Our Glorious Afghan Mission

[einmensch]

Colpy special

Now this is cute Germany theeee FREE country ""Er"" the USA occupied country

By DAVID RISING, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 31, 11:28 AM ET


BERLIN - Four American soldiers accused of involvement in the slaying of prisoners in Iraq will be brought before a military tribunal in Germany next month, the Army said Thursday.
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The enlisted soldiers are scheduled for an Article 32 hearing Aug. 26 to determine if there is enough evidence to court martial them on charges of conspiracy to commit premeditated murder, according to an Army statement. Why not in Canada we have US soldiers here?

 

[scratch]

Colpy special

Now this is cute Germany theeee FREE country ""Er"" the USA occupied country

By DAVID RISING, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 31, 11:28 AM ET


BERLIN - Four American soldiers accused of involvement in the slaying of prisoners in Iraq will be brought before a military tribunal in Germany next month, the Army said Thursday.
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The enlisted soldiers are scheduled for an Article 32 hearing Aug. 26 to determine if there is enough evidence to court martial them on charges of conspiracy to commit premeditated murder, according to an Army statement. Why not in Canada we have US soldiers here?

A W5 on the U.S. soldiers.........

 

[einmensch]

Quoting einmensch Kara, you are a true blond. No oil worth mentioning in Afghanistan but the Big Boys want to build a Gas Pipeline from Turmenistan to Pakistan aas well as a an oil pipeline and so Canada has decided to help.

http://www.911myths.com/html/9_11_an..._pipeline.html
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Afghan pipeline.

Right.

I heard that before. They'ver been in control (more or less) in Afghanistan for 6 1/2 years.

Where's the pipeline????????

Hmmmm?????

http://www.slate.com/?id=2059487&device=
__________________
"Really don't mind if you sit this one out
My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout".......Ian Anderson

Maybe you should have sat this one out COLPY ,Hmmm!

 

[darkbeaver]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Disaster in Afghanistan[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial] John W. Warnock[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial]September 9, 2008

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]It is difficult to find out what is really going on in Afghanistan. The focus of the mass media is almost entirely on the military activities of the Canadian and NATO forces. There is absolutely no coverage of political developments. The news on the economy is limited to the state of the poppy industry. This is no accident. The North American media, including the CBC, has strongly supported the U.S./NATO strategy and the administration of President Hamid Karzai. Contrary to the mainstream message, things are not going well.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Rise in civilian casualties

Over the past few weeks NATO forces have killed civilians in a number of incidents, and popular opposition to the western military effort is increasing. On August 22 the United States bombed the village of Azizabad in Herat province; the result was the death of 91 civilians, including over 60 children. Rockets and missiles were also used. Many homes were destroyed. Local citizens stoned the Afghan army when they tried to distribute supplies. NATO forces in Paktika province launched an artillery attack on a village on September 1 as part of a general sweep-and-destroy mission against Taliban forces. Three children were killed and seven injured. That same day U.S. and Afghan forces carried out an overnight raid in Hud Kheil, east of Kabul. A family of four, including two children, were killed when hand grenades were thrown into their house. In Kabul hundreds blocked the main road out of town protesting the military practices of the international forces.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Afghan government and NATO attacks In response to the steady increase of civilian deaths this year, the Afghan parliament passed a resolution in August calling on the Karzai administration to negotiate a new status-of-forces agreement with NATO and United States, making it consistent with Afghan and international law. President Karzai’s cabinet demanded "an end to air attacks in civilian areas, illegal detentions and unilateral house searches." There is growing opposition to the presence of the occupying forces. The Senlis Council reported in June 2008 that in their most recent recent public opinion survey "more than six out of ten of those interviewed ... said that foreign troops should leave." This is the position taken by many of the democratic parties in Afghanistan. Malalai Joya, the outspoken critic of the Karzai government, has called for all foreign troops to leave the country. She argues that Afghans can settle[/FONT]http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m47093&hd=&size=1&l=e

 

[darkbeaver]

Has the U.S. Invasion of Pakistan Begun?

