Policy cost Canada UN seat: former ambassador

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Experts are blaming Canada's failure to win a seat on the United Nations Security Council on its foreign policy, not political division, a day after Tuesday's surprise loss in New York.

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mentalfloss

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There we go.

This shouldn't be surprising in the least. We have a few obvious black marks with Kyoto, Copenhagen, and our new-found militant regime. Oust the economists, bring in the libertarians and environmentalists and we'll get our seat next time.
 

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The UN is a joke, the fact that you basically have to sell your soul to join the security club says it all.
 

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This cancershould be purged from the body of the United States. Let it relocate in Gabon, Congo, Burkina Faso, Zimbabwe or any other similar hell hole on the globe.

Let it survive without the contribution and maintenance of the PRODUCERS in the world, or die a well-deserved, long-overdue death.
 

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Cobalt_Kid

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Consequences

When the conservatives claim it was comments made by the Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff that cost Canada a seat on the UN Security Council they're being less than honest, in fact they're lying.

None of the UN delegates when asked by CBC journalists were even aware of Ignatieffs statements and considering the major effort this current government has gone to to downplay the importance of the opposition and the House in general in this country it's likely that little of what's said domestically in Canada is even heard elsewhere.

What UN delegates and others do say is it's the foreign policies of Steven Harper that have caused the sharp decline of support for Canada at the UN. Canada's continuing efforts to block international climate change initiatives that are supported by most nations of the world, his pro-Israel bias, withdrawl of aid from Africa and refusal to sign declarations on Aboriginal and social rights have alienated many.

Harper showing up at the UN at the last minute, a hasty aid package to Africa and little maple syrup bottles for delegates was just another cynical touch by a government out of touch.

Having a far right of center government in power has it's consequences.
 

Icarus27k

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Yeah. Sorry, Canada, for not getting onto the Security Council this time.
 

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Re: Consequences

When the conservatives claim it was comments made by the Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff that cost Canada a seat on the UN Security Council they're being less than honest, in fact they're lying.

None of the UN delegates when asked by CBC journalists were even aware of Ignatieffs statements and considering the major effort this current government has gone to to downplay the importance of the opposition and the House in general in this country it's likely that little of what's said domestically in Canada is even heard elsewhere.

What UN delegates and others do say is it's the foreign policies of Steven Harper that have caused the sharp decline of support for Canada at the UN. Canada's continuing efforts to block international climate change initiatives that are supported by most nations of the world, his pro-Israel bias, withdrawl of aid from Africa and refusal to sign declarations on Aboriginal and social rights have alienated many.

Harper showing up at the UN at the last minute, a hasty aid package to Africa and little maple syrup bottles for delegates was just another cynical touch by a government out of touch.

Having a far right of center government in power has it's consequences.

Sorry, but the leanings of a government either left or right should have no bearing on a decision like this.

This is shameful of the UN.

Do you think China should be a permanent member given it's human rights violations?
 

Cobalt_Kid

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Sorry, but the leanings of a government either left or right should have no bearing on a decision like this.

This is shameful of the UN.

Do you think China should be a permanent member given it's human rights violations?

We're not China we're Canada, in the past we depended on our reputation for impartiality and fairness for much of our support at the UN.

The far right ideologies of Harper have destroyed much of the old image of Canada both at home and abroad, blaming Ignatieff for the consequences is dishonest.

Is there any appreciable difference between this thread and the other thread on the subject? If no one can show me one in the next half hour, I will merge the two.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/cbc-news/96460-policy-cost-canada-un-seat.html

merge away, I didn't see the other thread
 

Avro

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Re: Consequences

We're not China we're Canada, in the past we depended on our reputation for impartiality and fairness for much of our support at the UN.

The far right ideologies of Harper have destroyed much of the old image of Canada both at home and abroad, blaming Ignatieff for the consequences is dishonest.



merge away, I didn't see the other thread

Far right?

Give me a break.

Even if....so what?

Now only lefties need apply?

Utter nonsense.
 

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Re: Consequences

When the conservatives claim it was comments made by the Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff that cost Canada a seat on the UN Security Council they're being less than honest, in fact they're lying.

None of the UN delegates when asked by CBC journalists were even aware of Ignatieffs statements and considering the major effort this current government has gone to to downplay the importance of the opposition and the House in general in this country it's likely that little of what's said domestically in Canada is even heard elsewhere.

