Let's Bring Back the Old Gods!

Spade
#1
Now, gentle posters, I've been giving this some thought. If we, as Canadians, are stuck with a sovereign from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (I know, they're calling themselves Windsors now), why not go all the way and not only have North-Germanic kings and queens but the Old Anglo-Saxon, Norse, Germanic Gods as well?
Tiw (external - login to view)
From time to time, when bored, I slip into the theological debates on this message board. May I quote from one where tempers continue to rage?!
Quote:
"Jesus was a prophet!"
"No, he wasn't"
"Yes, he was!"
"No, he wasn't!"
"Well, what was he then?"
"He was God!"
"No, he wasn't!"
"Yes, he was!"
"There is no God!"
"Yes, there is!"
No, there is not!"
"You're going to go to hell!"
"No, I'm not"
"Yes, you are"
"There is no hell"
"Is, too!"
"Isn't!"
And so on, and so forth.

Now wouldn't an argument about Tiw or Woden be a pleasant change?
Try it, it may be fun!
 
Cliffy
#2
I have always been of the mind that if you live on a land, you should know what the spirituality that was born out of that land (ie: the native spirituality of whatever tribe occupied the territory you are living in).
 
Spade
#3
I agree. Anna mentioned the Windigo the other day.
Wendigo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
I suggest it is foolhardy to ignore both the good and malevolent spirits who dwelt in the woods and on the plains well before Saint George and the dragon!
Mind you, we may be treading on royalist toes!
 
Spade
#4
 
Cliffy
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

I agree. Anna mentioned the Windigo the other day.
Wendigo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
I suggest it is foolhardy to ignore both the good and malevolent spirits who dwelt in the woods and on the plains well before Saint George and the dragon!
Mind you, we may be treading on royalist toes!

The royals are a bunch of inbred mutants, so who cares what royalists think?
Dragons were present here too. I forget the fellow who slew the last of them in the Slocan Valley. He was an old Sinixt medicine man. According to the chief, it was not that long ago.
The Great Spirit went by many names in America, almost as any as there were languages (2500 the last I heard). The Cree had a few different dialects so I'm not sure which handle he went by on Aether Island.
Wendigo ate human souls. Nasty piece of work he was, but he became more of a "scare the crap out of the kids" so they would behave type of boogie man. Today, I don't know how many subscribe to his belief. Kinda like Satan. He exists only in the minds of those who believe in him.
 
Spade
#6
Yes, there be dragons!
www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CAcQ9QEwAA (external - login to view)
 
Cliffy
#7
Dragons ceased to exist when people stopped believing in them. Things, gods, demons only exist in a belief system. Pan used to exist then faded from sight. Now he is coming back in some circles. That is why I say that Satan is alive and doing well in Christianity.
 
Spade
#8
Does Thor exist?
 
AnnaG
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Now, gentle posters, I've been giving this some thought. If we, as Canadians, are stuck with a sovereign from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (I know, they're calling themselves Windsors now), why not go all the way and not only have North-Germanic kings and queens but the Old Anglo-Saxon, Norse, Germanic Gods as well?
Tiw (external - login to view)
From time to time, when bored, I slip into the theological debates on this message board. May I quote from one where tempers continue to rage?!
Quote:
"Jesus was a prophet!"
"No, he wasn't"
"Yes, he was!"
"No, he wasn't!"
"Well, what was he then?"
"He was God!"
"No, he wasn't!"
"Yes, he was!"
"There is no God!"
"Yes, there is!"
No, there is not!"
"You're going to go to hell!"
"No, I'm not"
"Yes, you are"
"There is no hell"
"Is, too!"
"Isn't!"
And so on, and so forth.

Now wouldn't an argument about Tiw or Woden be a pleasant change?
Try it, it may be fun!

No, it wouldn't.
 
AnnaG
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

The royals are a bunch of inbred mutants, so who cares what royalists think?
Dragons were present here too. I forget the fellow who slew the last of them in the Slocan Valley. He was an old Sinixt medicine man. According to the chief, it was not that long ago.
The Great Spirit went by many names in America, almost as any as there were languages (2500 the last I heard). The Cree had a few different dialects so I'm not sure which handle he went by on Aether Island.
Wendigo ate human souls. Nasty piece of work he was, but he became more of a "scare the crap out of the kids" so they would behave type of boogie man. Today, I don't know how many subscribe to his belief. Kinda like Satan. He exists only in the minds of those who believe in him.

I prefer to think that they exist in everyone, just that instead of calling the malevolent part of me by "evil", I just say its the "Wendigo" in me, or the gardener in me by "Nookomis", etc.
 
