This proves the mountains are not from the earth

eanassir

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I said in a previous thread that most of the mountains are not from Earth in origin; and that most of the mountains came to our earth from the outer space as portions of some destroyed past planets.

In the National Geographic tv channel, I saw that some mountains in the Grand Canyon of America includes a lower layer very old, then a separating line came, then an upper layer of relatively newer layers; the difference between the two layers is a long period of time may be a million years of longer.

"When did all this happen?
The roots of the ancient mountain range that now lies at the bottom of the Grand Canyon were formed about 1.7 billion years ago.
There is then an unconformity of about 450 million year in which the rocks are missing.
At 1.25 billion years ago the first sedimentary layer, the Bass Formation, was laid down. Ancient coastal dwelling colonies of algae known as Stromatolites are preserved within this layer and indicate that the area was coastal at that time."
The Geology of the Grand Canyon

The explanation:
We said (according to the late interpreter
that the mountains fell down on Earth at its early formation, and they were the portions of some destroyed planets.
So now the mountain is old and the portion of the earh on which it fell is younger.
Then when the earth will be broken up in the future Doomsday, some of its portions will include that mountain, and when it will fall on the new planets, it will be like this:
The old mountain, then the past planet portion then the new planet.

I.e. This mountain of the Great Canyon was the portion of a past destroyed planets, and that portion included the moutain that came from an older planet: so this Great Canyon moutain included portions of two planets one older than the other; and this explains the missing period which they calculated and are puzzled how did it happen like this.

The old planet part
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The older planet part

The earth part

So this explains about the missing period (the line separating the old from the older planets) because they are older than each other by a considerable period of time.

It means this part of the Great Canyon include portions of two planets one of them is older than the other by a considerable period of time.
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In Between Man

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I said in a previous thread that most of the mountains are not from Earth in origin; and that most of the mountains came to our earth from the outer space as portions of some destroyed past planets.

That's not how it happened. God brought forth the land on earth by his word.

And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be collected into one place [of standing], and let the dry land appear. And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the accumulated waters He called seas. And God saw that this was good (fitting, admirable) and He approved it.
(Genesis 1:9-10 )
 

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Old earth creation allows the earth to be about 4B years old when the sun first shone on it. Mountains still were crusts that got pushed up and the temp they were at allowed folding and such that could only be done to a solid if it was red hot. Even after the moon was formed and all debris had fallen the crust was still very fluid and some of the banding in the rocks was from magma settling out int various layers that were minutely different in density. Once the 'snows of heaven' started drifting down the crust cooled very quickly locking those bands in place with a 'film of water over the whole world then the process of adding more layers could begin. Ater eons of that the crust whent through buckling and other stresses that moved the crust into new positions. Sorry no chapter and verse for all of that, just the basic steps.
 

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Old earth creation allows the earth to be about 4B years old when the sun first shone on it. Mountains still were crusts that got pushed up and the temp they were at allowed folding and such that could only be done to a solid if it was red hot. Even after the moon was formed and all debris had fallen the crust was still very fluid and some of the banding in the rocks was from magma settling out int various layers that were minutely different in density. Once the 'snows of heaven' started drifting down the crust cooled very quickly locking those bands in place with a 'film of water over the whole world then the process of adding more layers could begin. Ater eons of that the crust whent through buckling and other stresses that moved the crust into new positions. Sorry no chapter and verse for all of that, just the basic steps.

yes, someone making some sense, and a documentary I watched some time ago stated that the rocky mountains
separating b.c. and alta., were once right on the west coast, and gradually were pushed back till they
settled where they presently are.
 

eanassir

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That's not how it happened. God brought forth the land on earth by his word.

And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be collected into one place [of standing], and let the dry land appear. And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the accumulated waters He called seas. And God saw that this was good (fitting, admirable) and He approved it.
(Genesis 1:9-10 )


Don't let your mind be so rigid; don't be afraid of seeking after the truth; the fanatism indicates weak faith; it is the same maybe but with different expressions, and the Quran is more recent and more authentic.

and, this is a scientific finding, right?

If you were scientific, this would not be scientific. :D
 

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Don't let your mind be so rigid; don't be afraid of seeking after the truth; the fanatism indicates weak faith; it is the same maybe but with different expressions, and the Quran is more recent and more authentic.



If you were scientific, this would not be scientific. :D


oh my goodness - hmmmm, where did I just read that - lol

it seems that everyone is confused by everyone elses posts.
 

