Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

petros

#31

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Try this....360,000 (circle broken into the 1000/ths) x 365.242 (length of the year) divided by 5280 (feet in a mile) and see how close it comes to circumference of the earth at the equator in miles. About 99.99% accurate or not?

Who figured that out and when?

Ahhhhhh they were off by a mile.....not bad for monolithic.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Try this....360,000 (circle broken into the 1000/ths) x 365.242 (length of the year) divided by 5280 (feet in a mile) and see how close it comes to circumference of the earth at the equator in miles. About 99.99% accurate or not?

Who figured that out and when?

Ahhhhhh they were off by a mile.....not bad for monolithic.

OOOOPS my bad. 99.994% off.

That would mean the circumfrence of the earth was known before the foot was invented.

The first known standard foot measure was from --, where a definition is given in a statue of -- of -- from around 2575 BC

That also means they had the equator peged dead center. Not bad for dumb assed cavemen..

Should I go on to the moon and sun or does that still kind of **** with your noggin?

gerryh

#32

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Like I said, I can find ancient geometry going back to 3000 BCE, Egyptian and Babylonian mathematics. That still only 5000 years ago, not 10,000.

petros

#33

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

Like I said, I can find ancient geometry going back to 3000 BCE, Egyptian and Babylonian mathematics. That still only 5000 years ago, not 10,000.

Try the math and see how precise those ancient jackasses were.

Who did the Egytptians learn it from? They were really damn good for being new.

gerryh

#34

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Try the math and see how precise those ancient jackasses were.

Who did the Egytptians learn it from? They were really damn good for being new.

It comes down to this petros. You made the 10,000 year ago claim. I can only find verification back 5,000 years. If you have verification beyond that, post the link.

petros

#35

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

I told ya. It's a secret but I gave you OODLES to start you off with and you still gotta ask me for more? Yup you found 5000 years but like i asked. Who did they learn it from? Who was the first to figure out 365.242 out of 360 degrees dead smack on the equator?

gerryh

#36

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Ezekiel

and I don't buy it.

Last edited by gerryh; Jul 25th, 2011 at 10:01 PM..

petros

#37

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Egyptians knew it long before he did.

Maybe somewhere on this planet the neolithics left a some rocks laying around and you'll find them someday and find how accurate their geometry is and how they knew what the Egyptians knew several thousands of years later. Egpytians knew pi and phi. They picked it up from where? Their Pharoah human gods?

Last edited by petros; Jul 25th, 2011 at 10:15 PM..

gerryh

#38

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Egyptians knew it long before he did.

Maybe somewhere on this planet the neolithics left a some rocks laying around and you'll find them someday and find how accurate their geometry is and how they knew what the Egyptians knew several thousands of years later. Egpytians knew pi and phi. They picked it up from where? Their Pharoah human gods?

Ok, guess I'm just too damn stupid to figure it out.

petros

#39

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

You're not stupid gerryh, hell no. It's a noggin scratcher to accept that geometry (earth measurment) is far far older than you thought.

Why did it take Phidias, Plato, Euclid, Pythagoras 2000 years to figure this **** out?

Who or what was holding out on them?

gerryh

#40

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

You're not stupid gerryh, hell no. It's a noggin scratcher to accept that geometry (earth measurment) is far far older than you thought.

Why did it take Phidias, Plato, Euclid, Pythagoras 2000 years to figure this **** out?

Who or what was holding out on them?

Ummmm...I already mentioned the Egyptians and Babylonians. That would be 3000 BCE. Great Pyramid was built around 2750 BCE. That is still 5000 years newer than your 10,000 year ago time line.

petros

#41

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Nature uses the identical geometry....

Bar Sinister

#42

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by talloola

atheism is not a religion, no churches, etc., just a non belief of what many believe.

i am an atheist, I don't pray to anything, don't have to prove anything, I just live my
life on this earth focusing on my own reality.

when religious people throw 'stuff' at me, trashing me for not believing what they believe, it doesn't have any affect at all, that is their world, it is all about them, not me.

be happy, whatever you decide.

Actually a better description of atheism is an absence of belief. Believers always try to define terms like atheism in their frame of reference as that gives them a chance to claim that atheism is simply another system of belief rather than being a philosophy based on an absence of belief.

