Why so much importance to thought?

[china]

Why has humanity given such importance to thought? Is it because it is the only thing we have, even though it is activated through the senses? Is it because thought has been able to dominate nature, dominate its surroundings, has brought about some physical security? Is it because it is the greatest instrument through which man operates, lives and benefits? Is it because thought has made the gods, the saviours, the super-consciousness, the anxiety, the fear, the sorrow, the envy, the guilt? Is it because it holds people together as a nation, as a group, as a sect? It is because it offers hope to a dark life? Is it because it gives an opening to escape from the daily boring ways of our life? Is it because not knowing what the future is, it offers the security of the past, its arrogance, its insistence on experience? Is it because in knowledge there is stability, the avoidance of fear in the certainty of the known? Is it because thought in itself has assumed the position, taken a stand against the unknown?

 

[Cliffy]

All thought originates with the ego and the ego is an immature construct of the mind of a child who did not understand what was going on and felt threatened by the insecurity of its experiences. Since we have no process in or society to kill off the childhood ego (initiation process) it rules the mind throughout life of most westerners.
To me, that is why we have such immature social, political, medical and religious systems. Logic is touted as the great accomplishment of human development but I say it is one of out biggest screw ups. Intuition, the still small voice within, is far superior to the intellect as a source of knowledge and understanding.

 

[darkbeaver]

Why has humanity given such importance to thought? Is it because it is the only thing we have, even though it is activated through the senses? Is it because thought has been able to dominate nature, dominate its surroundings, has brought about some physical security? Is it because it is the greatest instrument through which man operates, lives and benefits? Is it because thought has made the gods, the saviours, the super-consciousness, the anxiety, the fear, the sorrow, the envy, the guilt? Is it because it holds people together as a nation, as a group, as a sect? It is because it offers hope to a dark life? Is it because it gives an opening to escape from the daily boring ways of our life? Is it because not knowing what the future is, it offers the security of the past, its arrogance, its insistence on experience? Is it because in knowledge there is stability, the avoidance of fear in the certainty of the known? Is it because thought in itself has assumed the position, taken a stand against the unknown?

We were cast out of the garden and afflicted with thought as a reminder to obey god or suffer. What we think of as god certainly is subject to human thought, what god actually is, by definition, omnipotent oneness, certainly cannot be of man, at least not in the normal linear thinking of origin. God thought us and everything else into being. As much as we believe in the power of our thinking, we can never change that. You will have to agree that mankind did not assemble the universe in preparation for his own arrival therefore the power that has actualized the cosmos must necessarily be a power responsible to and for all other reality. Man has never and can never dominate nature. We will work with nature or we will surely perish. Those who think otherwise are demonic acolytes in the service of the pit. Please give as the plate is passed around.

 

[petros]

Since we have no process in or society to kill off the childhood ego (initiation process) it rules the mind throughout life of most westerners.
To me, that is why we have such immature social, political, medical and religious systems.

Oh no no no Cliffy. We do INDEED kill of the 6th sense in the child. When a child senses something and are rightfully scare we tell them it's not real and just imagination. You've never see this done? Some parents will say it nothing some wil say it is demons and you need to pray, some laugh and embarass the child for being curious about what they can still see and hear. Our ability to see what we can't see but is definetly around us was take from us by religion and myth.

 

[MHz]

The real short anwser (IMO) is we tend to mess things up quite regularly. Giving more time to thought before action is an vain attempt to increase our success percentage, it doesn't but we like to think it does.
Even without giving it much thought I would disagree with 'killing off the childhood ego', that is the base of our emotional development, for both kinds of emotions, joys and horrors.

 

[JLM]

You guys are all pretty deep this early in the morning. Thought should be a postive thing and the only times it's not is when based on a false premise or most often on no premise at all.

 

[darkbeaver]

The real short anwser (IMO) is we tend to mess things up quite regularly. Giving more time to thought before action is an vain attempt to increase our success percentage, it doesn't but we like to think it does.
Even without giving it much thought I would disagree with 'killing off the childhood ego', that is the base of our emotional development, for both kinds of emotions, joys and horrors.

