Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,875 
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 1st, 2008, 09:50 AM
Between 1997 and 2005, only 2.27 percent of murders were commited with a registered gun.
Only 1.21 percent were commited with a gun registered to the accused murderer.
In 2006, 102 out of 108 handgun homicides were commited with unregistered guns.
Yet Liberals (and the BQ, and the Green Party and the NDP) insist, both provincially and federally, that bans on semi-autos and handguns are the answer. After wasting 2 billion bucks on registration.........they now want to waste hundreds of millions on gun grabs from legitimate owners.....
This is one BIG reason I will continue to support the CPC.
Do I have a choice?
BTW, this kinda puts the lie to idiot mayor David Miller's repeated claim that 50% of the handguns on TO's streets are stolen............the guy is a complete dick. Ditto McGuinty.
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breit...2008/feb26.htm
Between 1997 and 2005, only 2.27 percent of murders were commited with a registered gun.
Only 1.21 percent were commited with a gun registered to the accused murderer.
In 2006, 102 out of 108 handgun homicides were commited with unregistered guns.
Yet Liberals (and the BQ, and the Green Party and the NDP) insist, both provincially and federally, that bans on semi-autos and handguns are the answer. After wasting 2 billion bucks on registration.........they now want to waste hundreds of millions on gun grabs from legitimate owners.....
This is one BIG reason I will continue to support the CPC.
Do I have a choice?
BTW, this kinda puts the lie to idiot mayor David Miller's repeated claim that 50% of the handguns on TO's streets are stolen............the guy is a complete dick. Ditto McGuinty.
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breit...2008/feb26.htm
get dirty
Posts: 231
Location: vancouver island
Location: vancouver island
May 1st, 2008, 01:12 PM
This is how it works....scare tactics....it's like WCB when they said ETS is THE worst air quality in the workplace, yet they had never paid out 1 claim due to environmental tobacco smoke.....ALL gov't entities are screwed up, they divert attention away from the REAL problems...
You think the murderers will say wait, I can't kill with this gun, it's not registered? Not f'n likely!
This is how it works....scare tactics....it's like WCB when they said ETS is THE worst air quality in the workplace, yet they had never paid out 1 claim due to environmental tobacco smoke.....ALL gov't entities are screwed up, they divert attention away from the REAL problems...
You think the murderers will say wait, I can't kill with this gun, it's not registered? Not f'n likely!
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 4,471
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
May 1st, 2008, 01:16 PM
There is another big picture though, and that's the one where the Fheds want to know where all the guns are in order to be on top of any pending revolt which these idiots are bound to inspire. Now, THAT is where long rifles might be a source of worry. Maybe that's why fireworks are restricted - class 1 explosives can be used as detonators.
You? Not in this case....
Woof!
Quoting Colpy
I mean legislators who focus on crime and see the gun - all guns - as one and the same. Long rifles, traditionally, do not get used in stick-ups and drive-bys and handguns aren't worth a damn for shooting gophers.
So....
Do you mean the Liberals, NDP, BQ, GP?...........
or do you mean me?
or Both?
Do you mean the Liberals, NDP, BQ, GP?...........
or do you mean me?
or Both?
There is another big picture though, and that's the one where the Fheds want to know where all the guns are in order to be on top of any pending revolt which these idiots are bound to inspire. Now, THAT is where long rifles might be a source of worry. Maybe that's why fireworks are restricted - class 1 explosives can be used as detonators.
You? Not in this case....
Woof!
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,875
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 1st, 2008, 03:22 PM
Quoting Scott Free
And a politician problem.
Our gun laws are ridiculous!
Our politicians are just grand standing on peoples paranoia and we're all losing our rights in the process!
We don't have a gun problem in Canada; we have a gang problem.
Our politicians are just grand standing on peoples paranoia and we're all losing our rights in the process!
We don't have a gun problem in Canada; we have a gang problem.
May 1st, 2008, 04:08 PM
Quoting Colpy
wasting? Look at how low the murder rates drop when a gun is registered. That's proof it's working no? Aren't statistics fun?
Between 1997 and 2005, only 2.27 percent of murders were commited with a registered gun.
Only 1.21 percent were commited with a gun registered to the accused murderer.
.....
.... After wasting 2 billion bucks on registration.........they now want to waste hundreds of millions on gun grabs from legitimate owners.....
Only 1.21 percent were commited with a gun registered to the accused murderer.
.....
.... After wasting 2 billion bucks on registration.........they now want to waste hundreds of millions on gun grabs from legitimate owners.....
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,875
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 1st, 2008, 06:30 PM
Geez, Karrie, don't fool with stuff like that! You'll convince somebody!
Some people have all the intellect of Mr. Potato Head.
