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Colpy
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#1May 7th, 2009
Now, I been waiting for days for someone to bring this up.

I didn't want to do it, for fear someone would think I was Liberal-bashing> (Perish the thought!)

Dear Ruby, Sweetheart of the Liberal Party of Canada, Cabinet minister, uncontested loveliest of them all, Champion of Canadian multiculturialism..........appears to be, in reality, an elitist psycho-bitch. (My heart leaps with joy!)

A sense of entitlement is, of course, part and parcel of the upper crust of the Liberal Party.......but Dear Ruby has carried it to an extreme! Immigrant ladies hired to aid her ailing mother claim they were worked 16 hours a day for the paltry sum of $250 a week........illegal, under Ontario law........forced to do work they had not hired on for........forced to do unpaid overtime.....illegal, under Ontario law........had their pay with held.......illegal under Ontario law, and YES! the best of the best! Had their passports seized by the winsome Ruby! A serious Federal crime!

Slavery brought to Canada! Multiculturialism and Liberal ethics at their finest! Gotta LOVE it!

And, oh, it is just the gift that gives on giving.......the Liberal gov't of Dalton Dumbass McGuinty has admitted his Labour Minister exhibited "a bit of a tin ear" when told of the situation at a Town Hall meeting.

To say the least!

Gotta love it!

And now I'm going to exercise my old Reform persecution complex......and suggest that had this been a Conservative, the denizens of these forums would have been on this like flies on....you know......

But, I can't be brought down! Hand me that Bashing Branch! It is just too damn easy!
 
Niflmir
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May 7th, 2009
You can never pass up the opportunity to demonize your opponents.

Bash on.
 
lone wolf
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May 7th, 2009
Did she sponsor them into Canada too? Visas all nice and legal?
 
L Gilbert
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May 7th, 2009
Quote:

You can never pass up the opportunity to demonize your opponents.

Bash on.

Sometimes its fun. lol I get the best of all worlds though, I can bash on Cons, Glibs, Dippers, etc. at will. lol
 
L Gilbert
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Now, I been waiting for days for someone to bring this up.

I didn't want to do it, for fear someone would think I was Liberal-bashing> (Perish the thought!)

Dear Ruby, Sweetheart of the Liberal Party of Canada, Cabinet minister, uncontested loveliest of them all, Champion of Canadian multiculturialism..........appears to be, in reality, an elitist psycho-bitch. (My heart leaps with joy!)

A sense of entitlement is, of course, part and parcel of the upper crust of the Liberal Party.......but Dear Ruby has carried it to an extreme! Immigrant ladies hired to aid her ailing mother claim they were worked 16 hours a day for the paltry sum of $250 a week........illegal, under Ontario law........forced to do work they had not hired on for........forced to do unpaid overtime.....illegal, under Ontario law........had their pay with held.......illegal under Ontario law, and YES! the best of the best! Had their passports seized by the winsome Ruby! A serious Federal crime!

Slavery brought to Canada! Multiculturialism and Liberal ethics at their finest! Gotta LOVE it!

And, oh, it is just the gift that gives on giving.......the Liberal gov't of Dalton Dumbass McGuinty has admitted his Labour Minister exhibited "a bit of a tin ear" when told of the situation at a Town Hall meeting.

To say the least!

Gotta love it!

And now I'm going to exercise my old Reform persecution complex......and suggest that had this been a Conservative, the denizens of these forums would have been on this like flies on....you know......

But, I can't be brought down! Hand me that Bashing Branch! It is just too damn easy!

Um, I wouldn't necessarily pin activity like that on Glibs. Politicians are politicians. I am sure Cons aren't all angelic.
 
Niflmir
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May 7th, 2009
Currently I believe my best option is to not show up and vote. The only problem being that the politicians in this country are assinine enough to equate self-disenfranchisement with acquiescence to their bs.

If I ever figure out how to get my lack of faith in our electoral system across without becoming a politician...
 
Colpy
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

You can never pass up the opportunity to demonize your opponents.

Bash on.

Moi????? Surely you jest!

seriously, when it is a subject where there is no intent or ethical fault on the part of the protagonist, I won't pile on........but when it is something such as this, legally out-of-bounds and ethically deplorable, you are damn right I demonize em!
 
Niflmir
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Moi????? Surely you jest!

seriously, when it is a subject where there is no intent or ethical fault on the part of the protagonist, I won't pile on........but when it is something such as this, legally out-of-bounds and ethically deplorable, you are damn right I demonize em!

I don't really care to look into it, so I am going to take your word on it.

Probably she knew that as an illegal immigrant, the person wouldn't be able to seek remedy under the law. Probably she knew this because of her position. People with familiarity and understanding of the law can take advantage of it in some pretty disgusting ways.
 
