaw.

GRE is also proposing the bylaw to several other First Nations.

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weaselwords

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Doesn't the fact that First Nations brands (eg DK, Putters) have federal excise stamps or bands mitigate what Ontario can do? Doesn't the fact that First nation retailers advise for the most part non-native purchasers that it is incumbent on them to pay provincial excise & sales tax directly hold them harmless to any provincial harassment?
 

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Doesn't the fact that First Nations brands (eg DK, Putters) have federal excise stamps or bands mitigate what Ontario can do? Doesn't the fact that First nation retailers advise for the most part non-native purchasers that it is incumbent on them to pay provincial excise & sales tax directly hold them harmless to any provincial harassment?
Yes, and yes...

Which is why all the charges are dropped, after the initial seizure.

The suit is to recover lost or unreturned revenue/product.

The consensus is, the Province is being willfully punitive to an industry they have limited jurisdiction to profit from, in partnership with the big 5, who see the First Nations tobacco industry as a threat to their bottom line.
 

taxslave

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Since there are huge health care costs associated with tobacco shouldn't the native tobacco products be taxed to cover their share of the cost to tax payers for native health care?
 

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Since there are huge health care costs associated with tobacco shouldn't the native tobacco products be taxed to cover their share of the cost to tax payers for native health care?

GRE pays Federal excise taxes, in the tune of over $80,000,000CDN/annum.

They also donate millions to local initiatives.
 

The Old Medic

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A "voluntary" license is NOT in fact a license. A license requires that all entities covered by its provisions MUST obtain one, or they can not do business.

If they truly believe that a licensing system will protect their retailers/manufacturers, then they will have to make licensing a requirement.
 

CDNBear

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A "voluntary" license is NOT in fact a license. A license requires that all entities covered by its provisions MUST obtain one, or they can not do business.
To make it mandatory, it would require AAND approval.

That isn't likely to happen.
 

CDNBear

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So this is a little different than the Mohawks selling illegal cigarettes then.
Absolutely. GRE is a legitimate, and legitimately licensed company. Ontario has not given them a license to sell off res, because they are by Federal statue, unable to tax tobacco sold on reserves.

My personal opinion is, the province is trying to draw or force GRE to move off the res, into Ontario territory, if GRE is to be able to market their brands at corner stores across Ontario. Which would give the province the opportunity to bring GRE into the class action suit, it already has filed against the big 5.

The big 5 are going to obviously be ok with this, because they can then get GRE to pay part of the 50 billion dollar tab, should the province win.

The problem there is, GRE is a younger company, that formed well after the true affects of tobacco were brought to light. Where as the big 5, are not. GRE has never hidden research. And finally, since the province has seen fit to deny GRE a provincial license in the past, they can not file suit against them, for a product that for all intents and purposes, has not been available in Ontario.

Then why the beef from big tobacco?
There isn't one. Big tobacco has a problem with GRE.
 

Nuggler

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Not to be anti-aboriginal, but the sooner we do away with all tobacco products, the better. It's coming. Watch the cancer rates go way way down when it does.
 

Nuggler

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...failing that, I wish they'd filter a lot more buttons and logs out of the tobaccie.... I have T-shirts that look like I'm a welder....

:lol:............Just quit............Mrs. Regan said that..........just say no...........:blob:

Worked well for her. She looked like she did a 40 of vodka in the morning.
 

lone wolf

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:lol:............Just quit............Mrs. Regan said that..........just say no...........:blob:

Worked well for her. She looked like she did a 40 of vodka in the morning.
I have ... and started again ... and quit again ... and started again. Sometimes NO is big. Sometimes, the cigarette is....

Last time I quit, I paid off the mortgage. Maybe it's time to buy a new car....
 

Nuggler

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I have ... and started again ... and quit again ... and started again. Sometimes NO is big. Sometimes, the cigarette is....

Last time I quit, I paid off the mortgage. Maybe it's time to buy a new car....


I finally quit about 20 years ago.............but put on a few pounds as a result.................just a few............I now look like a hamburger with appendages. At least a heart attack might be quicker.

Dr. said my blood pressure is normal................guess I'm not trying hard enough.;-)
 

cranky

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Not to be anti-aboriginal, but the sooner we do away with all tobacco products, the better. It's coming. Watch the cancer rates go way way down when it does.

We are getting there slowly, instead of 22% smoking rates, I've heard that they just keep dropping. whats the latest smoking rate? 17%?
 

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Tax rights throws legal blow to Imperial tobacco case
By Lynda Powless
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A Supreme Court decision reaffirming First Nations tax exemption rights may have just blown a hole in a legal case launched by Imperial Tobacco against First Nations tobacco product manufacturers.

The Supreme Court agreed last Friday that any First Nations investments and earnings are tax exempt stopping the Canada Revenue Agency and Ministry of Finance from seizing interest earned on First Nations band accounts and investments.

That, lawyer, Aaron Detlor says will make Imperial Tobacco’s suit against First Nations tobacco product manufacturers more difficult.

Imperial Tobacco is attempting to drawn First Nations tobacco companies into a lawsuit launched by Ontario against the big five tobacco companies. Ontario is suing the five tobacco corporations for health care costs it claims are a direct result of smoking.

Imperial is also suing First Nations for what it calls an “unfair playing field.” Detlor said Imperial’s lawsuit does not take into consideration First Nations rights.

“The analysis they have put forward does not take into account tax exemptions guaranteed by way of the Indian Act, and reinforced by the court in now three rulings,” he said.

Detlor said claims that Ontario will slip into First Nations jurisdiction because First Nations have created a legislative void by not developing local business licensing bylaws or regulations is not correct.

“My first concern with that is whether or not there is a void,” he said.

“Just because there is a different type of governance structure in First Nation communities that isn’t necessarily a top down authoritarian approach that you find in the mainstream, doesn’t mean that there isn’t a community mechanism in place to provide those rules and standards.”
 

barney

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All this is about the Tobacco Tax. Putting aside that taxing products and services when an income tax scheme is already in effect is a clear case of gouging the population, the Tobacco Tax is a way of letting the government profit off people's addiction.

The excuse is that this pays for Health Care costs attributed to smoking. The clincher is that "native" (reserve) cigarettes sold as contraband use none of the harmful chemicals in their product that the Big Five do, i.e. carcinogenic chemicals used to speed up production and otherwise reduce costs, and to enhance the addictive quality of the nicotine.

What's more is that contraband are dirt cheap (even if you were to add taxes to them), meaning that most of what you are paying for when you buy a pack of Marlboros is company profit (and government profit). This profiteering is all aimed at the most vulnerable: most often people who are highly stressed, usually brought on by financial insecurity, smoke as a means of coping. Regardless of what you may think of this issue, contraband does give people a healthier and much more affordable alternative.

The fact that police are enforcing this like it's a serious security matter is disgraceful, but hardly surprising.