Whats your take on Unions?

petros

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If you justify how that your business, I will give you the gruesome details.
Where are the gruesome details Yukon Jack?


What about the gruesome details of things like unions, co-operatives, pools keeping this country from being another third world nation or communist second world nation?

Would you have ran to catch the gravy train without out those people driven ideals preventing the prosperity of Canada?

If you have some dumb assed idea about being neighbours with the US think again and have a look at all the people who have nothing on the islands and everything else from Mexico on down and tell me how well no organized labour turned out for them.
 

petros

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Let's hear your story or is it going to be about how you spent 20 years apparently trapped in bondage living a shiitty life?
 

JLM

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Let's hear your story or is it going to be about how you spent 20 years apparently trapped in bondage living a shiitty life?

It doesn't take rocket science to figure out what Unions have cost the serious, competent, ambitious, honest worker. Just having to put up with the drones, parasites and trouble makers almost cost a lot of us our sanity. That's before we even start counting the $. :smile:
 

petros

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It doesn't take rocket science to figure out what Unions have cost the serious, competent, ambitious, honest worker. Just having to put up with the drones, parasites and trouble makers almost cost a lot of us our sanity. That's before we even start counting the $. :smile:
in what ways. Spill it out. Why do contractors keep going back for more horrible union workers if non-union were better and cheaper? Why did you join and work in one for 20 years? What stopped you from working elsewhere?
 

lone wolf

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Which contractors? Most of the ones I know contract... That was one of the reasons 6500 kept its people out of work for almost a year - contracting out to NON-UNION workers....
 

YukonJack

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Well, my take on it is, if you don't like unions, go work somewhere non-union.

That is exactly what I did, TenPenny.

I was strong enough not needing the pack-mentality that believes in unconditional equality. I could speak for myself even when I could hardly speak the language of my adopted new country.

Unions? They are run by thugs and bullies who take advantage and become millionaires at the expense of the incompetent.
 

damngrumpy

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To start with a union is only as good as the members who belong to it. The other this
is this, we have business associations, political associations, we have coops for the
farm community and the medical college of surgeons, not to mention the Lawyers and
their group. Working people have an association too, its called a Union. Auto Makers,
Loggers, Packinghouse Workers and even Hockey Players have a union. The union is
the bargaining agent, just like brokers bargain the price for farmers with grocery stores.
There is nothing wrong with unions what so ever, when they act within the boundaries
set by the membership. The Union Movement is involved in bargaining, education and
safety programs and even in improving the social issues of the day. If it were not for
unions many social benefits we have today they fought societies battle to achieve the
human rights we enjoy. Yes social and civil disobedience is part of the democracy we
cherish in this country. All things in society are not always comfortable but they make
us aware of the issues facing us and unfortunately sometimes they are as necessary
as raising interest rates or taxes.
Now sometimes unions overstep their bounds just like the chamber of commerce does,
in certain local situations. Unions by definition do not tell the business how to run its
affairs, all they do is ensure the business or management of the business lives up to the
contract they signed with the members of the union.
We had a situation here in the agricultural industry this year during harvest where the
union members pulled a wildcat in the middle of harvest at the packinghouse. In the end
the two main instigators were fired and the union did not step in to save them as they
went way beyond what is acceptable.
I look at the Union Movement through the eyes of someone who has been a Union President
and at another time as a General Manager. The union/ management relationship is what
both parties make it. The individual members make up the union and if they are informed
and they participate things work well most of the time. When only a few go to meetings and
control the agenda problems set in, and that is the fault of those who go support their
association. The other criticism I have is that the Union Management has become more about
managing the pension fund that the people who are in charge of progress for the people they
serve. And yes, they tend to make more money, if someone feels the are not making the same
kind of money they should form a union not sit around being jealous of those who have one,.
Unions bring abut social and economic progress and sometime social instability but then a
democracy should always have a measure of social unrest it is the heartbeat the advances
society and ensures the strength of our democracy.
 

