This proves the mountains are not from the earth

This proves the mountains are not from the earth

darkbeaver

#121

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 25th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

If your theory held any water, the Earth would look like the moon.

I never said the Creator was malevolent or that humans were bad. I believe in the possibility of a Creator but that it really doesn't give a shyte about our petty wants and needs or what we believe or do. Humans are completely insignificant to the Universe and they invented their gods because of their insecurity about their insignificance.

We are in the universe therefore we are significant. Nothing here goes unnoticed especially the chunks that think according to the universes compelling imperatives. In the old days it was not necessary to invent gods, they visited frequently spewing fire and brimstone in their wake. Of course since then many false gods have been invented for the purpose of cashing in during the temporary absence of the real gods. A healthy realization of ones personal fractional value does not produce insecurity, quite the opposite, it should reinforce the appreciation of the absolute power and majesty of the one whole over the fraction and thereby promote a greater sense of security knowing ones fate is not to be ever left to the warped and insane idiot priests/pastors/bigbangers but to the entire remaining whole/one. That will be two bits please.

Cliffy

#122

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 25th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

We are in the universe therefore we are significant. Nothing here goes unnoticed especially the chunks that think according to the universes compelling imperatives. In the old days it was not necessary to invent gods, they visited frequently spewing fire and brimstone in their wake. Of course since then many false gods have been invented for the purpose of cashing in during the temporary absence of the real gods. A healthy realization of ones personal fractional value does not produce insecurity, quite the opposite, it should reinforce the appreciation of the absolute power and majesty of the one whole over the fraction and thereby promote a greater sense of security knowing ones fate is not to be ever left to the warped and insane idiot priests/pastors/bigbangers but to the entire remaining whole/one. That will be two bits please.

Can't argue with that.

eanassir

#123

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

You're arguing against a claim I didn't make. Read it again. And see if you can find a first year university geology text book from western Europe or North America, it'll help you understand how wrong you are, and why, if you can get past rejecting it out of hand because it's not consistent with your 1400 year old Quran and al-Hilly's ludicrous interpretations of its scientific content.

We have told things other what you stick to, and which are included in the textbooks.
Even the textbooks give possibilities while you give certainties.
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petros

#124

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

So, was the Canadian Shield done in 'one pour' ? (1 million years+ time-frame would be more than acceptable)

No! Not at all. North America is 4 Billion years old and contains some of the oldest rock on the planet made up of 5 "provinces". The original craton (5 "provinces") makes up the bulk of Canada and USA with the sedimentary rocks of the Pacific sea flloor thrusting over creating the Western North American Cordillera (Rockies) in just the last 70 some odd million years which is merely a blink in time.

I've explained this to you before. Why didn't you pay attention the first time?

MHz

#125

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

I was paying attention, this part was exploring the rate or erosion on the rocks closest to the Bay. Ie what is left is not the original top of the shield (the flow from the 'event that created the Bay) has eroded away. Theory states that the Rockies lost 2 miles of their height since their creation about 200M years ago, how much did the 'redish area' lose in a time that is 20 times that, would that be 40 miles?

darkbeaver

#126

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

We have told things other what you stick to, and which are included in the textbooks.
Even the textbooks give possibilities while you give certainties.
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You begin to see the religious Sinister, a unit over his head in dogmatic pseudo science, a fanatical defender of falsified drivel who regularly steps on your tail with passion because of your belief in god, blissfully struck blind and deaf to his own faith based beliefs. He bloody well does speak with the certainty of the gods dosn't he.

eanassir

#127

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Always wear plastic shoes and use plastic and wood as isolaters from electricity

Dexter Sinister

#128

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

We have told things other what you stick to, and which are included in the textbooks.
Even the textbooks give possibilities while you give certainties.

