Why Obama is not a Christian

In Between Man
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I suspected that Barrack Obama claimed he was Christian and that he probably isn't. Here's the facts:

Notice how sneaky he really is. He claims Christ is the savior for him, not just mankind. I normally don't start a thread unless I feel its warranted but someone like YukonJack or Walter might find this informative.

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Kreskin
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More and more people could care less what religion he is or isn't. The whole religious movement is heading for irrelevancy, at least in Canada.

Young Canadians increasingly shunning religious institutions - The Globe and Mail
 
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So......that's the way it is eh ally...... how "unchristian" of both you and the imitation reverend. We were also taught, "Judge not, lest you be judged". Seems you and the bloated rev missed that lesson.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

More and more people could care less what religion he is or isn't. The whole religious movement is heading for irrelevancy, at least in Canada.

Young Canadians increasingly shunning religious institutions - The Globe and Mail

What your seeing is the great divide. Both Christianity and atheism are growing.

So, what's new Kreskin?
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Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

What your seeing is the great divide. Both Christianity and atheism are growing.

So, what's new Kreskin?

Not a whole lot.
 
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You've got to be joking.

His Excellency the Honorable Barack Obama, the President of the United States of America, is indeed a Christian--because he self-identifies as a Christian. There was no "subtle diabolical deceipt", as the video suggests; it would be political suicide for the head of State, of all Americans, to denounce the religions of millions of Americans, by stating that his is the only way to God. His Excellency chose words that would affirm his faith, without alienating others. The video referenced above is entirely garbage.

"Who are you going to believe: Jesus Christ, or Barack Obama?"

The narrator of this video is not Jesus Christ; he does not speak for Him.

I choose, therefore, Barack Obama; it is not for others to decide what faith a person has.

The Republican Party of the United States of America needs a new tactic.

Shouts of "he's not a Christian," just as "he wasn't born in America," simply don't hold any water.

The only 'subtle, diabolical deceit' here is on the part of Reverend Don Hamer.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

So......that's the way it is eh ally...... how "unchristian" of both you and the imitation reverend. We were also taught, "Judge not, lest you be judged". Seems you and the bloated rev missed that lesson.

*Scoff* Whatever!!!!

Jesus didn't mean NEVER JUDGE, he said DON'T JUDGE UNLESS YOUR READY TO BE JUDGED YOURSELF. And since the subject is whether or not a certain person is or is not a Christian, then I, as a person who is blood bought, spirit filled, and who has permitted the cross to become the very center of my being, have every right to judge who's in my family or not.

Do you honestly think that anyone who is in the body of Christ would want a false Christian leading in anyway shape or form? Anywhere from the community church all the way to the oval office? There's no fraud allowed! Your either a Christian or not and pretending to be a Christian is wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

Fact: Barrack Obama has DENIED SUFFICIENCY OF CHRIST'S SACRIFICE.

If a person believes that "works" or multiple paths lead to heaven, THEN THEY'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN!!!

In fact, if my memory recalls correctly don't YOU believe that "good works" are neccessary for salvation? Because if that's what you believe in your heart then I'm afraid that your not only being UNCHRISTIAN but that you're NOT A CHRISTIAN.

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Not a whole lot.

Is there any snow there?
 
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No, it's raining - damn horrible
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadoxView Post

You've got to be joking.

His Excellency the Honorable Barack Obama, the President of the United States of America, is indeed a Christian--because he self-identifies as a Christian. There was no "subtle diabolical deceipt", as the video suggests; it would be political suicide for the head of State, of all Americans, to denounce the religions of millions of Americans, by stating that his is the only way to God. His Excellency chose words that would affirm his faith, without alienating others. The video referenced above is entirely garbage.

"Who are you going to believe: Jesus Christ, or Barack Obama?"

The narrator of this video is not Jesus Christ; he does not speak for Him.

I choose, therefore, Barack Obama; it is not for others to decide what faith a person has.

The Republican Party of the United States of America needs a new tactic.

Shouts of "he's not a Christian," just as "he wasn't born in America," simply don't hold any water.