YukonJack
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May 7th, 2009
When you are from a so-called "Democracy" that cherishes a system worse than slavery - namely the CASTE system - you would think that it is your right to be abusive to anyone you consider - in your misguided pathetic view - worse than yourself.

Ruby Dhalla first should be pitied. Secondly, she should be forced to resigne. Then she should be deported to her home where she could fully enjoy the treatment she handed out to her employees.
 
Colpy
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

When you are from a so-called "Democracy" that cherishes a system worse than slavery - namely the CASTE system - you would think that it is your right to be abusive to anyone you consider - in your misguided pathetic view - worse than yourself.

Ruby Dhalla first should be pitied. Secondly, she should be forced to resigne. Then she should be deported to her home where she could fully enjoy the treatment she handed out to her employees.

Deported to Winnipeg????? How cruel can you be!!!!!!

That is where she was born.
 
YukonJack
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May 7th, 2009
"Deported to Winnipeg????? How cruel can you be!!!!!!

That is where she was born. "


Sorry, I must have been misinformed. I heard about her despicable treatment of her employees on CJOB here in Winnipeg. The story only mentioned that she was of Indian origin, made no mention of the place of her birth.

Hey, Winnipeg is NOT BAD!!!

I moved here two years ago, no regrets.
 
L Gilbert
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

Currently I believe my best option is to not show up and vote. The only problem being that the politicians in this country are assinine enough to equate self-disenfranchisement with acquiescence to their bs.

If I ever figure out how to get my lack of faith in our electoral system across without becoming a politician...

Make up a half page ad or a petition of sorts saying why you won't vote and get as many people as you can to sign it. Send it to MLAs, MPs, newsmedia, etc.
 
Niflmir
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Make up a half page ad or a petition of sorts saying why you won't vote and get as many people as you can to sign it. Send it to MLAs, MPs, newsmedia, etc.

That is actually a reasonable idea.
 
Cannuck
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May 7th, 2009
Where are all the Liberal supporters?
 
Colpy
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Where are all the Liberal supporters?

I confess.

I bashed them........I guess you could say they are bashful.
 
Machjo
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Now, I been waiting for days for someone to bring this up.

I didn't want to do it, for fear someone would think I was Liberal-bashing> (Perish the thought!)

Dear Ruby, Sweetheart of the Liberal Party of Canada, Cabinet minister, uncontested loveliest of them all, Champion of Canadian multiculturialism..........appears to be, in reality, an elitist psycho-bitch. (My heart leaps with joy!)

A sense of entitlement is, of course, part and parcel of the upper crust of the Liberal Party.......but Dear Ruby has carried it to an extreme! Immigrant ladies hired to aid her ailing mother claim they were worked 16 hours a day for the paltry sum of $250 a week........illegal, under Ontario law........forced to do work they had not hired on for........forced to do unpaid overtime.....illegal, under Ontario law........had their pay with held.......illegal under Ontario law, and YES! the best of the best! Had their passports seized by the winsome Ruby! A serious Federal crime!

Slavery brought to Canada! Multiculturialism and Liberal ethics at their finest! Gotta LOVE it!

And, oh, it is just the gift that gives on giving.......the Liberal gov't of Dalton Dumbass McGuinty has admitted his Labour Minister exhibited "a bit of a tin ear" when told of the situation at a Town Hall meeting.

To say the least!

Gotta love it!

And now I'm going to exercise my old Reform persecution complex......and suggest that had this been a Conservative, the denizens of these forums would have been on this like flies on....you know......

But, I can't be brought down! Hand me that Bashing Branch! It is just too damn easy!

Just a few points:

1. If I commit a crime, you can't blame whatever religious, ethnic or cultural community, or even political party I may belong to.

2. Whether I'm the local plumber or the local MP, I'm still to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and treated in compliance with the laws like anyone else.

On these notes:

1. Dhallia's alleged behaviour has absolutely nothing to do with the Liberal Party. Can we even prove that anyone else in the Liberal Party knew anything about this?

2. Whoever has any evidence aobut this should present it to the appropriate authorities, be it the labour relations board or the police.

And no, I would not be saying anything different if it was a a Conservative MP, and would be just as appalled at the politicization of the issue if it were the Liberals trying to smear the reputation of the Conservative Partythrough parallel allegations as I'm appalled at some Conservative MP's exploiting these allegations for their own personal unscrupulous gain.

