Christian Inclusiveness

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"Jesus was both scandalously inclusive and curiously exclusive. He included in his fellowship those who were often excluded from religious fellowship (tax collectors, “sinners,” lepers, women, children). Yet he excluded notable religious leaders and others who were unable to receive the kingdom of God with the humility and openness of a child.

However while Jesus extended the grace of the kingdom to many who were wounded or sinful, he didn’t include them in their brokenness, but rather restored them to wholeness as they entered his community.

Is it true that Jesus was inclusive? If so, in what sense was Jesus inclusive? Were there limits to Jesus’ inclusiveness?"
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Motar said:
Is it true that Jesus was inclusive? If so, in what sense was Jesus inclusive? Were there limits to Jesus’ inclusiveness?
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“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven." (Matthew 10:32-33 NIV)

The "whoever" statements in the gospels reveal the extent of Jesus' inclusiveness.

"Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it." (Matthew 10:38-39 NIV)

"Whoever" implies an open invitation to all.

"Whoever has ears, let them hear." (Matthew 11:15 NIV)

"Whoever" includes everyone with ears.
 
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there are the whoevers or there are the whoever-elses

I guess you can't be both
 
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gopher said:
Everybody knows Jesus is the world's # 1 Jewish liberal: But even he had his prejudices and excluded these characters:
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How dare Jesus exclude anyone? That seems so intolerant.
 
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Motar said:
How dare Jesus exclude anyone? That seems so intolerant.
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If he were a god, he wouldn't exclude anyone!

Sister, sister! Mum loved us both unconditionally. She would not have harmed either of us; it was not in her nature. So a mother; even more so a god.
 
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If he were a god, he wouldn't exclude anyone!

Sister, sister! Mum loved us both unconditionally. She would not have harmed either of us; it was not in her nature. So a mother; even more so a god.
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Dear Brother Spade. You seem to equate exclusion with harm. Please explain.
 
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Motar said:
Dear Brother Spade. You seem to equate exclusion with harm. Please explain.
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http://www.sozialpsychologie.uni-frankfurt.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/MacDonald-Leary-20051.pdf

An aside, Sister.

In Steinbeck's novel, East of Eden, two brothers vie for their father's love. The boys, abandoned in infancy by their mother, are raised with the help of a Cantonese cook. As the boys grow, the cook, observes that one child is favoured by the father over the other. The cook draws parallels with Cain and Abel in the Genesis myth. The cook concludes that as in human families, the god of the Bible had favourites. And, of course, our myths, such as Genesis, teach us about ourselves not our gods.

The perfect mother/father has no favourites. Our theologies are flawed.
 
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O Motar. Listen, my sister, to the gods crying "No!" The Apocalyse of St. John is not about the future; it is a coded description of the Roman past.
 
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Motar said:
I agree, Spade. We are wired for healthy social interaction. That being said, I submit that some social interaction is unhealthy. In such cases, timely and temporary exclusion is the healthy choice for everyone involved.



Revelation 7 - 144,000 sealed are Israel, DB.
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144,000/666 gives a repeating decimal. 216.216216216------------------------------this is lunar orbital stuff

Number 144 versus 666 | hydrogen2oxygen
Number 144 versus 666 | hydrogen2oxygen
May 1, 2013 - Curiosities Imperfect for all eternity: 144000 / 216 = 666,666666666666... 144000 / 666 = 216,216216216216... Still missing a thousandth:

Numerology: Or, What Pythagoras Wrought
books.google.ca/books?isbn=0883855240
Underwood Dudley - 1997 - ‎Mathematics
Notice that 144000/666 = 216.216216216. .. and 216 = 6•6•6. (p(666) = 216 = 6•6•6. (<p(/i) is Euler's <p-function of n: the number of positive integers less than ..
 
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Spade said:
http://www.sozialpsychologie.uni-frankfurt.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/MacDonald-Leary-20051.pdfAn aside, Sister. In Steinbeck's novel, East of Eden, two brothers vie for their father's love. The boys, abandoned in infancy by their mother, are raised with the help of a Cantonese cook. As the boys grow, the cook, observes that one child is favoured by the father over the other. The cook draws parallels with Cain and Abel in the Genesis myth. The cook concludes that as in human families, the god of the Bible had favourites. And, of course, our myths, such as Genesis, teach us about ourselves not our gods. The perfect mother/father has no favourites. Our theologies are flawed.
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Dear Brother, in Genesis, we learn about the rivalry between Ishmael and Isaac that rages in the Middle East today. Abraham's direct and Sarah's indirect favoritism still inflames this sibling rivalry in our contemporary world. Not surprising then is Isaac's perpetuation of this fallen human trait as he and Rebecca each favor Esau and Jacob, respectively. Jacob continues this bent human tendency in favoring one child (Joseph) over all the others. In the written record of this one family, we discover the spiritual and physical carnage that this decidedly human behavior (favoritism) produces.

Here is a partial list of NIV Bible references clearly denouncing favoritism: Acts 10:34, Galatians 2:6, Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 3:25, 1Timothy 5:21, James 2:1 and James 2:9. "For God does not show favoritism." (Romans 2:11 NIV)
 
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Spade said:
http://www.sozialpsychologie.uni-frankfurt.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/MacDonald-Leary-20051.pdf

An aside, Sister.

In Steinbeck's novel, East of Eden, two brothers vie for their father's love. The boys, abandoned in infancy by their mother, are raised with the help of a Cantonese cook. As the boys grow, the cook, observes that one child is favoured by the father over the other. The cook draws parallels with Cain and Abel in the Genesis myth. The cook concludes that as in human families, the god of the Bible had favourites. And, of course, our myths, such as Genesis, teach us about ourselves not our gods.

The perfect mother/father has no favourites. Our theologies are flawed.
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Theology was clean in the old days, gimmee that old tim,e religion.

You are avoiding the numbers Motar.

Motar said:
I agree, Spade. We are wired for healthy social interaction. That being said, I submit that some social interaction is unhealthy. In such cases, timely and temporary exclusion is the healthy choice for everyone involved.



Revelation 7 - 144,000 sealed are Israel, DB.
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tThese are the endarkened not the enlightened. Simple counterweight to light, this provides for balance and harmony. We empower them.
 
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Spade said:
O Motar. Listen, my sister, to the gods crying "No!" The Apocalyse of St. John is not about the future; it is a coded description of the Roman past.
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Dear Brother Spade, please note John's instructions: "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later." (Revelation 1:9 NIV) I am currently studying the Apokalupsis (uncovering/unveiling/revelation). I am encountering both the layers of truth and the microscopic (present)/telescopic (past/future) views in Revelation which are present throughout all of Scripture.

darkbeaver said:
You are avoiding the numbers Motar.
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Revelation 7, DB. The numbers are recorded for us - 144,000/12 tribes=12,000 sealed from each tribe of Israel
 
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Motar said:
Dear Brother Spade, please note John's instructions: "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later." (Revelation 1:9 NIV) I am currently studying the Apokalupsis (uncovering/unveiling/revelation). I am encountering both the layers of truth and the microscopic (present)/telescopic (past/future) views in Revelation which are present throughout all of Scripture.



Revelation 7, DB. The numbers are recorded for us - 144,000/12 tribes=12,000 sealed from each tribe of Israel
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Israel is the grade of the enlightened. In our age that grade has been misappropriated. If youd steal a grade your steal anything. 12x12=144 yer confused by numerology. I don't think you know the subject very well. Yer discovering natural philosophy the mater of science,
 
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