The only 'subtle, diabolical deceit' here is on the part of Reverend Don Hamer.

*Scoff* Whatever!

You're not a Christian and obviously have no clue what one is! You can't claim Christ has your savior but negate him as savior of the world. That's pure illogical relativism.

Why are you all the way in Surrey? Come to North Van and we can hammer this out over some of that hippie grass you Liberal folk are so fond of.
 
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Oh my ****ing God!
 
gerryh
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well alley...... let's put it a different way.... Barrack thinks alot like I do. In my not so humble opinion, people like you, and Herald, are going to get a big surprise come judgment day. You know, the day we ALL stand before Christ and are "judged" by the only one that CAN judge us. You can't, and neither can the fake rev.

In my opinion, those that shove how GREAT a Christian they are in everyones face, and judge others against the "I'm a Christian and if you don't do it my way then you aren't a Christian and you're goin ta hell", are the ones that need to worry the most when they stand before Christ. I foresee a lot of stuttering and "but's" being heard.

Ghandi was not a "Christian", by your standard and the fake rev's standard, he's goin to hell I guess eh.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

You're not a Christian and obviously have no clue what one is!

It's none of your business what I am (or am not), and you have no clue what I do or do not know.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadoxView Post

It's none of your business what I am (or am not), and you have no clue what I do or do not know.


It's a common problem with "born agains".
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz

You're not a Christian and obviously have no clue what one is!

I'm 3 kinds of Christian and one part Jew. 4 of a kind beats an ace high hands down.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

well alley...... let's put it a different way.... Barrack thinks alot like I do. In my not so humble opinion, people like you, and Herald, are going to get a big surprise come judgment day. You know, the day we ALL stand before Christ and are "judged" by the only one that CAN judge us. You can't, and neither can the fake rev.

In my opinion, those that shove how GREAT a Christian they are in everyones face, and judge others against the "I'm a Christian and if you don't do it my way then you aren't a Christian and you're goin ta hell", are the ones that need to worry the most when they stand before Christ. I foresee a lot of stuttering and "but's" being heard.

Ghandi was not a "Christian", by your standard and the fake rev's standard, he's goin to hell I guess eh.

We're all going to be ashamed on Judgment day. Because we're all falling short of God's plan for us. God planned something for each of our lives and when we see what we could have had it will certainly humble us. The only people who aren't going to be paralyzed with fear at the judgment seat are the people who already have glorified bodies and glorified minds because they made it to heaven. They've already seen God face to face and will have no reason to fear him but obviously they will still have reverence and awe for him.

Ghandi is in hell. It's true.
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gerryh
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you're missing it alley......too bad, so sad...for you.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

I'm 3 kinds of Christian and one part Jew. 4 of a kind beats an ace high hands down.

hahahahahahaha

I hear it all day at work dude. Your not be funny or adding anything to this thread. Your just wasting my precious time as I decide on what to say to yet another person that somehow thinks being disrespectful and mocking me is funny and cool. Childish!

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you're missing it alley......too bad, so sad...for you.

What am I missing? Enlighten me! You claimed to be catholic before, so if you know Christ so well, please tell me what I'm missing.
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gerryh
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but alley, being disrespectful and mocking is exactly what YOU have been doing this entire thread..... you have a wrap on that behaviour for some reason?
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadoxView Post

It's none of your business what I am (or am not), and you have no clue what I do or do not know.

That's what I'm saying dude! Come to North Van and debate me!

Actually I heard your a pretty good debater, so scratch that. But I can tell by what you affirm. Your no Christian.
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Kreskin
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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

Mohandas Gandhi
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post


What am I missing? Enlighten me! You claimed to be catholic before, so if you know Christ so well, please tell me what I'm missing.


Nope, not willing to waste my time on someone that isn't interested. Someone that speaks like they already know all the answers and is obviously closed minded towards any other way but their own.

Note the words in red.
 
Bar Sinister
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Obama is not a Christian? That would be nice if it were true, but I suspect he is just a superstitious as the average American.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

Mohandas Gandhi

Yup, the man lived his life exactly as Christ would have wanted. He is right where he should be, and it ain't "hell".
 