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God created an entire universe in a week. Sure he did, I would believe he created the
concept of government in a week, that is why it doesn't work most of the time.
The truth is we will likely never know how the mountains got here because there is no
news reports.
 

petros

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God created an entire universe in a week. Sure he did, I would believe he created the
concept of government in a week, that is why it doesn't work most of the time.
The truth is we will likely never know how the mountains got here because there is no
news reports.
Some Tom O'Graphy guy at the USGS has the continents mapped down to the mantle.
 

Cliffy

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Don't let your mind be so rigid; don't be afraid of seeking after the truth; the fanatism indicates weak faith; it is the same maybe but with different expressions, and the Quran is more recent and more authentic.
This coming from you is hysterically funny. My gawd, man, you are so rigid you probably squeak when you fart.
 

petros

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I've been deep inside the earth where the first two chunks of land made the first continent. Anything you want to know about it? Just ask.
 

eanassir

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Old earth creation allows the earth to be about 4B years old when the sun first shone on it. Mountains still were crusts that got pushed up and the temp they were at allowed folding and such that could only be done to a solid if it was red hot. Even after the moon was formed and all debris had fallen the crust was still very fluid and some of the banding in the rocks was from magma settling out int various layers that were minutely different in density. Once the 'snows of heaven' started drifting down the crust cooled very quickly locking those bands in place with a 'film of water over the whole world then the process of adding more layers could begin. Ater eons of that the crust whent through buckling and other stresses that moved the crust into new positions. Sorry no chapter and verse for all of that, just the basic steps.

Very nice indeed, MHz :D I have saved the quotation from your post.

But I may not agree about all of that:
"Mountains still were crusts that got pushed up"

Yes, certainly many of the mountains were formed in this way --> leading to the formation of the longitudinal mountainous ranges.
But most of mountains fell in this period: after passing of 2 days: 2000 years required for the earth to convert from a flaming mass to an earth with a cold crust and a hot core.
So following this 2000 years period the mountains started to fall down on Earth, while its crust was still somewhat hot and semi-solid

What do you mean by the 'snows of heaven' ?

Yesterday, I discussed this subject with one of my friends:
Concerning: when the mountains fell on Earth, and when the water was formed; because in the Quran: the water came out of the earth: it means the hydrogen and oxygen together with the other gases that emerged from Earth and formed that smoke of its early atmosphere, as is it satated in the Quran.
Formation of the earth

It is like this:
2000 years were required for converting the earth from a flaming or a very hot mass --> into an earth with a cold crust and a hot core.

4000 years were required after that to:
>> Mountains fell down on Earth ... from above it ... to settle heavily on it
>> Its crust increased in thickness (and water is brought here out of it)
>> and its sustenance and provisions for the creatures was determined in this period (which indicates the water has come already)
During this period, and the stratified gaseous heavens (7 layers were formed) by separating the gases of that smoke into seven distinct layers (almost it is the stratosphere) Such separation of the gases into layers required 2000 years during this period.

The total is 6000 years were required so that the creation of the earth and the planets and the moons: i.e. a complete solar system was created within 6000 years (or six days each day with God equals 1000 years.)

As in His saying –be exalted –in the Quran 79: 27-33
أَأَنتُمْ أَشَدُّ خَلْقًا أَمِ السَّمَاء بَنَاهَا . رَفَعَ سَمْكَهَا فَسَوَّاهَا . وَأَغْطَشَ لَيْلَهَا وَأَخْرَجَ ضُحَاهَا . وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ دَحَاهَا . أَخْرَجَ مِنْهَا مَاءهَا وَمَرْعَاهَا . وَالْجِبَالَ أَرْسَاهَا . مَتَاعًا لَّكُمْ وَلِأَنْعَامِكُمْ

The explanation:

(Are you [, associaters, that deny the sending to the afterlife] the harder to [re-]create,
or is the sky that He did construct?

He raised its high [layers* and lowered its low layers], and arranged it [in seven layers.]

And darkened its night [by the setting of the sun], and brought forth its day [by the sun light.]


And the earth, after that, He increased it[s crust thickness.**]

[And He] produced from it [: the earth] the water thereof and the pasture thereof.)



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[*i.e. He lifted up the light gases; because of their lightness.

** to become suitable to be inhabited.]

God created an entire universe in a week. Sure he did, I would believe he created the
concept of government in a week, that is why it doesn't work most of the time.
The truth is we will likely never know how the mountains got here because there is no
news reports.

grumpy, is still carrying his orange juice :D

Not the entire universe, only the earth and the planets and what moons are between them (the solar system) all that was created in six days; but all this was done since millions of years maybe.

