Quote: Originally Posted by Downhome_Woman
Maybe you should have just replied to my post? If you want to make a statement fine - go down and write a comment - but if you are replying to my post, then reply. and please - don't 'E.I. Nassir' your posts - there can be such a thing as an overload of quotes - Koranic or Biblical.
Feel free to comment on anything the verses actually say.
Maybe I did and you just don't like the answer. Another person who want to rip the Bible apart with the stipulation that any 'defense' cannot use quotes from the Book. lol Too much
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
That really summarizes it rather nicely. I have always felt that Christian God (and Muslim God) comes across as a tin pot dictator, like Pinochet or Mugabe, threatening to torture and kill you if you don’t obey him.
God is actually even worse than Pinochet or Mugabe. Pinochet or Mugabe would torture you until you die. With death, you escape their torture. But with God, you never die, you are tortured for eternity.
It's fine that you have that opinion but why do you need to increase the punishment for 'sinners' above what the Bible actually says? If you want to hate Him for His 'ways of doing things' you can do it for what the Bible actually says, rather than what you need
it to say to support your dislike of God (which will get you chastised but not thrown into hell). Hell is a small scale version of the Lake but anybody alive in hell for the 1,000 years is also alive in Heaven at Judgment Day. God even considers it as being sent to a place for what is a period of time that God calls 'one day', so far we have been waiting twice that long for a period of thime that will be half that . Having a 'parent' who sends a young child to his room for a day (as a punishment) is not as 'bad' as the one who makes it impossible not break the rules and once the punishment begins they throw away the key so the door can never be opened. God doesn't throw away the key, sooner or later you are going to have to accept that if that is what the Bible promotes.
On earth these days, who is 'tortured more' the ones who die as children (including some 26,000 that die daily from lack of food) or the ones that live to be 100 in a world that just doesn't work quite right, various pains in life caused by other people (and material items like hammer meeting thumb) and the bodies own natural failings.
Quote: Originally Posted by Downhome_Woman
Well that would be silly, wouldn't it? They world certainly didn't start with Judaism, but Judaism is the bedrock of Christianity and Islam. Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew. He didn't go out to start a new religion - he never 'preached' any new, revolutionary doctrine.His followers started Christianity.
Actually He did change the OT traditions, forgiveness of sin without any 'payment in blood' as in the woman who was not stoned for adultery. Threshing grain for food (rather than profit) and healing the injured on the Sabbath was also 'frowned upon' by the ones making policy, the Temple leaders. He changed who belonged to the term 'my people', Gentiles came under the Royal Law but none of the other ones are 'mandatory'. Remembrance of Jesus comes through reading the Bible, the last supper was the beginning of the change, the physical Temple became obsolete at the cross, that is more than a minor change and the Temple leaders rejected that change.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat,
or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
BTW, the only evidence that this Christ charact4er existed is hearsay, last I heard. Hubby and I dug fairly deeply into it for a while.
Let me guess, that didn't even require you getting off your chair. lol
How did that bone dig go in old Jerusalem looking for the bones of the 'unwithered hands' that Jesus healed? You might want to hire Hamas to tunnel in from below rather than try to get a permit from the Gov of blind Jews that actually do not want to hear about Jesus let alone give permission for an endeavor that would prove His existence.
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
"Years" can be a pretty nebulous quantity in the Bible. Methuselah lived to be 969 of those "years". It says somewhere probably in Genesis that "1000 years is to a day as a day is to 1000 years"- so the word has to be considered in the context it's used.
The 1,000 year is like a day id from Peter in the NT, it references the 1,000 years as Christ's rule as being 'one day' to God and the 'one day being a 1,000 years' is for Judgment Day which lasts 1,000 years our time rather than being just 24 hours long simple because everybody made alive on that day is individually 'chatted to' by God rather than it being a mass event that takes next to no time from start to finish.
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