So far as proof of the circumference of the earth is concerned, the oldest historical record only dates back about 2000 years to Erathosthenes who worked out a very accurate estimate the earth's diameter in 240 BCE.

petros

#43

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 25th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

Ummmm...I already mentioned the Egyptians and Babylonians. That would be 3000 BCE. Great Pyramid was built around 2750 BCE. That is still 5000 years newer than your 10,000 year ago time line.

Little by little gerryh.

First you tell me how the foot ended up being based on the circumfrence of the earth and the length of the year to the decimal and I'll point you to some rocks.

Last edited by petros; Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:00 AM..

gerryh

#44

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 26th, 2011

nope, not playing your game any more

petros

#45

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Jul 26th, 2011

What game? If it took the Greeks 2000 years to figure out what has already been perfected in Egypt. 2000 years prior and we still don't know how they pulled it off 4500 years after the Egyptians. What are the odds that 4500 years ago all this just landed in their laps?

It wasn't until GPS that we knew the circumference of the planet as precisely as those who figured, pi, phi astronomy and had one **** of a precise time measurment long before the Egyptians.

There are plenty of known civilizations prior to Sumer and Egypt.

You are aren't an atheist so you have a guide to go by.

We are told in the OT that there were great civilizations with incredible knowledge and some of those intelligent people survived even though God tried to get rid of them.

We know without any doubt that there was indeed a flood. It's been proven that there was indeed a mass extinction in the a blink of an eye ago in recent geological time. A rock from space slamming into the glacial ice cap will indeed make it rain like a son of bitch and create one **** of a flood and alter earth's climate.

If that piece of mans history has survived 13,000 years orally and biblically who is to say that geometry wasn't one of things they managed to salvage as well?

They obviously did what they could to keep that knowledge alive. Use your faith and your gnosis (opposite of agnostic) gerryh.

When you are ready to accept that the "foot" the "mile" and "hour" predate the Egyptians and Sumerians, I'll point you to some rocks in Europe, and South America that do indeed show that geometry was in use further back than 4500 years ago and was just as advanced.

L Gilbert

#46

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Fingertrouble

Just sitting here at work late at night, reading some Bill Maher material and it got me wondering.....if you were an agnostic or an athiest (or even if you were religious, but had to come to an unbiased opinion regarding religion) is there a religion in the world that is MORE believeable and if there is which one is it....and why???

So I got snooping and found this old thread.

First off, let's define "religion".
Oxford says, "[count noun] a particular system of faith and worship:
the world’s great religions
[count noun] a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion:
consumerism is the new religion"

In those contexts, I'd say, "no" and "maybe". In the first context, religions are based upon the suppositions that there are gods and goddesses. There is no evidence of these things so none are any more believable than others.
In the second context, one pursuit of interest may be just as believable as another. It depends upon what the interest is. For example, anthropology is no more or less believable than biology. On the other hand, astronomy is more believable than phrenology.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister

Actually a better description of atheism is an absence of belief.

Even more precisely, atheism means, "without belief in gods or goddesses".

Last edited by L Gilbert; Feb 18th, 2012 at 06:35 AM..

Nuggler

#47

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

How the hell do you get to read stuff at work?? We used to have to go to work and WORK!!! Horrible concept, yes indeed.

And, no one..................NO ONE..........except maybe your mother or maiden aunt gives a flying frig if you're an Agnostic, Athiest, or a Mongolian toe-picker.

Sorry, it's early, and the coffee isn't ready.

L Gilbert

#48

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Nuggler

How the hell do you get to read stuff at work?? We used to have to go to work and WORK!!! Horrible concept, yes indeed.

And, no one..................NO ONE..........except maybe your mother or maiden aunt gives a flying frig if you're an Agnostic, Athiest, or a Mongolian toe-picker.

Sorry, it's early, and the coffee isn't ready.

I'm not at work. lol I'm just up early.

Doesn't matter if no-one cares. The thread was here so I stuck a comment in it. Enjoy your cuppa joe.

Nuggler

#49

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Nature uses the identical geometry....

Reminiscent of the preparatory work in a lot of the paintings by Alex Colville -- always wondered where he got it.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

I'm not at work. lol I'm just up early.