What UN delegates and others do say is it's the foreign policies of Steven Harper that have caused the sharp decline of support for Canada at the UN. Canada's continuing efforts to block international climate change initiatives that are supported by most nations of the world, his pro-Israel bias, withdrawl of aid from Africa and refusal to sign declarations on Aboriginal and social rights have alienated many.

Harper showing up at the UN at the last minute, a hasty aid package to Africa and little maple syrup bottles for delegates was just another cynical touch by a government out of touch.

Having a far right of center government in power has it's consequences.

Agreed and apparently the UAE also did a little work to help squash attempts of Canada getting a seat:

UAE sought to sink Canada's bid for UN Security Council seat in latest blow to relations
UAE sought to sink Canada's bid for UN Security Council seat in latest blow to relations - Society - Canada - World - The News (New Glasgow)

The United Arab Emirates lobbied against Canada's bid for a U.N. Security Council seat in the latest blow to relations that soured after disputes over airline routes, a UAE official said Thursday.

The Gulf country's opposition followed harsh complaints about Canada's refusal to open more flights for the fast-growing carriers Emirates and Etihad. The government in Abu Dhabi is also forcing Canada to leave a military base that is used to supply Canadian forces in Afghanistan.......

So while Harper and his idiots may continue to play the blame shifting game and finger point at everybody else..... in reality, it's Harper's fault.... it's the Conservative's fault.

Don't forget, they're the leading party, therefore they're directly responsible.

What really gets me is that while we have this blunder of not getting a seat for the first time in our country's history , and all of the continual corruption, two-face back-stabbing, lying and pitting of parties against parties with no sign of any sort of co-operation the Conservatives have been using since they gained power...... both CTV and CBC toss out yet another poll saying that the Cons are slightly leading the Liberals.

*shakes head*

How the sweet fok does that work??

They screw up just about everything under the sun, throw out elections that served no purpose other then to gain a couple of seats, send the majority of the stimulus money to communities that voted Conservative, lied to the general public about the Coalition.... Prorogue Parliament in order to save his own party's ass and his position, divides the country and resurrects the separatist issues, thumbs his arse pucker at the UN for years until just a few days ago where he starts to kiss ass....... publicly takes a side in the Middle East conflict and excuses the atrocities committed by Israel.......

..... Hell there's so much more I could list, but all one needs to do is search these forums for a good detailed list of his and his party's blunders and incompetence........

...... Out of all of that..... the Conservatives gain support?

Conservatives widen lead: poll
CBC News - Canada - Conservatives widen lead: poll

^ Seriously, how retarded can people be?

I'll be glad that I no longer will have to deal with this kind of BS in a few months, because it sure doesn't look like this country is going to improve much in the future.

This country and its people seem to have lost all their balls (and brains) years ago to allow this idiot to remain in power..... an idiot who acts like some 8 year old kid who blames the neighbor's kid for something he screwed up.... simply because he can't fathom accepting responsibility for the crap that's going on right now.

I'm not a huge fan of the UN or the Security Council since I can't remember the last good thing they did..... but the mere fact that this is the first time in history we've never won a seat and everything points to the principles, actions and practices our current government and our current leader have made over the years should be a wake up call that not only is our "leader" completely incompetent and unworthy to lead this nation.... but the Conservatives and Harper have basically eaten a big plate of cabbage rolls, headed off to the bathroom, took a huge, greasy dump.... and then taken this country's global image and wiped their skudgy ass with it.

Sorry, but the leanings of a government either left or right should have no bearing on a decision like this.

This is shameful of the UN.

Do you think China should be a permanent member given it's human rights violations?

It goes well beyond just human rights violations.
 

mentalfloss

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Re: Consequences

Sorry, but the leanings of a government either left or right should have no bearing on a decision like this.

This is shameful of the UN.

Do you think China should be a permanent member given it's human rights violations?


Nope. That's definitely shameful. It's also shameful that the U.S. is another permanent member of the board.

Canada not getting in for very legitimate reasons, however, is not shameful.
 

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UAE wants landing slots at Canadian airports, so they don't like us. In the end, though, does it matter if we're on the Security Council?

Other than the bragging rights, does it accomplish anything?