Quoting karrie
Very funny.....I hope.
wasting? Look at how low the murder rates drop when a gun is registered. That's proof it's working no? Aren't statistics fun?
Geez, Karrie, don't fool with stuff like that! You'll convince somebody!
Some people have all the intellect of Mr. Potato Head.
Genius
Posts: 957
Location: BC
Location: BC
May 1st, 2008, 08:14 PM
Quoting Colpy
What I can't figure out is why we keep electing them to government?
Some people have all the intellect of Mr. Potato Head.
May 1st, 2008, 08:21 PM
Because we (in the broader use of the term) want to elect people that we think are puppets to our wishes. That's the whole point of a 'representative', someone who will do as we've instructed them to. Incredibly bright people are hard to predict, hard to control, you can never be assured that they'll do your bidding.
Because we (in the broader use of the term) want to elect people that we think are puppets to our wishes. That's the whole point of a 'representative', someone who will do as we've instructed them to. Incredibly bright people are hard to predict, hard to control, you can never be assured that they'll do your bidding.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,875
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 1st, 2008, 09:03 PM
Two men: Chretien and Trudeau.
Both strongmen.
Chretien at one point was the most popular PM we ever had.
The memory of Trudeau......well, it is a cult of personality built around a dead man.
BTW....I despise them both. I consider these two as absolute proof that scum floats to the top.....
Quoting Scott Free
I disagree strongly. I think Canadians have a disturbing desire to be led...........
I think you nailed it Karrie. Its true nothing seems to piss Canadians off more than a strong leader.
Two men: Chretien and Trudeau.
Both strongmen.
Chretien at one point was the most popular PM we ever had.
The memory of Trudeau......well, it is a cult of personality built around a dead man.
BTW....I despise them both. I consider these two as absolute proof that scum floats to the top.....
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,875
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 2nd, 2008, 06:46 AM
The vast majority of murders are commited WITHOUT guns at all............with fists, baseball bats, and (the most popular weapon) knives.
The point here is that the vast majority of guns that are used have never been registered: 102 out of 108 handgun murders commited with guns that have NEVER been registered.
We have had handgun registration since 1934.
This type of gun control is a complete waste of time........$2 billion to set up a long gun registry was a scandal of fantastic proportion.......
All basically done to give the appearance of action.....to hell with individual rights, to hell with the public's money, to hell with the greater good......we need the votes of people in TO and Montreal.........
It is past time to completely throw out the Firearms Act, and start again.
Quoting eh1eh
No.
So 97.73% of murders were committed with illegal guns. So I guess that means guns are good?
The vast majority of murders are commited WITHOUT guns at all............with fists, baseball bats, and (the most popular weapon) knives.
The point here is that the vast majority of guns that are used have never been registered: 102 out of 108 handgun murders commited with guns that have NEVER been registered.
We have had handgun registration since 1934.
This type of gun control is a complete waste of time........$2 billion to set up a long gun registry was a scandal of fantastic proportion.......
All basically done to give the appearance of action.....to hell with individual rights, to hell with the public's money, to hell with the greater good......we need the votes of people in TO and Montreal.........
It is past time to completely throw out the Firearms Act, and start again.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
May 2nd, 2008, 07:42 AM
I think it's long past time people weren't mesmerized by the ridiculous. What I don't understand is why legitimate firearms owners haven't instituted campaigns to shine the light of truth on the issue. You can (if you're the government or "them") tell the people of Canada absolutely anything and they'll believe it! Why aren't the issues of job loss and substance abuse, intervention services to parents and people at risk in our communities (underfunded an in the majority of cases) being unavailable to individuals and families that need help?
Because "they" don't want you to even think about how royally screwed every Canadian is when it comes to the charade that is "government" in this country! We'll be whipped into a frenzy of yellow ribbons supporting an action in Afghanistan when the people who started that mess (Taliban and Americans) are hiding. Americans scoff at the military of other nations sent into Afghanistan suggesting Canada and most other nations don't know how to fight guerilla war.... While America is busy invading Iraq on the basis of a lie and the Taliban and a great many terrorists find safe haven in Pakistan...the "close" ally of America!
Prices of gasoline are driven up not by the largely falacious double-talk of "supply and demand", but by investors and speculators banking billions on a captive marketplace, manipulted to feed petroleum companies gargantuan profits! Manipulated as though no government of any kind actually existed in Canada or America! Governments "protect" the people and as some members here are familiar with...oaths are sworn to protect from all threats foreign and domestic... But when the threat is from "big business" and the Petro-Cartels ...well then all bets are off!
This government that's supposed to protect and serve the people have stolen millions directly from Canadians and mismanaged billions....why would anyone believe anything they have to say?