Doesn't matter if no-one cares. The thread was here so I stuck a comment in it. Enjoy your cuppa joe.

hee hee hee;

My post was aimed at the OP, not you.............here, have a cuppa..........lol.

L Gilbert

#50

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Little by little gerryh.

First you tell me how the foot ended up being based on the circumfrence of the earth and the length of the year to the decimal and I'll point you to some rocks.

100 artabic feet are = to one second of degree.
Not sure about the decimal thing.

Ok, just looked it up: "Decimal time is the representation of the time of day using units which are decimally related. This term is often used to refer specifically to French Revolutionary Time, which divides the day into 10 decimal hours, each decimal hour into 100 decimal minutes and each decimal minute into 100 decimal seconds, as opposed to the more familiar standard time, which divides the day into 24 hours, each hour into 60 minutes and each minute into 60 seconds." - wiki

JLM

#51

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Little by little gerryh.

First you tell me how the foot ended up being based on the circumfrence of the earth and the length of the year to the decimal and I'll point you to some rocks.

I thought the length of the "foot" was the length of the King's foot. The metre is 1/10000000 (approx.) of the distance from the equator to the pole. Metric is more scientific, but the Imperial system is more sensible.

Spade

#52

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Sorry, can't be definitive, 10 000 BCE was a couple of years before I was born.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

I thought the length of the "foot" was the length of the King's foot. The metre is 1/10000000 (approx.) of the distance from the equator to the pole. Metric is more scientific, but the Imperial system is more sensible.

You've been having the odd pint a tad early in the day. The imperial system is a dog's dropping!

Cliffy

#53

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

I makes more sense to me that the original gods of the Hindus, Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, etc. were aliens Their descriptions were not of this world and there are tons of references to space craft and off world origins and habitats. The war god of the desert looks like an amalgam of all it's predecessors. Probably the early Hebrew concept was not nasty enough to keep the people in line so the priesthood invented a bunch of dire consequences to scare the Hebrews into towing the line. Then some wise guy radical rabbi came along and tried to straighten out the mess created by the clergy and started the rumour that maybe Big G was not that bad a guy after all but they tried to kill him so he went to India because they could accept his version easier.

Then some bozo whose job it was to wipe out this dudes followers came along and decided to take control of the religion and reintroduce the concept the perhaps god is still prone to jealous fits and will actually fry your ass for not bowing down and kissing his butt. Now we have a religion that is nothing like the one the rabbi tried to start but is about what the persecutor said about the rabbi and I think it should be called Paulianity for that reason. Paulianity is religion based on the deification of a rabbi who taught tolerance and brotherly love but has resulted in untold death and suffering of those who would not tow the party line.

Last edited by Cliffy; Feb 18th, 2012 at 08:00 AM..

Spade

#54

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

All gods are alien.

JLM

#55

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Spade

Sorry, can't be definitive, 10 000 BCE was a couple of years before I was born.

You've been having the odd pint a tad early in the day. The imperial system is a dog's dropping!

Just coffee, Spade.

Spade

#56

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Back to the topic. Perhaps Buddhism - a non theistic religion...

L Gilbert

#57

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

I thought the length of the "foot" was the length of the King's foot.

Different "foot". --

Quote:

The metre is 1/10000000 (approx.) of the distance from the equator to the pole. Metric is more scientific, but the Imperial system is more sensible.

These days a meter is defined as the distance travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458th of a second.

Quote: Originally Posted by Spade

Back to the topic. Perhaps Buddhism - a non theistic religion...

Reincarnation is believable?

SLM

#58

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Different "foot". --
These days a meter is defined as the distance travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458th of a second.

Yes, I'm glad you posted that. Saves me the trouble of having to do it.

Quote:

Reincarnation is believable?

Depending on your recreational hobbies, leprechauns can be believable.

L Gilbert

#59

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Ha! I'm Irish and I don't believe in them. I think they were concoctions of the imaginations of non-Irish people trying to romanticize a country that needed no romanticizing. lol

SLM

#60

Re: Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?

Feb 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Ha! I'm Irish and I don't believe in them. I think they were concoctions of the imaginations of non-Irish people trying to romanticize a country that needed no romanticizing. lol

Well then you don't have the right recreational hobbies I'd say. Run the idea passed Omicron, see how that goes, lol.

But Ireland does seem like a cool place I'd love to visit some day.

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