JLM

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Well, my take on it is, if you don't like unions, go work somewhere non-union.

If you can find a good non union job you are certainly better off.

That is exactly what I did, TenPenny.

I was strong enough not needing the pack-mentality that believes in unconditional equality. I could speak for myself even when I could hardly speak the language of my adopted new country.

Unions? They are run by thugs and bullies who take advantage and become millionaires at the expense of the incompetent.

No - to the benefit of the incompetent at expense of the competent.
 

YukonJack

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Bottom line: NO self-respecting person should ever need a bully unionist thug to speak for him/her.

I was in the work force from 1957 to 2003, only four months in union, by condition of my hire in 1965. Once I realized that my so-called brethren/brothers were only interested in my monthly dues, I bid them farewell.

My wages/salary may or may not have been equal to what a bully might have extorted for me, but I can say with pride, that whatever I earned I earned it for myself.

Socialism/Unionism is strictly for bullies and weaklings.

JLM, I found the non-union job in the same company I got hired on and was obligated to join the union. Four months (my probationary period) was I could take of the bastards.

Unionists, that is.
 

JLM

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Bottom line: NO self-respecting person should ever need a bully unionist thug to speak for him/her.

I was in the work force from 1957 to 2003, only four months in union, by condition of my hire in 1965. Once I realized that my so-called brethren/brothers were only interested in my monthly dues, I bid them farewell.

My wages/salary may or may not have been equal to what a bully might have extorted for me, but I can say with pride, that whatever I earned I earned it for myself.

Socialism/Unionism is strictly for bullies and weaklings.

JLM, I found the non-union job in the same company I got hired on and was obligated to join the union. Four months (my probationary period) was I could take of the bastards.

Unionists, that is.

Your view is a little more extreme than mine but I mostly agree with you. There are some non union outfits that are pretty chicken sh*t, but they get their just deserts when good employees leave for better pay and their shoddy products drive away customers. The market place is a great levelling field.
 

karrie

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My curernt take on unions is that due to the importance of their presence in protecting the worker, they need to take some responsibility and not make themselves look like greedy, extraneous idiots. They need to truly protect workers' rights, not just gouge regardless of all other factors. They've put companies under here in Edmonton trying to dig for profit at the expense of the company's existence. They're pushing for a union at a Wal-Mart in Weyburn Saskatchewan, where the workers don't even WANT them and haven't been granted a vote on the matter. I've seen the most useless, whiny, irresponsible workers hide behind their unions, when the union knows it. They need to take some responsibility. The fact that people view them the way they currently due is not without reason.
 

petros

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Socialism/Unionism is strictly for bullies and weaklings.
You were raised as a Nazi fascist ally who ran like a girl when the commies came a knockin'. We know how easily you are intimidated.

I'm not suprised the hard nosers gave you hard time because you couldn't pull your own weight.
 

YukonJack

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You were raised as a Nazi fascist ally who ran like a girl when the commies came a knockin'. We know how easily you are intimidated.

I'm not suprised the hardnosers gave you hard time because you couldn't pull your own weight.

Not surprisingly, petros, just like always, you are wrong again.

The system tried to raise me as a COMMUNIST. I bore arms against it until the Revolution was crushed by your fellow Commies, your beloved Soviets. Then, to save my life, and more importantly, to spare my family of being guilty by association, I left. Not like a girl, running away, but like a pragmatist and realist, something that as a union sympathizer you have no idea about.

And I left the suffocating quagmire of unions, precisely because I could pull my own weight.

When you are talking about Nazi fascist, your favourite George Soros comes to mind.
 

petros

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No you ran like a ****ing girl and have been bitching ever since you got on the gravy train. Too bad the commies didn't wipe out your fascist roots. It's not too late to end up a red stain on the snow covered steppes.
 

YukonJack

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petros, the more you try to goad me into respond to your post with the same venom as you display, the more you fail.

Happy New Year to you and yours.