I have said repeatedly that all scientific knowledge but the trivial is provisional to some degree, I do not claim certainty in any of it, merely the balance of probabilities and the weight of evidence. You're the one claiming certainty, on the basis of no evidence at all, merely on your religious convictions, a 1400 year old book written by people who had no knowledge of science or its methods, and an interpretation of it written by somebody with no such knowledge either. And the evidence is that you're wrong, all three of you, the Quran, and al-Hilly. So is darkbeaver, but I pay no attention to him anymore. Evidently he hasn't noticed and keeps trying to draw me out with insults, as you can see in the post above yours.

eanassir

#129

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

In case you are not certain, why do you insist we are wrong?
Today, I saw a nice comdey movie of Jacki Shane (Around the world in 80 days); he went to his family in China, near a strange looking mountain like a big rock, which can never be due to any erosion or geological factor; to me it is clear such a large piece had come from the space as part of a broken planet.

Chinese Mountains/Longhushan Mountain

And this is another mountain in China
Chinese Mountains/Wuyi Mountain

Last edited by eanassir; May 26th, 2011 at 04:02 PM..

lone wolf

#130

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

The mountain is of sandstone. It is wind-carved.

eanassir

#131

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Leave all what they told you; are these two mountains of sandstone and wind-carved or is it more logical they are pieces that fall down; if you imagine them two small rocks: as if someone had put them in place.

http://www.google.iq/imgres?imgurl=h...%3Disch&itbs=1

http://www.google.iq/imgres?imgurl=h...%3Disch&itbs=1

Last edited by eanassir; May 26th, 2011 at 04:30 PM..

Dexter Sinister

#132

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

In case you are not certain, why do you insist we are wrong?

That should be perfectly obvious: the evidence is not consistent with your claims.

Unforgiven

#133

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

I think you mean Jackie Chan. What about Erratics that were carried from one place and left in another by glacial movement?

eanassir

#134

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven

I think you mean Jackie Chan. What about Erratics that were carried from one place and left in another by glacial movement?

Obviously such big masses and their positions scattered here and there cannot be other than masses fallen from the outer space; but scientists were not aware of such a possibility, therefore they sought to find other explanations like glaciers ...etc.

One of my friends found few rocks isolatory in some plains, which are strange from the surrounding area, which are some meteorites.
We used to sleep in Summer time on the roofs of our houses: this is according to the climate here; and if one is alert, sometimes, he hears the fall of some minute pebbles or fragments when they touch a metallic or a hard surface in the quiet night.

lone wolf

#135

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

C'mon.... Level with us.... You're writing a magic book or sci-fic movie script and trying this stuff out on us aren't you?....

Durry

#136

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

to me it is clear such a large piece had come from the space as part of

How about the rocks Muslims use to stone women, do these rocks come from outer space? What does the q'ran say about this?

Hmmmm, btw, I thought you went back to your country to civilize your people, maybe I miss understood your post??

Unforgiven

#137

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

Obviously such big masses and their positions scattered here and there cannot be other than masses fallen from the outer space; but scientists were not aware of such a possibility, therefore they sought to find other explanations like glaciers ...etc.

One of my friends found few rocks isolatory in some plains, which are strange from the surrounding area, which are some meteorites.
We used to sleep in Summer time on the roofs of our houses: this is according to the climate here; and if one is alert, sometimes, he hears the fall of some minute pebbles or fragments when they touch a metallic or a hard surface in the quiet night.

Come on Erratics are proven to be what they are claimed to be. Scientist were and are well aware of the possibilities as that what science is. Something doesn't just fall from the sky without any traces of having done so. While it's possible that extremely large masses have fallen to Earth, it's rare and devastating when it does happen. I find these claims of your's spurious.

MHz

#138

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven

.... extremely large masses have fallen to Earth, it's rare and devastating when it does happen.

You can safely add that it has not happened in the RECENT past. In the very early formation the bodies could have been almost equal size. The point being the Quran (and the Bible) cover events that people should not have been aware of that far back if the current history of man is the topic.

petros

#139

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Without water impairing the view, Earth is one seriously abused piece of rock.

MHz

#140

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 26th, 2011

Cool, why are you showing 4B old rock along with the oceanic crust of today when it is less than 200M years old. Squeeze the raised land masses together into a slightly smaller form.

Long story short, when I was 16 I was working in a sign making shop and my task was to create a globe for a float, dia about 8ft. Anyway during lunch the rope gave way and the round globe hit the floor. No matter what when it was in the parade it was the most 'uneven world' that ever graced a parade, it even made National news LOL ( I was looking for a hole to climb into as far as the shape of the world was concerned) Today, some 40 years later, the shape is probably more realistic than it would appear to be at first glance

Dexter Sinister

#141

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 27th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

Obviously such big masses and their positions scattered here and there cannot be other than masses fallen from the outer space...