By Tom Engelhardt

17/09/08 ---- "Tomgram" --- As Andrew Bacevich tells us in the latest issue of the Atlantic, there's now a vigorous debate going on in the military about the nature of the "next" American wars and how to prepare for them. However, while military officers argue, that "next war" may already be creeping up on us.
Having, with much hoopla, launched wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, each disastrous in its own way, the Bush administration in its waning months seems intent on a slo-mo launching of a third war in the border regions of Pakistan. Almost every day now news trickles out of intensified American strikes -- by Hellfire-missile armed Predator drones, or even commando raids from helicopters -- in the Pakistani tribal areas along the Afghan border; and there is a drumbeat of threats of more to come. All of this, in turn, is reportedly only "phase one" of a three-phase Bush administration plan in which the American military "gloves" would "come off." Think of this as the green-lighting of a new version of that old Vietnam-era tactic of "hot pursuit" across national borders, or think of it simply as the latest war.
Already Pakistan's sovereignty has functionally been declared of no significance by our President, and so, without a word from Congress, the American war that already stretches from Iraq to Afghanistan is threatening to widen in ways that are potentially incendiary in the extreme. While Pakistani sources report that no significant Taliban or al-Qaeda figures have been killed in the recent series of attacks, anger in Pakistan over the abrogation of national sovereignty and, as in Afghanistan, over civilian casualties is growing.
In Iraq, 146,000 American soldiers seem not to be going anywhere anytime soon, while in Afghanistan another 33,000 embattled American troops (and tens of thousands of NATO troops), suffering their highest casualties since the Taliban fell in 2001, are fighting a spreading insurgency backed by growing anger over foreign occupation. The disintegration seems to be proceeding apace in that country as the Taliban begins to throttle the supply routes leading into the Afghan capital of Kabul, while the governor of a province just died in an IED blast. "President" Hamid Karzai was long ago nicknamed "the mayor of Kabul." Today, that tag seems ever more appropriate as the influence of his corrupt government steadily weakens.
In the meantime, in Pakistan, a new war, no less unpredictable and unpalatable than the last two, develops, as American strikes fan the flames of Pakistani nationalism. Already the Pakistani military may have fired its first warning shots at American troops. Part of the horror here is that much of the present nightmare in Afghanistan and Pakistan can be traced to the sorry U.S. relationship with Pakistan's military and its intelligence services back in the early 1980s. At that time, in its anti-Soviet jihad, the Reagan administration was, in conjunction with the Pakistanis, actively nurturing the forces that the Bush administration is now so intent on fighting. No one knows this story, this record, better than the Pakistani-born journalist and writer Tariq Ali.
As we head into our "next war," most Americans know almost nothing about Pakistan, the sixth most populous country on the planet with 200 million people, and the only Islamic state with nuclear weapons. As the Bush administration commits to playing with fire in that desperately poor land, it's time to learn. Ali, who posts below on the next U.S. war, has just written a new book, The Duel: Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power -- published today -- that traces the U.S.-Pakistani relationship from the 1950s to late last night. I can tell you that it's both riveting and needed. Check it out. And while you're at it, check Ali out in a two-part video, released by TomDispatch, in which he discusses the history of the tangled U.S.-Pakistani relationship and Barack Obama's Afghan and Pakistani plans. Tom
The American War Moves to Pakistan