It means: the period required for converting that sun from a very hot mass into an earth with a cold crust and a hot core, in addition to the falling on it of the portions of the destroyed past planets that became mountains on Earth and the planets, the increasing of its crust thickness, and the stratified seven layers of the atmosphere and the water formation --> all that required 6000 years, and this may have taken place since ? millions of years or more or less.

And damned the governments :D

I like that you, grumpy, look at this link which states there is a missing period that is unexplainable between the rocks up and the rock layer below in many of mountains here and there. As I said at the start of this thread.

The Geology of the Grand Canyon

Of course they give many explanations but they are puzzled and they admit it is unexplainable this missing period between the upper layers of rocks and the lower layers and just a line separates the two.
See it here at that link:

The Geology of the Grand Canyon
"When did all this happen?


  • The Earth was formed approximately 5 billion years ago.
  • The roots of the ancient mountain range that now lies at the bottom of the Grand Canyon were formed about 1.7 billion years ago.
There is then an unconformity of about 450 million year in which the rocks are missing.
  • At 1.25 billion years ago the first sedimentary layer, the Bass Formation.
  • , was laid down. Ancient coastal dwelling colonies of algae known as Stromatolites are preserved within this layer and indicate that the area was coastal at that time."
 

MHz

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yes, someone making some sense, and a documentary I watched some time ago stated that the rocky mountains
separating b.c. and alta., were once right on the west coast, and gradually were pushed back till they
settled where they presently are.

The version I saw had the Rockies start at about the AB/BC border and that same 'crack' is the rift that is just off the coast of BC. In about 200M years that is how far to the west it has moved, in that same time the whole Pacific all the way to Japan is how far the east side of the rift has moved. I assume that is just because the resistance to the east was much less.

What do you mean by the 'snows of heaven' ?
Our solar system is thought to have been created by a gathering of 'debris' that was once part of another solar system. If we start with the earth having rotation and the sun and moon existing then at that time the earth was more or less a molten ball of 'heavy material. that make up it current core and crusty materials. Being molten it was radiating heat but with no atmosphere the coldness of deep space would have been much closer to the crust that it is today. Should there be any gasses coming from inside the earth they would meet the -200 or whatever space is and turn to 'snow', even hydrogen and oxygen. Then gravity (perhaps earth had to be a certain mass before it's gravity could attract 'ice') would pull them down that would most likely get melted before it touched any molten part of the crust. It would land in some dark shadow before anyplace else. Once that happened a more rapid cooling could happen and if the earth met a vast swarm of very small comets then that would be how our water arrived.

Even without that and leaving your idea intact water would have started out as a gas and then condensed and fell on a 'hot earth'. The first place life could have existed is where humidity touched the ground and the temp was between 0 and 50 C. Where that moisture first touched is where life would have began and as that condensation ran into the lowest parts (also the hottest) puddles, ponds, lakes and seas would have formed. Plants (in some basic form) would have been alive at the pond stage, by the time large lakes existed trees and such things would have existed, at about this same time the lakes and ponds would have cooled down from boiling to something less than 50C. Say you had 2,000 feet from the surface of water to the top of the highest mountain. The water could be 100C and a thin atmosphere that went up 1,000 ft before water vapor condensed and another 500 ft before the temp was the same as space itself. That would seem to be a condition were the earth could cool much faster than it does today. All out water could have come in a blizzard that would have cooled the earth 1,000 times faster.

Any vid on the ancient past always shows an ocean with life but not one blade of grass on the land until life come out of the ocean. With no food, there would be no incentive to come out of the water. Basic plants thrived on CO2, a by product of volcanoes, in return they gave off oxygen. Rain and streams had water pick up some of that oxygen (and carbon etc) and that would have been the first food the waters had, once food it there something will 'come along' to consume it and so on and so on.

The Grand Canyon is a crack, the same forces as this vid covers is how it was made, the Snake River Canyon is made the same way.

 
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Dexter Sinister

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I said in a previous thread that most of the mountains are not from Earth in origin; and that most of the mountains came to our earth from the outer space as portions of some destroyed past planets.
Yes you did, and you're still wrong, as you are about most things scientific, for reasons that were explained to you at the time. Obviously you didn't understand that documentary you were watching, it certainly wouldn't have made a nonsensical claim like that. Look up this word: unconformity.