Ranter
Posts: 158 
Location: here, there, and everywhere...
Location: here, there, and everywhere...
February 21st, 2007, 12:07 PM
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Quite and correct too - no way will he call one - what's the point of winning another minority - but, if Celine forces one over the budget, that's different, the public will punish the Liberals with a timeout akin to the Conservatives under Mulroney - meanwhile, the Tory attack ads have helped Charest in Qweebek as you will see by the third week of March - in the meantime, all Harper need do is simply carry on doing exactly what he's doing - for the nutters, foilers, Lieberal and Dipper sycophants out there - that would be called LEADERSHIP - a concept most if not all the aforementioned have difficulty envisioning, let alone understanding. . . .
He has no intention of running another campaign to have another minority is what he is really saying...
I noticed a statement in the first threat saying he's be an idiot for going to the polls with 30% canadian elections are alway in the 30-35% range...
I noticed a statement in the first threat saying he's be an idiot for going to the polls with 30% canadian elections are alway in the 30-35% range...
Bright Spark
Posts: 279
Location: Ontario, Sadly
Location: Ontario, Sadly
February 21st, 2007, 02:33 PM
Now regarding spending on this ad without an election in sight. Well if there were an election on the go then all of this spending would be monitored (I think - I'm a bit fuzzy on the election spending rules). Since there is no election at the moment the spending is just political spending. And since the Conservatives have a bunch of cash it's a good investment in keeping the popularity of the opponent on the decline.
Quoting Avro
You're confusing reality with perception. Of course he's bending the truth and the 1% of canadians who pay attention to this (like us) will be able to see it for what it is. However for the bulk of the Canadian voters - those same people who support Kyoto but have no idea what it may mean - they will be easily lead. The problem with this kind of attack ad is that it works, so this is the kind of thing political parties do.
No, he is bending the truth, just like the Libs did in the last election.......and it turned out to be a big mistake for them. Canadians rejected the american style attack ads, they could do it again if Dion takes the high road....but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't want an election but I'll spend money on attack ads for no reason, but let me be clear I don't want an election.....is the bus warmed up yet?
It couldn't be anymore transparent.
I don't want an election but I'll spend money on attack ads for no reason, but let me be clear I don't want an election.....is the bus warmed up yet?
It couldn't be anymore transparent.
Now regarding spending on this ad without an election in sight. Well if there were an election on the go then all of this spending would be monitored (I think - I'm a bit fuzzy on the election spending rules). Since there is no election at the moment the spending is just political spending. And since the Conservatives have a bunch of cash it's a good investment in keeping the popularity of the opponent on the decline.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,295
Location: Canada
Location: Canada
February 25th, 2007, 01:51 AM
just a thort here... but if we had "another terrorist attack" against the us involving the border...and what say just for a lark, we blame iran, what would that do to any elections in the wings....remembering that steve is a shrub supporter/suppository
just a thort here... but if we had "another terrorist attack" against the us involving the border...and what say just for a lark, we blame iran, what would that do to any elections in the wings....remembering that steve is a shrub supporter/suppository
Bright Spark
Posts: 301
Location: Whitby, Ontario
Location: Whitby, Ontario
March 17th, 2007, 09:12 PM
Chretien won a majority with 38% of the vote.
The Conservatives are currently sitting on 36%. 40% pretty much guarantees a majority but 38 or 39% is still possible for a majority.
With the population boom in the West and mostly Alberta, it's not impossible for 7 or 8 more seats to become available by the next election. At least 5 or 6 of those seats will go Tory Blue with the others likely going NDP or even Green. The Liberal party is practically extinct West of Ontario. As the West gains more and more power, the Liberal party may never rule this country ever again.
Chretien won a majority with 38% of the vote.
The Conservatives are currently sitting on 36%. 40% pretty much guarantees a majority but 38 or 39% is still possible for a majority.
With the population boom in the West and mostly Alberta, it's not impossible for 7 or 8 more seats to become available by the next election. At least 5 or 6 of those seats will go Tory Blue with the others likely going NDP or even Green. The Liberal party is practically extinct West of Ontario. As the West gains more and more power, the Liberal party may never rule this country ever again.
Bright Spark
Posts: 251
March 18th, 2007, 09:03 AM
It would not be in the best interest of Harper to call an election because under his leadership in the past year the conservative party accomplished very little.
He had his environmental minister sign onto to the Kyoto agreement but this hasn’t fooled most Canadians because if he gets a majority he can cancel this deal if he wants to.
The liberal party has a good track record on helping all Canadians not just a few as with the conservative.