Bush's War Widens Dangerously

By Tariq Ali
The decision to make public a presidential order of last July authorizing American strikes inside Pakistan without seeking the approval of the Pakistani government ends a long debate within, and on the periphery of, the Bush administration. Senator Barack Obama, aware of this ongoing debate during his own long battle with Hillary Clinton, tried to outflank her by supporting a policy of U.S. strikes into Pakistan. Senator John McCain and Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin have now echoed this view and so it has become, by consensus, official U.S. policy.
Its effects on Pakistan could be catastrophic, creating a severe crisis within the army and in the country at large. The overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are opposed to the U.S. presence in the region, viewing it as the most serious threat to peace.
Why, then, has the U.S. decided to destabilize a crucial ally? Within Pakistan, some analysts argue that this is a carefully coordinated move to weaken the Pakistani state yet further by creating a crisis that extends way beyond the badlands on the frontier with Afghanistan. Its ultimate aim, they claim, would be the extraction of the Pakistani military's nuclear fangs. If this were the case, it would imply that Washington was indeed determined to break up the Pakistani state, since the country would very simply not survive a disaster on that scale.
In my view, however, the expansion of the war relates far more to the Bush administration's disastrous occupation in Afghanistan. It is hardly a secret that the regime of President Hamid Karzai is becoming more isolated with each passing day, as Taliban guerrillas move ever closer to Kabul.
When in doubt, escalate the war is an old imperial motto. The strikes against Pakistan represent -- like the decisions of President Richard Nixon and his National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger to bomb and then invade Cambodia (acts that, in the end, empowered Pol Pot and his monsters) -- a desperate bid to salvage a war that was never good, but has now gone badly wrong.
It is true that those resisting the NATO occupation cross the Pakistan-Afghan border with ease. However, the U.S. has often engaged in quiet negotiations with them. Several feelers have been put out to the Taliban in Pakistan, while U.S. intelligence experts regularly check into the Serena Hotel in Swat to discuss possibilities with Mullah Fazlullah, a local pro-Taliban leader. The same is true inside Afghanistan.
After the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, a whole layer of the Taliban's middle-level leadership crossed the border into Pakistan to regroup and plan for what lay ahead. By 2003, their guerrilla factions were starting to harass the occupying forces in Afghanistan and, during 2004, they began to be joined by a new generation of local recruits, by no means all jihadists, who were being radicalized by the occupation itself.
Though, in the world of the Western media, the Taliban has been entirely conflated with al-Qaeda, most of their supporters are, in fact, driven by quite local concerns. If NATO and the U.S. were to leave Afghanistan, their political evolution would most likely parallel that of Pakistan's domesticated Islamists.
The neo-Taliban now control at least twenty Afghan districts in Kandahar, Helmand, and Uruzgan provinces. It is hardly a secret that many officials in these zones are closet supporters of the guerrilla fighters. Though often characterized as a rural jacquerie they have won significant support in southern towns and they even led a Tet-style offensive in Kandahar in 2006. Elsewhere, mullahs who had initially supported President Karzai's allies are now railing against the foreigners and the government in Kabul. For the first time, calls for jihad against the occupation are even being heard in the non-Pashtun northeast border provinces of Takhar and Badakhshan.
The neo-Taliban have said that they will not join any government until "the foreigners" have left their country, which raises the question of the strategic aims of the United States. Is it the case, as NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer suggested to an audience at the Brookings Institution earlier this year, that the war in Afghanistan has little to do with spreading good governance in Afghanistan or even destroying the remnants of al-Qaeda? Is it part of a master plan, as outlined by a strategist in NATO Review in the Winter of 2005, to expand the focus of NATO from the Euro-Atlantic zone, because "in the 21st century NATO must become an alliance… designed to project systemic stability beyond its borders"?
As that strategist went on to write:

"The centre of gravity of power on this planet is moving inexorably eastward. As it does, the nature of power itself is changing. The Asia-Pacific region brings much that is dynamic and positive to this world, but as yet the rapid change therein is neither stable nor embedded in stable institutions. Until this is achieved, it is the strategic responsibility of Europeans and North Americans, and the institutions they have built, to lead the way… ecurity effectiveness in such a world is impossible without both legitimacy and capability."​

