What did you think of the government's apology to aboriginal Canadians?
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Jun 11th, 2008
I thought it a bit late, but better than never I suppose.
#3
Re: What did you think of the government's apology to aboriginal Canadians?
Jun 11th, 2008
It was a sincere apology for a dark part of Canadian history.
#4
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Jun 11th, 2008
I became very emotional, as I listened, which surprised me, so I realize now, that I
was ashamed and embarrassed of what our white brothers and sisters did to those
'real canadians', and although nothing can ever repair the damage, an apology is important,
to say out loud how horrible those acts were, and we are all truly sorry.
was ashamed and embarrassed of what our white brothers and sisters did to those
'real canadians', and although nothing can ever repair the damage, an apology is important,
to say out loud how horrible those acts were, and we are all truly sorry.
#5
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Jun 12th, 2008
I'm with you Talloola. I felt shame as I listened to Harper's speech. He nearly lost his composure a number of times. I offer my deepest apologies to our aboriginal people for the terrible deeds that were placed upon you by such inconsiderate and cold hearted criminals. If any of them are alive they should be tried for crimes against humanity.
#6
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Jun 12th, 2008
What did I think? I was deeply ashamed of our government yesterday for offering such a silly apology. I detest this trend of PC people to apologize for "crimes" we did not do. What was past is past, let it go. I do not see the error in trying to bring the Gospel and civilization to a backwards people. Yes, some abuse happened, but all in all the role of the Church was pure and its intentions good.
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by talloola
I was amazed how recently this was actually going on. A real embrassment!I became very emotional, as I listened, which surprised me, so I realize now, that I
was ashamed and embarrassed of what our white brothers and sisters did to those
'real canadians', and although nothing can ever repair the damage, an apology is important,
to say out loud how horrible those acts were, and we are all truly sorry.
#8
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Jun 12th, 2008
It's never silly to apologize for something horrendous Sanctus.
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus
Good intentions don't make up for this sanctus. An apology was absolutely in order given the horrors that were visited upon some people, and the repercussions some families still feel from it. There is only so much that we can do to repair this since we didn't do it, and an apology is a much deserved acknowledgment. I can guarantee that the attitude of 'we meant good for you backwards people' will just continue to drive a wedge. I know there's no darn way would I be taking my kids to church if I was given the impression by a single priest or nun in our parish that abuse was okay so long as there was a good intention behind it. "Sure, I slapped your daughter, but, it will teach her to be more humble."Yes, some abuse happened...
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Jun 12th, 2008
The Natives were forced to place their kids in these schools and the school was told to try to remove the indian from them...now they still suffer for what they went through...do I think it was neccesary to appologize even though I didn't do it...YES I DO....
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by dirtylinder
They weren't even forced to place their children in those schools, they were taken from them. I'd call it State sanctioned kidnapping at best, and State run genocide at worst.The Natives were forced to place their kids in these schools and the school was told to try to remove the indian from them...now they still suffer for what they went through...do I think it was neccesary to appologize even though I didn't do it...YES I DO....
#12
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Jun 12th, 2008
I think a more fitting term T would be state and church funded eugenics. The attempt to control and alter a population or race.
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Jun 12th, 2008
The apology was fine as far as it went but neither we, nor the First Nations have learned a thing. Davis Inlet is just one of a hundred prime examples. We built the original village at Davis Inlet and when that village was worn out we built another at Natuashish with all new infrastructure, water and sewer and electrical services. After five or six years the new village is in just about as bad shape as the old one. The children are still sniffing gasoline and their parents are still playing bingo. This is not surprising since there are no jobs to be had within a hundred miles. The children must look at their parents and cannot help being depressed with that future to look forward to. The old way of living off the land no longer works.......Welcome to the twenty first century.
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus
What did I think? I was deeply ashamed of our government yesterday for offering such a silly apology. I detest this trend of PC people to apologize for "crimes" we did not do. What was past is past, let it go. I do not see the error in trying to bring the Gospel and civilization to a backwards people. Yes, some abuse happened, but all in all the role of the Church was pure and its intentions good.
How very sanctimonious of you.
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
I think the apology was a good step toward being able to focus honestly on exactly that sort of issue juan.The apology was fine as far as it went but neither we, nor the First Nations have learned a thing. Davis Inlet is just one of a hundred prime examples. We built the original village at Davis Inlet and when that village was worn out we built another at Natuashish with all new infrastructure, water and sewer and electrical services. After five or six years the new village is in just about as bad shape as the old one. The children are still sniffing gasoline and their parents are still playing bingo. This is not surprising since there are no jobs to be had within a hundred miles. The children must look at their parents and cannot help being depressed with that future to look forward to. The old way of living off the land no longer works.......Welcome to the twenty first century.
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
I don't know what the best remedy would be but the children should be educated to where they can properly join society. Maybe we could build some schools were the children could live...............Oops............ bin there....done that....I think the apology was a good step toward being able to focus honestly on exactly that sort of issue juan.