I agree, suppression of the innocence of children is the first driving in of the wedge between man and nature. All other deviance begins right then when human arrogance begins to displace human innocence.

 

[darkbeaver]

Oh no no no Cliffy. We do INDEED kill of the 6th sense in the child. When a child senses something and are rightfully scare we tell them it's not real and just imagination. You've never see this done? Some parents will say it nothing some wil say it is demons and you need to pray, some laugh and embarass the child for being curious about what they can still see and hear. Our ability to see what we can't see but is definetly around us was take from us by religion and myth.

I agree except where you cite myth and religion as agents in the suppression of the sixth sense. Of course I understand that both bloody well have been co-opted for that purpose not originally intended for either. The one, religion, by definition is only a way of worship of power, every bit of myth has its origin in reality and represent attempts to record and pass on events only describable by the understanding of the times of origin. The celestial gods where without doubt the planets and the stars and as such are real and not invention at all, myth precedes science as a natural progression and certainly did and continue to inform the ancestors of those who witnessed those events and recorded them with the only available story forms of the times. In many cases the reexamination of myth in the light of advancements in science reveals the meanings obscured by time and knowledge.

 

[petros]

I agree except where you cite myth and religion as agents in the suppression of the sixth sense.

How so? When a completely positive unknown event occurs (near death accident oddly averted) and what is the first thing that comes to mind? It was guardian angels, saints, Jinn, spirit guide, kharma etc etc etc.

If something odd happens it is ghosts demons and satan himself. How many killers have claimed "They made me do it"? They who? Demons? Ghosts? Jinn?

 

[AnnaG]

Why has humanity given such importance to thought? Is it because it is the only thing we have, even though it is activated through the senses? Is it because thought has been able to dominate nature, dominate its surroundings, has brought about some physical security? Is it because it is the greatest instrument through which man operates, lives and benefits? Is it because thought has made the gods, the saviours, the super-consciousness, the anxiety, the fear, the sorrow, the envy, the guilt? Is it because it holds people together as a nation, as a group, as a sect? It is because it offers hope to a dark life? Is it because it gives an opening to escape from the daily boring ways of our life? Is it because not knowing what the future is, it offers the security of the past, its arrogance, its insistence on experience? Is it because in knowledge there is stability, the avoidance of fear in the certainty of the known? Is it because thought in itself has assumed the position, taken a stand against the unknown?

It's because if animals don't think, they cease to exist and survival is a pretty important issue with life. It's as important to us as water and air are.
Even if you aren't aware of it, your brain is constantly in action doing the thing it is best at - thinking. Some people think a lot less than others, but nevertheless, they think.

 

[Cliffy]

The real short anwser (IMO) is we tend to mess things up quite regularly. Giving more time to thought before action is an vain attempt to increase our success percentage, it doesn't but we like to think it does.
Even without giving it much thought I would disagree with 'killing off the childhood ego', that is the base of our emotional development, for both kinds of emotions, joys and horrors.

Then why are most people emotionally retarded? We allow our emotions to run our lives. Our reactions are too swift to allow rational thought. We rarely respond to life, just react. That is why so many people can get so easily bent out of shape when you challenge their beliefs about anything or just disagree with their view point.

 

[Kreskin]

Based on some conspiracy and hate threads around here, the level of importance is retracting.

 

[talloola]

You guys are all pretty deep this early in the morning. Thought should be a postive thing and the only times it's not is when based on a false premise or most often on no premise at all.

I'm with you on this JLM, we cannot control the ability to
think, so we better be smart enough to use it wisely and
make good things happen because of our thought process.

Some people's 'screwed up imaginations', mixed with
a poor thought process, mixed with poor genetics, equals
bad decisions.

 

[Cliffy]

Oh no no no Cliffy. We do INDEED kill of the 6th sense in the child. When a child senses something and are rightfully scare we tell them it's not real and just imagination. You've never see this done? Some parents will say it nothing some wil say it is demons and you need to pray, some laugh and embarass the child for being curious about what they can still see and hear. Our ability to see what we can't see but is definetly around us was take from us by religion and myth.