Such a strategy implies a permanent military presence on the borders of both China and Iran. Given that this is unacceptable to most Pakistanis and Afghans, it will only create a state of permanent mayhem in the region, resulting in ever more violence and terror, as well as heightened support for jihadi extremism, which, in turn, will but further stretch an already over-extended empire.
Globalizers often speak as though U.S. hegemony and the spread of capitalism were the same thing. This was certainly the case during the Cold War, but the twin aims of yesteryear now stand in something closer to an inverse relationship. For, in certain ways, it is the very spread of capitalism that is gradually eroding U.S. hegemony in the world. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's triumph in Georgia was a dramatic signal of this fact. The American push into the Greater Middle East in recent years, designed to demonstrate Washington's primacy over the Eurasian powers, has descended into remarkable chaos, necessitating support from the very powers it was meant to put on notice.
Pakistan's new, indirectly elected President, Asif Zardari, the husband of the assassinated Benazir Bhutto and a Pakistani "godfather" of the first order, indicated his support for U.S. strategy by inviting Afghanistan's Hamid Karzai to attend his inauguration, the only foreign leader to do so. Twinning himself with a discredited satrap in Kabul may have impressed some in Washington, but it only further decreased support for the widower Bhutto in his own country.
The key in Pakistan, as always, is the army. If the already heightened U.S. raids inside the country continue to escalate, the much-vaunted unity of the military High Command might come under real strain. At a meeting of corps commanders in Rawalpindi on September 12th, Pakistani Chief of Staff General Ashfaq Kayani received unanimous support for his relatively mild public denunciation of the recent U.S. strikes inside Pakistan in which he said the country's borders and sovereignty would be defended "at all cost."
Saying, however, that the Army will safeguard the country's sovereignty is different from doing so in practice. This is the heart of the contradiction. Perhaps the attacks will cease on November 4th. Perhaps pigs (with or without lipstick) will fly. What is really required in the region is an American/NATO exit strategy from Afghanistan, which should entail a regional solution involving Pakistan, Iran, India, and Russia. These four states could guarantee a national government and massive social reconstruction in that country. No matter what, NATO and the Americans have failed abysmally.

 

[darkbeaver]

Road to Perdition: Yet Another Atrocity in Afghanistan, More to Come
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Chris Floyd[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,Arial]
On Wednesday night, the BBC reported that a British soldier had been killed in Helmland province in Afghanistan. On Thursday night, the BBC reported that an airstrike by as-yet unidentified "foreign forces" has killed at least 18 civilians -- in Helmland province. From the BBC: A BBC reporter in the provincial capital Lashkar Gah saw the bodies - three women and the rest children - ranging in age from six months to 15. The families brought the bodies from their village in the Nad Ali district, where they say the air strike occurred. A further nine bodies are said to be trapped under destroyed buildings. Nato-led forces say they are investigating the incident in an area where the British military are known to operate. This attack comes on top of an even more horrific mass slaughter a few weeks ago, when an American airstrike killed more than 90 civilians in Azizabad. Then, the Pentagon, with the connivance of FOX "journalist" Oliver North -- who made his bones running guns from the mullhas of Iran to the terrorist Contra army in Nicargua -- at first denied that any citizens were killed in the village, then tried to insinuate that the Taliban had planted the dead bodies. Only after video evidence and on-the-ground probes by the Afghan government and the UN did the Pentagon re-open its investigation, and finally admit that, well, maybe a few civilians did get knicked, er, fatally, in what was otherwise a magnificent feat of arms against a bristling enemy position...
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial] [FONT=Verdana,Arial]continua / continued [48013] [ 17-oct-2008 06:21 ECT ][/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Risus]

Who are these people you so gladly quote???

 

[darkbeaver]

Who are these people you so gladly quote???

Hey Risus, if you can't read it for yourself or your caregiver is busy with other patients at this moment you could continue on with your colouring books till someone is free to explain the world to you.:smile:

 

[Risus]

Hey Risus, if you can't read it for yourself or your caregiver is busy with other patients at this moment you could continue on with your colouring books till someone is free to explain the world to you.:smile:

Don't be an a-hole.

