What are your 'fringe' political ideas?

[SirJosephPorter]

I would like to personally vote for the Prime ministers position, not have it because the majority of a party.

That would make us into Presidential type of democracy, like they have in USA. Then Parliament won’t necessarily do what PM wants it to do, it will be a coequal branch with the Prime minister.

There is nothing wrong with that, it is just a different type of government. Anyway, it will never fly in Canada, once people realize that it is an American idea. Canadians have this morbid fear of blindly following anything American.

 

[El Barto]

One thing I would like to see is probably against the Charter of Rights. I would like to see those convicted of a crime losing the right to vote until their debt to society is paid, meaning no voting until all time/probation/parole is served/completed and all fines are paid in full. It offends me that people who infringe and deny the rights of others have the ability to influence their own fates and that of others in the same fashion as those who respect or at least obey the laws of society.

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I totally agree and on the flip side the obligation to vote and hell , pass a test to make sure you know what your voting for.

to me its simple . you dissobay the law you lose rights and privilages. You are a law abiding citizen you have a certain obligation to society. To be informd and know whats going on. Citizens should not be lazy.

Laws should be written in laymans terms and a guideline taught at school to understand the workins of it. The need to pay to defend yourself should be abolished completely. Anyone making money off your back so you can be represented by some legislation is totally immoral and unethical.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

One thing I would like to see is probably against the Charter of Rights. I would like to see those convicted of a crime losing the right to vote until their debt to society is paid, meaning no voting until all time/probation/parole is served/completed and all fines are paid in full.

Wulfie, is that against the Charter of Right? I didn’t know.

Not so fringe outside urban Ontario and Quebec: get rid of the long gun registry.

I am glad you included the qualifier. Support for gun registry is strong in Canada and even stronger in Ontario and Quebec. I don’t know how strong is the support in Alberta. However, overall I think a comfortable majority of Canadians support the gun registry.

Anyway, haven’t the Conservatives abolished gun registry for all practical purposes? That was my impression anyway.

 

[El Barto]

That would make us into Presidential type of democracy, like they have in USA. Then Parliament won’t necessarily do what PM wants it to do, it will be a coequal branch with the Prime minister.

There is nothing wrong with that, it is just a different type of government. Anyway, it will never fly in Canada, once people realize that it is an American idea. Canadians have this morbid fear of blindly following anything American.

The way we have it now is that we creat a puppet master. I would flip that around where the representatives create the direction,bills and laws for this country. The prime minister would be no more than an ok man and someone to rally the troops persey in parlement.

 

[CDNBear]

I totally agree and on the flip side the obligation to vote and hell , pass a test to make sure you know what your voting for.

to me its simple . you dissobay the law you lose rights and privilages. You are a law abiding citizen you have a certain obligation to society. To be informd and know whats going on. Citizens should not be lazy.

Laws should be written in laymans terms and a guideline taught at school to understand the workins of it. The need to pay to defend yourself should be abolished completely. Anyone making money off your back so you can be represented by some legislation is totally immoral and unethical.

EB, you make perfect sense.

btw, I'm glad to see that old EB again. I love it when you take a stand mon petit frère.

 

[El Barto]

EB, you make perfect sense.

btw, I'm glad to see that old EB again. I love it when you take a stand mon petit frère.

Thanks Bear , but these are old ideas being rehashed . Pretty much the same i had when i first came here 2 yrs ago.

I always look at things with an eye of what works , and how can it be improved.
Sometimes I miss the mark ..

 

[El Barto]

A thing that I see that is really not working , here and in the U.S. is this partisan bull****.
How can you get to an honest conclusion of things when its all about image and ploys to keep their jobs?
The ordinary citizen suffers for it and its so sick we thank them for it !!!!!
How stupid is that?

 

[ironsides]

My fringe political plan would be that in order to vote and participation a countries political system that you must put in 3 years in the military, 3 years working to restore poor neighborhoods within you country or do a 3 year hitch with a peace corps type organization.

Without any of these, you would have to pay stiff fines to do things the rest take for granted. marriage permit, have a child tax, no voting under any circumstances. Limit political parties to 3. Could be a lot more. Every person will have to understand that freedom does and will not be free, but is earned. Break laws and freedom is lost.

 

[CDNBear]

Thanks Bear , but these are old ideas being rehashed . Pretty much the same i had when i first came here 2 yrs ago.

Valid and missed non the less.

I always look at things with an eye of what works , and how can it be improved.
Sometimes I miss the mark ..

So? The person you were previously conversing with hasn't hit the mark since I came back. Tat doesn't stop him from shooting his mouth and foot off...:lol:

You on the other hand, are a much different person, all the way around. You base your ideas on, as you said, what you believe will work. Not what suits your ego or pomposity.

A thing that I see that is really not working , here and in the U.S. is this partisan bull****.

I agree. Hence my fringe dream of a Gov't for the people. Not the party.

How can you get to an honest conclusion of things when its all about image and ploys to keep their jobs?

You can't. The polls and the thought of not winning another term are far more appealing then actually being a leader.

The ordinary citizen suffers for it and its so sick we thank them for it !!!!! How stupid is that?

On the surface, I would say pretty stupid, but if we fail to be a part of the fabric, and shirk or responsibilities, duties and privileges as voters, we condemn ourselves to mediocrity. Which is what you see in Canadian politics today.