Bar Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

What your seeing is the great divide. Both Christianity and atheism are growing.

How does that work? How can superstition and rejection of religion both be growing? They are polar opposites.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

but alley, being disrespectful and mocking is exactly what YOU have been doing this entire thread..... you have a wrap on that behaviour for some reason?

WHO AM I MOCKING?!!!! I'm pointing out the fact that a leader of powerful nation is claiming to be something he's not! He's in the public spotlight and therefore fair game!

We're on a forum where people talk about this stuff for crying out loud!

You want to see mocking and disrespect? Step out into the real world buddy and tell people how much you love Christ, what he has done for you and what he can do for the them. HAVE FUN WATCHING THE POWERS OF DARKNESS AND HATE RISE UP IN THEIR SPIRITS, CONDEMN YOU, SPIT IN YOUR FACE AND CURSE THE VERY NAME OF THE GOD YOU LOVE! THEN YOU'LL KNOW WHAT REAL DISRESPECT AND MOCKING IS! ...BROTHER!!!!
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

WHO AM I MOCKING?!!!! I'm pointing out the fact that a leader of powerful nation is claiming to be something he's not! He's in the public spotlight and therefore fair game!

We're on a forum where people talk about this stuff for crying out loud!

You want to see mocking and disrespect? Step out into the real world buddy and tell people how much you love Christ, what he has done for you and what he can do for the them. HAVE FUN WATCHING THE POWERS OF DARKNESS AND HATE RISE UP IN THEIR SPIRITS, CONDEMN YOU, SPIT IN YOUR FACE AND CURSE THE VERY NAME OF THE GOD YOU LOVE! THEN YOU'LL KNOW WHAT REAL DISRESPECT AND MOCKING IS! ...BROTHER!!!!


Losing it I see. I'll step back and let you calm down. I'll come back and check in tomorrow since you seem to be having a problem keeping it together this evening.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

How does that work? How can superstition and rejection of religion both be growing? They are polar opposites.

The punks today are less agnostic. They're making up their mind early, thinking they have the all the answers all by themselves. They either have embraced the truth that is Jesus Christ or they've allowed themselves to become tools for the enemy. The battle today is for those precious young minds.

And your question should be "How can acceptance and rejection of religion both be growing?". Calling believers superstitous is disrespectful .

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Losing it I see. I'll step back and let you calm down. I'll come back and check in tomorrow since you seem to be having a problem keeping it together this evening.

I'm calm, I'm calm... I'm just passionate, that's all. Come back...
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

We're all going to ashamed on Judgment day.

In the extremely unlikely event that Judgment Day as you understand it ever happens, I am not going to be ashamed. I've done the best I could within my limits, tried to live a good life and be a good person, and if that counts for nothing I'm going to be angry and I'll make no attempt to be humble or contrite. It'll already be too late for me anyway, by your lights, nothing I could do at that point could make things any worse for me, might as well get it off my chest. What's he going to do, condemn me for eternity plus a week?

And as you know, I don't for a second believe that your religious beliefs have anything to do with reality anyway, and I don't think it matters a whit whether Barak Obama is or is not a Christian by the narrow definitions of Christian fundamentalism.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros
I'm 3 kinds of Christian and one part Jew. 4 of a kind beats an ace high hands down.
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hahahahahahaha

I hear it all day at work dude. Your not be funny or adding anything to this thread. Your just wasting my precious time as I decide on what to say to yet another person that somehow thinks being disrespectful and mocking me is funny and cool. Childish!

Why is it disrespectful and why do you think it is mocking you? Is your faith that weak?

Do you believe in Jesus or John Darby?
 
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lol... what a ludicrous discussion.

The man says he's Christian. Plenty of people say they are. Some say they aren't and yet do a better job of it than judgemental zealots. If you believe in the Bible at all, you know that it's to God to decide, and only God. Sitting here worrying about who is and isn't, and in what magical combinations, rather than focusing on oneself, isn't going to get you anywhere, least of all into heaven.
 

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