And yet Canadians clamour around the TV and sit in awe as these nabobs and charlatans conduct "government" behind closed doors specifically and purposefully preventing citizens from participation and barring the entry of any mechanism of oversight and transparency.
I won't "hold-hands" with a government that lies to me and takes the wealth of this country and puts it up for use by America in fighting a war that America claimed was necessary.... with a government that keeps the people safely deluded about what they're getting for that vote and that political contribution....(nothing) and constructs the forum of government that protects the liars and theives that eat at the trough of the Canadian taxpayer while telling these same Canadians lies about what issues and causes underlie the real roots of criminality and lawlessness in this nation.
You all just keep on voting and adding legitimacy to the myth of government...but don't be surprised when these same governments mishandle your money, kill innocents on reserves and in airports, make dirty deals with bagmen...cash in envelopes under tables...and generally screw you till your eyes bleed...
It's what you WANT!
I think it's long past time people weren't mesmerized by the ridiculous. What I don't understand is why legitimate firearms owners haven't instituted campaigns to shine the light of truth on the issue. You can (if you're the government or "them") tell the people of Canada absolutely anything and they'll believe it! Why aren't the issues of job loss and substance abuse, intervention services to parents and people at risk in our communities (underfunded an in the majority of cases) being unavailable to individuals and families that need help?
Because "they" don't want you to even think about how royally screwed every Canadian is when it comes to the charade that is "government" in this country! We'll be whipped into a frenzy of yellow ribbons supporting an action in Afghanistan when the people who started that mess (Taliban and Americans) are hiding. Americans scoff at the military of other nations sent into Afghanistan suggesting Canada and most other nations don't know how to fight guerilla war.... While America is busy invading Iraq on the basis of a lie and the Taliban and a great many terrorists find safe haven in Pakistan...the "close" ally of America!
Prices of gasoline are driven up not by the largely falacious double-talk of "supply and demand", but by investors and speculators banking billions on a captive marketplace, manipulted to feed petroleum companies gargantuan profits! Manipulated as though no government of any kind actually existed in Canada or America! Governments "protect" the people and as some members here are familiar with...oaths are sworn to protect from all threats foreign and domestic... But when the threat is from "big business" and the Petro-Cartels ...well then all bets are off!
This government that's supposed to protect and serve the people have stolen millions directly from Canadians and mismanaged billions....why would anyone believe anything they have to say?
And yet Canadians clamour around the TV and sit in awe as these nabobs and charlatans conduct "government" behind closed doors specifically and purposefully preventing citizens from participation and barring the entry of any mechanism of oversight and transparency.
I won't "hold-hands" with a government that lies to me and takes the wealth of this country and puts it up for use by America in fighting a war that America claimed was necessary.... with a government that keeps the people safely deluded about what they're getting for that vote and that political contribution....(nothing) and constructs the forum of government that protects the liars and theives that eat at the trough of the Canadian taxpayer while telling these same Canadians lies about what issues and causes underlie the real roots of criminality and lawlessness in this nation.
You all just keep on voting and adding legitimacy to the myth of government...but don't be surprised when these same governments mishandle your money, kill innocents on reserves and in airports, make dirty deals with bagmen...cash in envelopes under tables...and generally screw you till your eyes bleed...
It's what you WANT!
Super Genius
Posts: 1,295
Location: Canada
Location: Canada
May 2nd, 2008, 09:23 AM
Its not about saving people from people, its about dis-arming a nation, happened down in Australia after the Port Arthur "massacre" and it'll happen here too....just a few more school shootings, a massacre here, a gang shootout there, "innocent bystanders" killed....shock, horror, we have to do something....problem/reaction/and the solution being the banning of guns from good, honest law abiding citizens 'cause we all know that crims wont hand their guns in
The un platform is the total disarming of the planet.
Port Arthur..... a timeline,
http://www.netbay.com.au/~noelozzy/p...h/timeline.htm
and please note the "prophecy" made by unsworth below.....9 YEARS BEFORE Port Arthur "massacre" which is in Tasmania..............
1987 December In December 1987, after a specially called Premier�s meeting in Hobart, the New South Wales Labour Premier, Mr. Barry Unsworth stated, "There will never be uniform gun laws in Australia until there is a massacre in Tasmania." This quote is extremely prophetic, as it was only after the Tasmanian massacre in April, 1996 that the Federal government forced the States into adopting laws prepared by bureaucrats from within the Federal Attorney General�s office.
some more info re the Port Arthur "massacre".............
Was the massacre in Port Arthur a completely spontaneous act carried out by a single nutcase with unbelievable efficiency?
Or was it deliberately designed to distort public perception and direct maximum hatred against a particular group of people?
All of the available hard evidence suggests that it was.
Martin Bryant, now in gaol having been officially convicted of the shootings, could not under any circumstances have acted alone, and may possibly not have acted at all, other than in an orchestrated ‘patsy’ role.