 

[CDNBear]

My fringe political plan would be that in order to vote and participation a countries political system that you must put in 3 years in the military, 3 years working to restore poor neighborhoods within you country or do a 3 year hitch with a peace corps type organization.

I proposed that here a couple years ago and was soundly thumped for it. I think it's an awesome idea. Compulsory military service for at least 3 years, no forced combat, just serving ones Nation.

Without any of these, you would have to pay stiff fines to do things the rest take for granted. marriage permit, have a child tax, no voting under any circumstances. Limit political parties to 3. Could be a lot more. Every person will have to understand that freedom does and will not be free, but is earned. Break laws and freedom is lost.

I'ld like to hear from a few of the other ex military types here Ironsides, because our feelings on this are quite similar. You me and the bulk of the gents and lasses I've served with and/or are currently still serving. We all seem to have the same or very similar thoughts. I wonder if that is due to the fact that we understand accutely what the cost of freedom is. I wonder if the rest of the ex types here feel similar?

 

[El Barto]

You on the other hand, are a much different person, all the way around. You base your ideas on, as you said, what you believe will work. Not what suits your ego or pomposity.

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Bear , you know how i feel uncomfortable with compliments. But I will take this one tho.

The ideas that I submitted wasn't things that I do but things i should be doing as a citizen. My stance is not as much as what others should be doing but what "I" should be doing.

Oh BTW another idea , seeming we are a small country in population . I would not be opposed to military training , somewhat like in Switzerland, without the need to keeping the arms at home tho.
Oh and yeah ......more serious steps to keeping our sovereignty too. Internally and externally. Talking about the north and immigrant affairs.

 

[Cliffy]

Bear,

There is a good reason that most native leaders are corrupt. Most of them are apples recruited by the government to keep your people down.

 

[JLM]

Dump partisan politics into the toilet where it belongs.
Slim gov'ts to more efficient levels.
Promote economies to change to those that consider our effects on our planet.
Allow people to live whatever lifestyle they choose.
There's a couple fringes from me.

Hey, a man after my own heart. :smile:

 

[JLM]

"Slim government to more efficient levels. How is that fringe? Have you ever come across anyone oppose making government more efficient?'

Yep, the majority of people who expect "Gov't" to provide services and do most everything for them.

 

[CDNBear]

Bear , you know how i feel uncomfortable with compliments. But I will take this one tho.

;-)

The ideas that I submitted wasn't things that I do but things i should be doing as a citizen. My stance is not as much as what others should be doing but what "I" should be doing.

That's because you are introspective EB.

Oh BTW another idea , seeming we are a small country in population . I would not be opposed to military training , somewhat like in Switzerland, without the need to keeping the arms at home tho.

I agree, in fact, when I say no forced combat, I mean, that anyone conscripted, could not be forced to participate in any combat. Nore be forced to train in combat rolls. They would learn cursory weapons skills, much like the Canadian Cadet Corp. The bulk of their service would entail training, regimentation, discipline and comradeship.

Oh and yeah ......more serious steps to keeping our sovereignty too. Internally and externally. Talking about the north and immigrant affairs.

EB, you and I have a little Quebecois in us don't we, ;-)...:lol:

Bear,

There is a good reason that most native leaders are corrupt. Most of them are apples recruited by the government to keep your people down.

Cliffy, I've been called an apple for my position and fight against the corruption, funny that.

But I agree. Not all are corrupt, but far too many are.

 

[CDNBear]

"Slim government to more efficient levels. How is that fringe? Have you ever come across anyone oppose making government more efficient?'

Yep, the majority of people who expect "Gov't" to provide services and do most everything for them.

So Liberals and NDP then?

:lol:

 

[JLM]

So Liberals and NDP then?

:lol:

Yep, they are as guilty if not more so than anyone. Actually what it boils down to is greed and greed isn't confined to any political philosophy.

 

[El Barto]

;-)



I agree, in fact, when I say no forced combat, I mean, that anyone conscripted, could not be forced to participate in any combat. Nore be forced to train in combat rolls. They would learn cursory weapons skills, much like the Canadian Cadet Corp. The bulk of their service would entail training, regimentation, discipline and comradeship.
EB, you and I have a little Quebecois in us don't we, ;-)...:lol:

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Actually some trianing in how to execute orders and such as we don't know what crysis we can have , but it would be nice to say that we have our citizens to help out at a moments notice. The ice storm of 98 is a good example where we could of used that mobilization.

Bear Soveriegnty isn't a Quebec thing. I am worried of this country. We are slowly being pushed from outside our borders and inside too.

Heres a fringe
You are a citizen of this country, with rights and privilages then you owe the country soemthing back , not just taxollars.

 

[captain morgan]

Heres a fringe
You are a citizen of this country, with rights and privilages then you owe the country soemthing back , not just taxollars.

You're asking wwaaayyyy too much here in the land of perpetual rights and entitlement.

 

[CDNBear]

Yep, they are as guilty if not more so than anyone. Actually what it boils down to is greed and greed isn't confined to any political philosophy.

Nah, laziness. Greed is pretty much locked up by the right. The left seems pretty socialist, so you know they want to give the store away to anyone with their hand out. If history shows us anything, it is that the system is as susceptible to abuse from either side. I'ld just rather be free to do as I wish while we're circling the bowl. I have no need of the Gov't telling me how I should feel. ;-)