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Jun 12th, 2008
Don't laugh juan. Boarding school in and of itself isn't a bad idea. I think there are some native families that would choose that route given... *gasp*... CHOICE.
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus
With all due respect sir, that's exactly the kind of thinking that got us in this mess in the first place. Yes lets leave the past behind, especially baggage carried over from medieval times.What did I think? I was deeply ashamed of our government yesterday for offering such a silly apology. I detest this trend of PC people to apologize for "crimes" we did not do. What was past is past, let it go. I do not see the error in trying to bring the Gospel and civilization to a backwards people. Yes, some abuse happened, but all in all the role of the Church was pure and its intentions good.
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
I know Karrie but the first three people to suggest doing it again might get shot. The original residential schools were a good idea that went terribly wrong. Don't laugh juan. Boarding school in and of itself isn't a bad idea. I think there are some native families that would choose that route given... *gasp*... CHOICE.
I think the biggest problem is, and will be, convincing natives that the old ways don't work any more. But look at any native Canadian's pantry and you will find it full of canned goods, and flour and sugar.........Not dried berries and pemmican.
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Jun 12th, 2008
Just let me clarify... I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT!!!
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Native families seem to recognize that living exclusively by the old ways (and I say exclusively, because I know a lot of natives who do hunt and gather and practice many of their old traditions) doesn't work in most of Canada. I'm seeing more and more families who are choosing to move off the reservations and live within the communities surrounding them instead. Again, given the choice, that might be the right decision. I guess time will tell.
*ducks behind the couch to continue typing out of sight*
Native families seem to recognize that living exclusively by the old ways (and I say exclusively, because I know a lot of natives who do hunt and gather and practice many of their old traditions) doesn't work in most of Canada. I'm seeing more and more families who are choosing to move off the reservations and live within the communities surrounding them instead. Again, given the choice, that might be the right decision. I guess time will tell.
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Jun 12th, 2008
It's long overdue. Though rehearsed, it seemed candid and sincere. Now ... when do the Churches own up for the abuse?
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
At some point, not too far down the road, the government will have to make a decision on how long we continue to financially support native Canadians. Their numbers are growing rapidly and it would be best if we don't leave it too long.Just let me clarify... I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT!!!
*ducks behind the couch to continue typing out of sight*
Native families seem to recognize that living exclusively by the old ways (and I say exclusively, because I know a lot of natives who do hunt and gather and practice many of their old traditions) doesn't work in most of Canada. I'm seeing more and more families who are choosing to move off the reservations and live within the communities surrounding them instead. Again, given the choice, that might be the right decision. I guess time will tell.
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
They've all paid out now in the reparation payments. And if people keep pushing the way they do in the churches, there will be apologies. The problem is the stubborn heads of the church don't always agree with their parishes. So you may have whole congregations of Christians wanting to issue an apology, while the priests and ministers drag their heels and mumble about how the abuse and pedophilia was unfortunate but excusably not the fault of the institution at large. It's long overdue. Though rehearsed, it seemed candid and sincere. Now ... when do the Churches own up for the abuse?
Admitting fault doesn't come easily to a group who think they've been granted all their power by God Himself. To stand up and state that they overlooked the extremely vulnerable nature of those children, and didn't do a good enough job protecting them from the possibility of harm, seems to be beyond the men and women who claim to live their lives following the path of a man who taught humility.
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
Was it that ... or was it because their image of God was a white man?They've all paid out now in the reparation payments. And if people keep pushing the way they do in the churches, there will be apologies. The problem is the stubborn heads of the church don't always agree with their parishes. So you may have whole congregations of Christians wanting to issue an apology, while the priests and ministers drag their heels and mumble about how the abuse and pedophilia was unfortunate but excusably not the fault of the institution at large.
Admitting fault doesn't come easily to a group who think they've been granted all their power by God Himself. To stand up and state that they overlooked the extremely vulnerable nature of those children, and didn't do a good enough job protecting them from the possibility of harm, seems to be beyond the men and women who claim to live their lives following the path of a man who taught humility.
Woof!
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Jun 12th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
Oh, I was discussing the chance of a forthcoming apology, not what prompted them to take on the residential schools in the first place.Was it that ... or was it because their image of God was a white man?
Woof!
I'll gladly delve into that.
Ethnocentricity... from all points of view. The government, the churches, and the people, all pitied and felt they needed to 'fix' the natives, because yes, we do view the world according to our own skin color. How many native spiritual drawings have black people in them? Their spirits, if they weren't animal, were depicted as native. Every ethnicity is guilty of it. Just not all end up in a position that the white man was in, to try to make their view everyone else's reality to.
Now, to my understanding, the government set out a program, and hired out those schools to the churches. I'm awfully young and haven't done as much reading as I probably should have on the issue. And while I feel the churches should be apologizing for not giving those kids enough protections, the schools were a government program, and the churches were hired lackies. I don't know that you can blame the residential schools on what or who the churches view God as. Perhaps you can... perhaps not... I don't really know what the jumping off point was for the whole debacle wolf.
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