Martin Bryant, an intellectually impaired registered invalid with no training in the use of high powered assault weapons, could not under any circumstances have achieved or maintained the incredibly high and consistent killed-to-injured ratio and kill-rate which were bench marks of the Port Arthur massacre. Whoever was on the trigger that fateful day demonstrated professional skills equal to some of the best special forces shooters in the world. His critical error lay in killing too many people too quickly while injuring far too few, thereby exposing himself for what he was: a highly trained combat shooter probably ranked among the top twenty such specialists in the western world.
There were no eyewitnesses who could positively identify Martin Bryant at Port Arthur because an Australian newspaper circulated his photograph nationwide, thereby totally corrupting any and all police line-ups, photo boards, or controlled shopping mall parades. All the eyewitnesses could legally claim seeing was a “tall man with long blonde hair”, which was no impediment to the media who tried and convicted Martin Bryant in less than two days, in one of the most blatant and disgusting displays of media abuse ever seen.
more........
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/palies1.htm
http://judicial-inc.biz/port_arthur_massacre.htm
http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/re...7?_IceUrl=true
http://www.anzwers.com.au/search?sea...massacre&cc=au
Its not about saving people from people, its about dis-arming a nation, happened down in Australia after the Port Arthur "massacre" and it'll happen here too....just a few more school shootings, a massacre here, a gang shootout there, "innocent bystanders" killed....shock, horror, we have to do something....problem/reaction/and the solution being the banning of guns from good, honest law abiding citizens 'cause we all know that crims wont hand their guns in
The un platform is the total disarming of the planet.
Port Arthur..... a timeline,
http://www.netbay.com.au/~noelozzy/p...h/timeline.htm
and please note the "prophecy" made by unsworth below.....9 YEARS BEFORE Port Arthur "massacre" which is in Tasmania..............
1987 December In December 1987, after a specially called Premier�s meeting in Hobart, the New South Wales Labour Premier, Mr. Barry Unsworth stated, "There will never be uniform gun laws in Australia until there is a massacre in Tasmania." This quote is extremely prophetic, as it was only after the Tasmanian massacre in April, 1996 that the Federal government forced the States into adopting laws prepared by bureaucrats from within the Federal Attorney General�s office.
some more info re the Port Arthur "massacre".............
Was the massacre in Port Arthur a completely spontaneous act carried out by a single nutcase with unbelievable efficiency?
Or was it deliberately designed to distort public perception and direct maximum hatred against a particular group of people?
All of the available hard evidence suggests that it was.
Martin Bryant, now in gaol having been officially convicted of the shootings, could not under any circumstances have acted alone, and may possibly not have acted at all, other than in an orchestrated ‘patsy’ role.
Martin Bryant, an intellectually impaired registered invalid with no training in the use of high powered assault weapons, could not under any circumstances have achieved or maintained the incredibly high and consistent killed-to-injured ratio and kill-rate which were bench marks of the Port Arthur massacre. Whoever was on the trigger that fateful day demonstrated professional skills equal to some of the best special forces shooters in the world. His critical error lay in killing too many people too quickly while injuring far too few, thereby exposing himself for what he was: a highly trained combat shooter probably ranked among the top twenty such specialists in the western world.
There were no eyewitnesses who could positively identify Martin Bryant at Port Arthur because an Australian newspaper circulated his photograph nationwide, thereby totally corrupting any and all police line-ups, photo boards, or controlled shopping mall parades. All the eyewitnesses could legally claim seeing was a “tall man with long blonde hair”, which was no impediment to the media who tried and convicted Martin Bryant in less than two days, in one of the most blatant and disgusting displays of media abuse ever seen.
more........
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/palies1.htm
5:30 Special Operations Group Arrives
The Tasmanian special police arrive. Police surrounded the guesthouse within an hour, and an 18-hour standoff ensued involving two shooters.
Martin Bryant came out of the building saying not to shoot that he was the hostage.A 1/2 hr. before the incident, the area's two policemen receive an anonymous call on a drugstash, and drive 25 miles to Saltwater River. Police initially reported that there were two gunmen at Seascape.The massacre and the shooter had a military appearance. The shooter did 20 head shots in a short time, shooting from the hip - he reloaded his second clip with one round left.
The gun was a rare Israeli commando model, CAR 15.
Witnesses couldn't identify the shooter.
Jim Laycock was co-owner of the Port Arthur Motel knew Bryant for 15 yrs, and said it wasn't him. The gun was destroyed in a Mossad technique.
http://judicial-inc.biz/port_arthur_massacre.htm
http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/re...7?_IceUrl=true
http://www.anzwers.com.au/search?sea...massacre&cc=au