I don't see how these two ideas are exclusive. Our 6th sense is not attached to the ego. It has nothing to do with it. What you are describing is the beginning of the lie - the entire false reality that we live in because our "education" from the time we leave the womb is about tearing down what is real about being human and creating this Matrix, this computer construct we call reality. Yes, we are shamed into becoming less than human by denying our own divinity.

 

[darkbeaver]

How so? When a completely positive unknown event occurs (near death accident oddly averted) and what is the first thing that comes to mind? It was guardian angels, saints, Jinn, spirit guide, kharma etc etc etc.

If something odd happens it is ghosts demons and satan himself. How many killers have claimed "They made me do it"? They who? Demons? Ghosts? Jinn?

The first thing that comes to mind is OH Boy I'm alive. The second thing is I'm lucky I had a completely positive unknown event occur on me, clumsy eh, thanks be to whathisname that it was condensed down to god done it. Demons ghosts jinn are all attempts to convey the power in the unknown, lots of voices have told me to do things, mostly to pies and cookies and beer. We thought differently at different times, more with pictures and other visions then I guess. So after all these ages of employment of those words they (the words) still very successfully conveys exactly "a completely positive unknown event has occured" even if it was ball lightning and tree limbs lokking like a demon or dust devils and leaves looking like Jinn.. Just add details and costumes as required to fit the times.

I could have just said it's the guys who make money off religion and myth or cultural historical treasures of knowledge that are the middle men (agents) who have imposed themselves in the supply chain between a civilization and it's knowledge employing the agency of religion as a wedge. something like that IMO

 

[darkbeaver]

I don't see how these two ideas are exclusive. Our 6th sense is not attached to the ego. It has nothing to do with it. What you are describing is the beginning of the lie - the entire false reality that we live in because our "education" from the time we leave the womb is about tearing down what is real about being human and creating this Matrix, this computer construct we call reality. Yes, we are shamed into becoming less than human by denying our own divinity.

Dehumanize the human when they're young or you never will. We have no respect for the unknown when we graduate.

 

[Cliffy]

Dehumanize the human when they're young or you never will. We have no respect for the unknown when we graduate.

Sometimes the unknown can bite you on the ass worse than a tiger. Things that most people call the supernatural is just something they have been taught is not real. Sometimes it wants to be known and if ignored enough may act up like your kids do when you ignore them.

 

[china]

Cliffy ,

All thought originates with the ego and the ego is an immature construct..........

Thought is the reaction of memory, it is born from memory. Memory is experience as knowledge stored up in the brain cells. You can watch your own brain, you don’t have to become a specialist. The brain cells hold memory; it is a material process, there is nothing sacred, nothing holy about it. And thought has created everything that we have done: going to the moon and planting a silly flag up there; going to the depths of the sea and living there; all the complicated technology and its machinery. Thought has been responsible for all this. Your thoughts have divided the world into Britain, France,Canada,Poland and so on. And thought has created the psychological structure of the “me”. That “me” is not holy, something divine ,the me is the ego .

 

[china]

darkbeaver

Man has never and can never dominate nature.

We are nature , therefore ...........
We will work with nature or we will surely perish.

...it's is called suicide .

 

[Cliffy]

Cliffy ,
Thought is the reaction of memory, it is born from memory. Memory is experience as knowledge stored up in the brain cells. You can watch your own brain, you don’t have to become a specialist. The brain cells hold memory; it is a material process, there is nothing sacred, nothing holy about it. And thought has created everything that we have done: going to the moon and planting a silly flag up there; going to the depths of the sea and living there; all the complicated technology and its machinery. Thought has been responsible for all this. Your thoughts have divided the world into Britain, France,Canada,Poland and so on. And thought has created the psychological structure of the “me”. That “me” is not holy, something divine ,the me is the ego .

Semantics. I was referring to Me, not me.