Hamas closes in on full control of Gaza
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If Hamas wins, Gaza which is a poverty stricken small strip of territory about the size of the GTA will go from 40% under the poverty line at this point in time to nearly 60% to 100% under the poverty line after several years in no time flat. Unemployment will rise considerably as Fatah members still left in Gaza would not get any work their families and themselves harrassed and possibly killed. Women will be covered fully in Islamic veil, which goes against Palestinian ideology as about 75% of Palestinians in general are moderates who like wearing Western clothing. All Western aid to Palestinian government sources and international charities in Gaza will end, and thusly food aid to 33% of Palestinians in Gaza that need food aid at this point in time to survive. And finally the rewriting of history books and education that will bred a new round of hatred against Israel and anything Western and many more terrorists and sucicide bombers.
^--- thats crazy i heard Hamas is funded by Iran, didnt iran fund the Sudanesse Government in there jihad in Darfur? Is Iran playing devils advocate or something?
Although I agree with all the above, I think it will be temporary. The nuts in Hamas will not be able to resist attacking Israel, and the Israelis will be forced to re-occupy the area. So much for unilateral withdrawal.
I am so angry that sometimes I don't even see straight with this issue as I have always supported the Palestinians and Fatah and now Hamas, that only got into the fray in 1994 with its preaching of Islam, instead of nationalistic tendencies has taken the Gaza strip from Fatah and more importantly from the rule of law in the Palestinian territories that sometimes with my military background I feel I should just head over there and join the fight with Fatah against these 'scum'. I will have to wait and see.
Tonight, with the capture of the Presidential Palace in Gaza (Abass is in the West Bank) Hamas gunmen have seized full control of Gaza.
Israel will have no choice but to re-occupy the area.
Are Hamas members so stupid that they can't see how they are used as pawns by Syria and Iran? Now they will be even more of a thorn in Israel's side............at the cost of many, many Palestinian lives, most of them innocents.
The Palestinian peoples' worst enemies are not their enemies, but their "friends". Both the loonies of Iran and the fascists of Syria (REAL fascists, BW, you should move there and learn the difference) are responsible for this chaos, and the inevitable bloodbath to come.
Where are those posters that so love Hezbollah and Hamas?
Israel will have no choice but to re-occupy the area.
Are Hamas members so stupid that they can't see how they are used as pawns by Syria and Iran? Now they will be even more of a thorn in Israel's side............at the cost of many, many Palestinian lives, most of them innocents.
The Palestinian peoples' worst enemies are not their enemies, but their "friends". Both the loonies of Iran and the fascists of Syria (REAL fascists, BW, you should move there and learn the difference) are responsible for this chaos, and the inevitable bloodbath to come.
Where are those posters that so love Hezbollah and Hamas?
I'm sure most Palestinains noticed that Israeli pilots use American bombs and bullets to kill them.
Hamas unilaterally maintained a ceasefire with Israel for over a year, while Israel abducted and assassinated their leaders.
The reason why Hamas won the election is because most money Hamas gets they spend on Palestinians rather than on themselves like Israel's pet Fatah.
That's not to say they are nice guys. But they are a byproduct of the injustice and oppression suffered by nationless Palestinian refugees. Given the treatment they've gotten from Israel and the US over the years, I bet they aren't in the negotiating mood.
Hamas unilaterally maintained a ceasefire with Israel for over a year, while Israel abducted and assassinated their leaders.
The reason why Hamas won the election is because most money Hamas gets they spend on Palestinians rather than on themselves like Israel's pet Fatah.
That's not to say they are nice guys. But they are a byproduct of the injustice and oppression suffered by nationless Palestinian refugees. Given the treatment they've gotten from Israel and the US over the years, I bet they aren't in the negotiating mood.
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Earth as one, you are quite correct in your description of the characteristics of Fatah and Hamas. Fatah was (and is) shockingly corrupt. Hamas is not.
Unfortunately, Hamas has some other problems you fail to mention.......like, for instance they are homicidal maniacs controled by the looney state of Iran, determined to utterly destroy Israel and help create a pan-Arab Islamo-=fascist state, or be martyred in the cause(along with everyone else in the territories)
I was so impressed with the news clips of unarmed Palestinian folks pushing armed gunmen off the streets in rage......The tragedy is that the Palestinian people have only a choice between Hamas and Fatah.
BUT, that's like having a choice between a purse-snatcher and Adolph Hitler...........the purse snatcher wins by default.
Unfortunately, Hamas has some other problems you fail to mention.......like, for instance they are homicidal maniacs controled by the looney state of Iran, determined to utterly destroy Israel and help create a pan-Arab Islamo-=fascist state, or be martyred in the cause(along with everyone else in the territories)
I was so impressed with the news clips of unarmed Palestinian folks pushing armed gunmen off the streets in rage......The tragedy is that the Palestinian people have only a choice between Hamas and Fatah.
BUT, that's like having a choice between a purse-snatcher and Adolph Hitler...........the purse snatcher wins by default.
Without the dirty chicken bastard Zionists involved, I'm sure the press is having a hard time trying to find an angle for this conflict.
Did Logic actually come up with that? It's been so long I couldn't remember if it was Logic or the other one...Aeon, I think was the name...
I think Logic and Aeon are one. :x
coalition-of swiss chalet-retarded-chicken foreign policy
sooooo yer a (?)....there are innocent people not to mention children who are just pawns dying and if you have your wish starve , in this area the United States was supposed to promised to bring peace to back in the 60's......
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Effectively that describes Gaza since Hamas won a majority in a free and fair vote over a year ago.