OK, then they have no credentials and anyway they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Sort of sounds like you.

 

[darkbeaver]

Don't be an a-hole.

OK, then they have no credentials and anyway they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Sort of sounds like you.

You want to fight, that's good, twit. You can't read can you? Don't be embarassed many punks like you are intimadated by more than a couple hundred words, now **** off clown.:lol:

 

[Risus]

You want to fight, that's good, twit. You can't read can you? Don't be embarassed many punks like you are intimadated by more than a couple hundred words, now **** off clown.:lol:

Hmmm you take the violent tact if people don't agree with you, or you don't get your own way? I bet you used to take your ball and go home when you were a kid.

 

[darkbeaver]

Hmmm you take the violent tact if people don't agree with you, or you don't get your own way? I bet you used to take your ball and go home when you were a kid.

Am I violent Risus, or have you given up already and thrown your suit to the deliberations of the forum at large? Whatever I did with my balls nobody got hurt, but thanks for thinking about them.:lol:

 

[Risus]

Am I violent Risus, or have you given up already and thrown your suit to the deliberations of the forum at large? Whatever I did with my balls nobody got hurt, but thanks for thinking about them.:lol:

8O I don't teally want to know what you did with your balls...;-)

 

[EagleSmack]

Don't be an a-hole.

OK, then they have no credentials and anyway they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Sort of sounds like you.

Since when does DB have to back anything up? He hasn't ever done it before...why should he start now?

If it is on Global Research...that is all he needs to know.

 

[darkbeaver]

Since when does DB have to back anything up? He hasn't ever done it before...why should he start now?

If it is on Global Research...that is all he needs to know.

Goodevening Smack, how are you doin?

 

[gopher]

People continue to die in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan thanks to Bush and the matter is totally ignored in the States.

Very sad.

 

[mabudon]

YAAAAY 30 million + on a fine western-style justice system!!

TheStar.com | Opinion | Rank Afghan injustice

I thought we were AGAINST the barbaric re/oppression based on religious beliefs

Maybe NOW that whole "little girls are going to school" crap can FINALLY go away- all the touchy-feely talking points that are the ONLY thing we were supposed to feel good about are an outright lie- so what the hell are we REALLY trying to accomplish, since "eliminating an oppressive fundamentalist theocracy" is NOT the deal

 

[Colpy]

YAAAAY 30 million + on a fine western-style justice system!!

TheStar.com | Opinion | Rank Afghan injustice

I thought we were AGAINST the barbaric re/oppression based on religious beliefs

Maybe NOW that whole "little girls are going to school" crap can FINALLY go away- all the touchy-feely talking points that are the ONLY thing we were supposed to feel good about are an outright lie- so what the hell are we REALLY trying to accomplish, since "eliminating an oppressive fundamentalist theocracy" is NOT the deal

No, it is not "the deal".

Keeping that Islamic state out of the hands of lunatics that are so much worse than those presently in power.........

And not for the benefit of Afghans, although that is a bonus....

To deny our Islamo-fascist enemies a base in which to train, recruit, gather information, plan, and implement terror attacks on the west under the full co-operation and support of the government.

That is our main objective and, so far, we've been smashingly successful.

 

[EagleSmack]

No, it is not "the deal".

Keeping that Islamic state out of the hands of lunatics that are so much worse than those presently in power.........

And not for the benefit of Afghans, although that is a bonus....

To deny our Islamo-fascist enemies a base in which to train, recruit, gather information, plan, and implement terror attacks on the west under the full co-operation and support of the government.

That is our main objective and, so far, we've been smashingly successful.

Some would never admit it though. They are invested in losing. I've never seen so many folks ACHING to lose a war!

 

[mabudon]

In my opinion (that's right, it's based on everything I have seen and read, both historically and recently) the damn thing will be lost in 1 year or 100 years.

I am not "aching for a loss", the loss happened before the fiasco even began- I am waiting for the actual truth to be countenanced is all