We just have to wait and see what kind of federal budget Harper will give us and if it’s bad then what will happen will happen.
It would not be in the best interest of Harper to call an election because under his leadership in the past year the conservative party accomplished very little.
He had his environmental minister sign onto to the Kyoto agreement but this hasn’t fooled most Canadians because if he gets a majority he can cancel this deal if he wants to.
The liberal party has a good track record on helping all Canadians not just a few as with the conservative.
We just have to wait and see what kind of federal budget Harper will give us and if it’s bad then what will happen will happen.
March 18th, 2007, 09:05 AM
You're kidding right???!!!
The only people the Liberals hav helped over the last 13 years, is themselves, to our money!!!
Quoting Liberalman
rotflmffao!!! The liberal party has a good track record on helping all Canadians not just a few as with the conservative.
You're kidding right???!!!
The only people the Liberals hav helped over the last 13 years, is themselves, to our money!!!
March 18th, 2007, 09:22 AM
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ca...eless+liberals
Scroll down to the 199 reasons the Liberals are morally bankrupt.
And compare that to Bulroney's stupidity.
Weak, very very weak.
Quoting Liberalman
What a weak arguement.
You can say the same about the conservatives look at the Mulroney years that is why the liberals had a majority for for twelve years
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ca...eless+liberals
Scroll down to the 199 reasons the Liberals are morally bankrupt.
And compare that to Bulroney's stupidity.
Weak, very very weak.
Bright Spark
Posts: 251
March 18th, 2007, 10:00 AM
Look at the conservatives and their broken promises.
I gave Harper a chance to do well, but his transparency government is not there and lets not forget the conservative broken promises.
Did he say he was not going to touch income trusts?
Did he say that he was not going to include provincial resources in the provincial equalization deals?
Lets not forget the un-elected people holding cabinet positions.
My favorite is any person crossing the floor has to sit as an independent.
These are Stephen Harper’s promises that he broke in less than a year in office.
It took Mulroney two terms before he broke his promises.
This is why the conservatives will lose the next federal election.
Look at the conservatives and their broken promises.
I gave Harper a chance to do well, but his transparency government is not there and lets not forget the conservative broken promises.
Did he say he was not going to touch income trusts?
Did he say that he was not going to include provincial resources in the provincial equalization deals?
Lets not forget the un-elected people holding cabinet positions.
My favorite is any person crossing the floor has to sit as an independent.
These are Stephen Harper’s promises that he broke in less than a year in office.
It took Mulroney two terms before he broke his promises.
This is why the conservatives will lose the next federal election.
March 18th, 2007, 10:09 AM
Just because you use big bold type, does not a good arguement make.
The ballance of corruption and promise breaking is out of wack my friend. Not that I would expect a follower of the LPoC to see the trees for the forest.
I would find the LPoC a lil easier to swallow, if all they did was break the odd promise, but they broke a multitude of those and an even greater number of sphinkters as well. Their corruption and thievery is the stuff of legends.
Just because you use big bold type, does not a good arguement make.
The ballance of corruption and promise breaking is out of wack my friend. Not that I would expect a follower of the LPoC to see the trees for the forest.
I would find the LPoC a lil easier to swallow, if all they did was break the odd promise, but they broke a multitude of those and an even greater number of sphinkters as well. Their corruption and thievery is the stuff of legends.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,883 
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
March 18th, 2007, 10:25 AM
First of all, Mulroney was a Progressive Conservative, a party now non-existent. THe CPC is leavened with ex-Reformers, people (like myself) who left Mulroney and the PCs in disgust on matters of principle.
Funny how no Liberals departed the fold, even when Chretien was running the most corrupt government by far in Canadian history.......I suspect that is because Liberals don't understand the meaning of the word "principle".
Has Harper broken promises he made in the election?
Yes......as has every other politician that ever ran. And, I have to add, the income trust decision was absolutely necessary......couldn't be helped. At least Harper had the cojones to do what was necessary, instead of dancing around crying "Oh Me, Oh My!" like Martin...........
Harper has done as much as could be expected with a minority gov't............he is repairing our relationship with our greatest ally, he is rebuilding our military (destroyed by the Liberals), and with it our international reputation (likewise)..............
I would be very careful were I a Liberal.......well, were I a Liberal I'd go to the basement and shoot myself (with a registered rifle) out of shame, which may be why I am NOT a Liberal.....
But I digress.
I think you will find the Liberals not at all eager for a fight.
They are smart enough to know when they are out-gunned.
Quoting Liberalman
Look at the conservatives and their broken promises.