Spade
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Who cares what royalists think?

it is clear that as a religious thinker, you are a republican. How dare you suggest that instead of worshipping foreign gods, we should be content with the indigenous kind. That, my friend, is tantamount to saying that we could sever our ties with the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and have our own, domestic head of state. I thought that suggestion was soundly ridiculed in the thread "Fire the Governor's Generals!" Deep thinkers said we owe our entire "democracy" to our betters with inherited titles.
 
Spade
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Does Thor exist?

Piffle!
 
Spade
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaGView Post

No, it wouldn't.

Whoops, sorry, Thor! I meant "piffle" to Anna!
 
AnnaG
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Whoops, sorry, Thor! I meant "piffle" to Anna!

No it isn't. It's twaddle.
 
Spade
#15
What are you calling "twaddle"? Besides, how is this "twaddle" as you so unkindly put it, any different from the "twaddle" on any other religious thread?
 
AnnaG
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

What are you calling "twaddle"? Besides, how is this "twaddle" as you so unkindly put it, any different from the "twaddle" on any other religious thread?

This *holds up hand with twaddle in it* is twaddle as opposed to piffle. It's a different color than piffle and it sounds differently. This twaddle is not different from other twaddle.
 
FiveParadox
#17
I think that there is merit in believing in whatever you’d like to believe in — as far as I am concerned, the power with each and every god or goddess (or God, or the Lord, or whatever or Whomever else) is within their metaphors and the teachings brought forward through Their stories. Does it matter if they’re “real”, if the end-result (i.e., the teaching of morals and the difference between good and evil, and et cetera) was a success? I myself have a rather complicated belief system (with a bit of lore from so many different sources), which is completely and entirely independent of my loyalty to Her Majesty The Queen of Canada, and Her Majesty’s heirs and successors.

My respect for the monarchy is not one of Christian faith, but one of a deep and profound respect for the constitutional relationship between The Sovereign and the Canadian people, and a sincere appreciation for the fantastic work done on a day-to-day basis by The Royal Family of Canada to better the world around them. It has nothing to do with inherited titles, and everything to do with the best possible system to provide peace, order and good government for Canadians.

Is it so difficult to believe that there are those who think that constitutional monarchy is the best system of representative-democratic government?
 
Cliffy
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaGView Post

This *holds up hand with twaddle in it* is twaddle as opposed to piffle. It's a different color than piffle and it sounds differently. This twaddle is not different from other twaddle.

I think I piddled! Fuddle duddle!
 
AnnaG
#19
Sheeeesh. Does politics have to sneak into every conversation, 5P?
I agree with most of your first paragraph. The rest I don't care about.
 
Johnnny
#20
in response to the title, instead of bringing back the old gods,lets create new ones.....
 
AnnaG
#21
Cool idea, John. I suggest Xodarap, the god of antipolitics.
 
Cliffy
#22
I don't know... I like Aphrodite, goddess of aphrodisiacs.
 
FiveParadox
#23
AnnaG, I was responding to the original poster.

Quote: Originally Posted by Spade

If we, as Canadians, are stuck with a sovereign from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (I know, they're calling themselves Windsors now) [...]

 
AnnaG
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I don't know... I like Aphrodite, goddess of aphrodisiacs.

That name's already taken.
 
AnnaG
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadoxView Post

AnnaG, I was responding to the original poster.

Ohhh. Sorry.
 
VanIsle
#26
Hi Spade,
Why did I know before looking who started this thread?
 
VanIsle
#27
We've just passed All Hallow's Eve so I guess we have the God of Hallow and next we have a more solemn occassion so we'll have to have the God of Remembrance.
Next?
 
Spade
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadoxView Post

AnnaG, I was responding to the original poster.

Even though the original post deals with extending the religious debate to include the old Gods (After all, it is Tiw'sday), I feel complelled to reply. May the Great Moderator and the Message Board Creator forgive me!

Today, I heard an argument on why our Governor General should be considered first and foremost as our head of state. Permit me to embellish it!

Our head of state (The GG) has real constitutional powers. These were exercised most recently when she agreed to prorogue Parliament last December; she could have denied that request and the Dion would be prime minister. Can you imagine the uproar across this peaceable "kingdom" if the Queen had been approached and she decided the fate of the minority government.

Yes, we were a colony. Yes, we respect that British heritage. However, like the femur of a whale, the monarchy for Canada is a vestigial appendage the evolution of this country no longer requires.

Treat the British royalty with respect and bonhomie, as we should any foreign guests.
 
Spade
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by VanIsleView Post

Hi Spade,
Why did I know before looking who started this thread?

Woden made me do it!
All the best!
 
taxslave
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I have always been of the mind that if you live on a land, you should know what the spirituality that was born out of that land (ie: the native spirituality of whatever tribe occupied the territory you are living in).

How would you apply that to areas like central europe where there must have been 20 different groups over run the area in the last couple of thousand years?
I know for a fact that there are little people on our place that take things to play with and then return them, although not always to the place they found them.
 

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