B'Tselem (Israeli Human Rights Group)
What this means in human terms:
The Independant
These people suffer ethnic cleansing, military occupation, civil war and an economic blockade. Guess what? They are angry, suicidal, fanatical and well armed. Israel believes they can be pacified by a regime of constant bombardment, abduction, torture and summary execution/assassination.
But after 60 years of this, these people just seem to become more angry, suicidal, fanatical and better armed. To boot, they have a prolific birth rate which more than offsets their higher death rate.
Maybe its time to try a new approach which involves freedom and justice. That's something these people have never known in 60 years. Who knows its a crazy idea but it just might work.
Desperate people do desperate things.
Hitler was democratically elected by a majority while Germany suffered post WW I economic collapse.
Hamas is a consequence of 60 years of intolerable cruelty. At least Gazans are led by people dedicated to fighting injustice and opppression, rather than lining their own pockets. Also from what I've seen Hamas does what they say and says what they do. Israelis may not like what Hamas says and does, but Hamas is honest, has legitimacy... and a democratic mandate.
If you want to understand Hamas, you must consider the Palestinian experience. Gaza is smaller than Manhattan island, holds 1.4 million people and resembles a prison which has recently been taken over by the prisoners. Its a place where Israel dumps non-Jews after they steal their property.
Whether Palestinians resist oppression and injustice violently or non-violently, the outcome is the same. More oppression and injustice.
What is commonly known about this conflict ius more a result of manipulating propaganda, than objective information.
For example, our news never did report that Hamas unilaterally maintained a ceasefire for over a year until recently despite Israel's abduction, torture and assassination of their leaders. While Israel did/does these things, our news re-reports old news about Hamas like these acts of violence were ongoing.
When Hamas finally resumed their violent resistance, our news never reports this violence in the context of Israeli attacks on Palestinian civilians and politicians. Our news doesn't tell us the stories of Israeli soldiers and colonialists torturing and murdering Palestinians with impunity. It doesn't mention the thousands of Palestinians homes demolished each year. Not a surprise that selectively omitting all that information results in a distorted perception of the reality of Gaza and Hamas.
Sorry, C, but I won't reinforce demonizing stereotypes. If people want to be misinformed, they can turn on the idiot box. If they want real informationa and/or real debate, they can read debates on this forum, apply critical thought and develop their own opinions.
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So, do you think that means we should have supported GERMANY in World War Two? Or stayed out of it?
Hamas started the latest round of violence by taking a PA security official to the top of a 15 story building and throwing him off. Hamas has been executing captured Fatah followers in Gaza. Hamas bought the (hopefully temporary) affections of the Palestinian people with cash supplied by the lunatics in Iran. Hamas is a pawn of Iran, who couldn't give a fiddler's ph*ck about the Palestinian people.....what should be VERY clear to you and other observers of the ME is that the Islamo-fascists of Hamas don't give a damn about their own people either......they can easily be sacrificed in the interests of a greater Islamic state, and the murder of all Jews.
Sorry, EAO, NOBODY is going to swallow the hypothesis that this mess is Israel's fault..........
I don't ask anyone to swallow anything. Nor do I use manipulative words like Islamo-fascist. I post information our media selectively omits. Once people have more complete information, they can think for themselves, filter out the BS and come to their own conclusions.
My opinion is that since Israel and the US arm/train Fatah and give their leaders millions in bribes, they can't claim to be innocent bystanders in this conflict.
From what I can tell, the original backers of Hamas was the US and Israel back when secular Fatah was considered the main threat. But when Hamas became a serious threat and Fatah indicated a willingness to sell out fellow Palestinians in exchange for millions in bribes and arms, the US and Israel switched to funding Fatah.
Divide and conquer is a well know tactic to weaken your enemy. Israel and the US use this tactic extensively. In my opinion, the Hamas victory over Fatah in Gaza is a setback for US and Israeli attempts to keep Palestinians in a constant state of civil war.
Now that the battle for Gaza is over, the US and Israel will probably try to ensure Fatah doesn't also loose in the West Bank. Unfortunately Fatah is so corrupt that a substantial amount of US/Israel support for Fatah will probably end up in foreign Fatah bank accounts.
I'm sure most Palestinians are well aware that the US and Israel back Fatah. They are also aware that Fatah is willing to sell them out for personal gain. Hamas on the other hand is honest and can't be bribed to sell out fellow Palestinians. Who do you think Palestinians support?
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When it looked like Hamas and Fatah might resolve their differences peacefully, this event happened:
Now who could possibly benefit from killing the children of Fatah's chief torturer and executioner????
Outrage over killing of Gaza boys
The car was reportedly hit by more than 70 bullets
Scene of the attack
The killing of three sons of a top intelligence officer in Gaza has caused widespread outrage among Palestinians.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said the attack by gunmen in Gaza City was "an ugly and inhuman crime".
"Words stop at the extent of this crime," said the children's father, Baha Balusheh, who is linked to Mr Abbas's Fatah party.
The gunmen fired dozens of bullets at the car in which the children, aged six to 10, were travelling to school.
An adult was also killed in the attack which took place in a street crowded with children.
I am a father who has lost his children... This crime is a part of the terrorism which continues on Palestinian streets
Baha Balousheh
So far, no-one has admitted carrying out the drive-by shooting.
The motive also remains unclear but Mr Balousheh's position means he would have made many enemies, the BBC's Alan Johnston in Gaza says.
Mr Balousheh led a crackdown on the now-ruling Hamas movement 10 years ago. "I am a father who has lost his children... This crime is a part of the terrorism which continues on Palestinian streets," said Mr Balousheh who was not travelling in the car at the time. Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum condemned the killings as an "awful, ugly crime against innocent children".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6167835.stm
Now who could possibly benefit from killing the children of Fatah's chief torturer and executioner????