Why is that obvious, just because *you* can't understand any other explanation? That's called the fallacy of incredulity. There are glacial erratics, as they're called, all over the Canadian prairies, I've seen many of them. There are major uranium deposits in northern Saskatchewan, and there are many long chains of big uranium-rich boulders that stretch far south of them, I've mapped them and written software that calculates the most likely path back to the source of them as an aid to finding deposits. They were moved and dropped by glaciers. There is no other plausible explanation.

Last edited by Dexter Sinister; May 27th, 2011 at 01:43 AM..

eanassir

#142

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 27th, 2011

We said previously that there are many geological factors playing a role in forming the New Mountains. As in the aya of the Quran 35: 27
وَمِنَ الْجِبَالِ جُدَدٌ بِيضٌ وَحُمْرٌ مُّخْتَلِفٌ أَلْوَانُهَا وَغَرَابِيبُ سُودٌ

The explanation:
(Do you [Mohammed] not see how God sends down [rain] water from the sky, and We bring forth therewith produce of various colors –
and of mountains [also He brings forth therewith] newly-formed mountains: white and red, of various colors – and black brands of coal.)

Such factors as the erosion, denudation and precipitation,and the earthquakes and volcanoes, and the contraction of the surface of the earth ...etc.

While most of the mountains settled on the earth in the ancient time, coming from the broken up planets in the previous Doomsday (there had been seven Doomsdays, and the coming will be the eighth).

These meteoritic masses which later became the mountains, carried the seed of life to our Earth and to the rest of the planets, where God created many races of human beings, in addition to 2 pairs of animals and plants.

Therefore, I did not deny there are many geological factors worked and is still working to erode and form many geological structures including the mountains; but it is you that denied there could be another way of the mountain formation: the settling of the mountains from above the surface of the earth: such mountains which landed firmly; as in the aya 41: 10
وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ مِن فَوْقِهَا وَبَارَكَ فِيهَا وَقَدَّرَ فِيهَا أَقْوَاتَهَا فِي أَرْبَعَةِ أَيَّامٍ سَوَاء لِّلسَّائِلِينَ

The explanation:
(And He made [mountains] that landed upon it [from above the earth], blessed it, and apportioned therein its sustenance in four days; alike for those who ask [provision.] )

In addition, I appreciate your scientific work in the field of mining and geology and other science fields; but in spite you are misguided and preferred your denial of the Creator - glory be to Him; in stead of believing firmly after seeing all these marvels in the universe and nature.

Last edited by eanassir; May 27th, 2011 at 03:57 AM..

Unforgiven

#143

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

May 27th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

You can safely add that it has not happened in the RECENT past. In the very early formation the bodies could have been almost equal size. The point being the Quran (and the Bible) cover events that people should not have been aware of that far back if the current history of man is the topic.

How in the world do you get to the idea that people had no sense of history before the bible? Maybe I should just celebrate the idea that some are moving beyond the idea that people and dinosaurs were frolicking together and keep it positive.

darkbeaver

#144

Re: This proves the mountains are not from the earth

Jun 2nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

I have said repeatedly that all scientific knowledge but the trivial is provisional to some degree, I do not claim certainty in any of it, merely the balance of probabilities and the weight of evidence. You're the one claiming certainty, on the basis of no evidence at all, merely on your religious convictions, a 1400 year old book written by people who had no knowledge of science or its methods, and an interpretation of it written by somebody with no such knowledge either. And the evidence is that you're wrong, all three of you, the Quran, and al-Hilly. So is darkbeaver, but I pay no attention to him anymore. Evidently he hasn't noticed and keeps trying to draw me out with insults, as you can see in the post above yours.

Mr Sinister you obviously do pay attention else you would not have noticed my hahahahaha attempts to draw you out. We believe that you do not engage overtly any longer because you have been buried under a virtual mountain of first rate science and simply refuse to conform and be governed by real science preferring the cuddly embrace of your guardian black hole angels. Any who have a good summer and avoid the geomagnetic disturbances

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