I gave Harper a chance to do well, but his transparency government is not there and lets not forget the conservative broken promises.
Did he say he was not going to touch income trusts?
Did he say that he was not going to include provincial resources in the provincial equalization deals?
Lets not forget the un-elected people holding cabinet positions.
My favorite is any person crossing the floor has to sit as an independent.
These are Stephen Harper’s promises that he broke in less than a year in office.
It took Mulroney two terms before he broke his promises.
This is why the conservatives will lose the next federal election.
You really don't have a clue, do you?Look at the conservatives and their broken promises.
I gave Harper a chance to do well, but his transparency government is not there and lets not forget the conservative broken promises.
Did he say he was not going to touch income trusts?
Did he say that he was not going to include provincial resources in the provincial equalization deals?
Lets not forget the un-elected people holding cabinet positions.
My favorite is any person crossing the floor has to sit as an independent.
These are Stephen Harper’s promises that he broke in less than a year in office.
It took Mulroney two terms before he broke his promises.
This is why the conservatives will lose the next federal election.
First of all, Mulroney was a Progressive Conservative, a party now non-existent. THe CPC is leavened with ex-Reformers, people (like myself) who left Mulroney and the PCs in disgust on matters of principle.
Funny how no Liberals departed the fold, even when Chretien was running the most corrupt government by far in Canadian history.......I suspect that is because Liberals don't understand the meaning of the word "principle".
Has Harper broken promises he made in the election?
Yes......as has every other politician that ever ran. And, I have to add, the income trust decision was absolutely necessary......couldn't be helped. At least Harper had the cojones to do what was necessary, instead of dancing around crying "Oh Me, Oh My!" like Martin...........
Harper has done as much as could be expected with a minority gov't............he is repairing our relationship with our greatest ally, he is rebuilding our military (destroyed by the Liberals), and with it our international reputation (likewise)..............
I would be very careful were I a Liberal.......well, were I a Liberal I'd go to the basement and shoot myself (with a registered rifle) out of shame, which may be why I am NOT a Liberal.....
But I digress.
I think you will find the Liberals not at all eager for a fight.
They are smart enough to know when they are out-gunned.
Genius
Posts: 821
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
March 18th, 2007, 10:57 AM
Maybe an early election is by design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorit...ents_in_Canada
"As of March 9, 2007 the average duration of a minority Government in Canada is 579 Days or approximately 1 year, and 7 months."
I don't have the stats for if any party ever came back with a majority, or if one party failed more times than the other.
In a minority govt why don't they just let the people who can vote decide on the fate of any bill, like NAFTA,etc. rather than try for getting a majority.
The Fed should be from the ones elected to Provincial powers, the taxpayers are being double billed for the same services.
Maybe an early election is by design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorit...ents_in_Canada
"As of March 9, 2007 the average duration of a minority Government in Canada is 579 Days or approximately 1 year, and 7 months."
I don't have the stats for if any party ever came back with a majority, or if one party failed more times than the other.
In a minority govt why don't they just let the people who can vote decide on the fate of any bill, like NAFTA,etc. rather than try for getting a majority.
The Fed should be from the ones elected to Provincial powers, the taxpayers are being double billed for the same services.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
March 18th, 2007, 11:03 AM
We'd all love electoral form but given the size and diversity of Canada we'll always have a federal government stretched to meet expectations and constantly offering compromise. The best run states will always be smaller states where an agenda can be planned and, more importantly, achieved.
We'd all love electoral form but given the size and diversity of Canada we'll always have a federal government stretched to meet expectations and constantly offering compromise. The best run states will always be smaller states where an agenda can be planned and, more importantly, achieved.
March 18th, 2007, 11:09 AM
Quoting tamarin
You can't please all of the people all of the time.
We'd all love electoral form but given the size and diversity of Canada we'll always have a federal government stretched to meet expectations and constantly offering compromise. The best run states will always be smaller states where an agenda can be planned and, more importantly, achieved.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
March 18th, 2007, 11:31 AM
I still think Canada will break up at some point. The map of North America in 2100 will be starkly different than what is seen today. Those provinces that are able to should be planning now for independence. When bad times finally hit - and we're overdue for a doozie as Aunt Mabel would say - we'll see the folly of trying to operate a country through equalization payments.
I still think Canada will break up at some point. The map of North America in 2100 will be starkly different than what is seen today. Those provinces that are able to should be planning now for independence. When bad times finally hit - and we're overdue for a doozie as Aunt Mabel would say - we'll see the folly of trying to operate a country through equalization payments.