If those MP's genuinely cared about the welfare of those workers, they would not have been wasting their time trying to smear the Liberals in Parliament, but rather passing whatever information they have on to the Ontario Labour Relations Board and the police. Putting an MP in prison for a proven crime is one thing. But smearing an MP's reputation in Parliament without the MP having had the chance to present his side of the story is quite another.

In Parliament, policy ought to be the focus of discussion. Criminal or other legal issues should be dealt with in a court of law. This is why we have separation between the legislative and judicial branches of government, and the legislative ought to keep its nose out of judicial issues.
 
Machjo
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

When you are from a so-called "Democracy" that cherishes a system worse than slavery - namely the CASTE system - you would think that it is your right to be abusive to anyone you consider - in your misguided pathetic view - worse than yourself.

Ruby Dhalla first should be pitied. Secondly, she should be forced to resigne. Then she should be deported to her home where she could fully enjoy the treatment she handed out to her employees.

Don't you think the allegations should be proven first? Same with Mulroney by the way. Even politicians are to be presumed not guilty until proven so. And should Mulroney be found guilty in the end, that will not reflect on any other former PC MP, any more than if Dhally shold be found guilty, that it should reflect on any Liberal MP. One cannot be held accountable for the sins of his neighbour.
 
Colpy
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Just a few points:

1. If I commit a crime, you can't blame whatever religious, ethnic or cultural community, or even political party I may belong to.

2. Whether I'm the local plumber or the local MP, I'm still to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and treated in compliance with the laws like anyone else.

On these notes:

1. Dhallia's alleged behaviour has absolutely nothing to do with the Liberal Party. Can we even prove that anyone else in the Liberal Party knew anything about this?

2. Whoever has any evidence aobut this should present it to the appropriate authorities, be it the labour relations board or the police.

And no, I would not be saying anything different if it was a a Conservative MP, and would be just as appalled at the politicization of the issue if it were the Liberals trying to smear the reputation of the Conservative Partythrough parallel allegations as I'm appalled at some Conservative MP's exploiting these allegations for their own personal unscrupulous gain.

If those MP's genuinely cared about the welfare of those workers, they would not have been wasting their time trying to smear the Liberals in Parliament, but rather passing whatever information they have on to the Ontario Labour Relations Board and the police. Putting an MP in prison for a proven crime is one thing. But smearing an MP's reputation in Parliament without the MP having had the chance to present his side of the story is quite another.

In Parliament, policy ought to be the focus of discussion. Criminal or other legal issues should be dealt with in a court of law. This is why we have separation between the legislative and judicial branches of government, and the legislative ought to keep its nose out of judicial issues.

All more or less true.........

Except that Dhalla is a Cabinet Minister, and should have been chosen for her good character.......

And the Ontario Liberals kinda dragged their feet....

And you are a Party Pooper.
 
Machjo
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May 7th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

All more or less true.........

Except that Dhalla is a Cabinet Minister, and should have been chosen for her good character.......

Even the best investigator cannot always dig all the skelletons out of the closet. You can't blame the Liberals for not knowing aobut this, unless of course you propose that they should spy on their members?

Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

And the Ontario Liberals kinda dragged their feet....

Possibly. Again, we'd first have to find out when the proper authorities were informed ot this. And add to that that the Ontario Liberals should have nothing to do with it. If I should commit such an act and get caught, sure the police might fine me, or forceme to pay compensation to my nannies, or even jail me. But it's highly unlikely that even then, the premier would ever hear of my existance. The police andthe courts would simply carry out their duties as pe protocol. Why should it be any different for an MP? The Ontario Liberal Party should keep its nose out of it and let the proper authorites do their job as they would for any other citizen.

Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

And you are a Party Pooper.

Glad I could be of service
 
Machjo
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May 7th, 2009
Just another point referencing certain comments above. Assuming the allegations are eventually proven true, what makes us think that her ethnic background and its relation to the caste system would automatically play a role in this?

For one thing, the caste system is now illegal in India, though it still persists. Could it not just as easily be greed and not wanting to pay more than necessary for service? Of course the caste system could play a role, but it would be quite presumtuous to assume that it would necessarily play a role.

To take a parallel example, imagine if Dhally were Anglo-saxon. Would it automatically relate to Canada's slave-trade history (as short-lived as it was) or racism, or some sense of Anglo superiority? Of course they could be possibilities, but we still should't be blinded by the simple possibility that it simply had to do with not wanting to dish out money.

Again, her ethnic identity might have played a role in this, but it's presumptuous to assume that it did play a role without the slightest shadow of a doubt.

And having said all this, both her case and Mulroney's are still allegations so far, and as such, they have a right to be respected as persons under the law and treated as innocent until proven guilty.
 
wulfie68
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May 8th, 2009
OK I'm a little confused here. Colpy, you're calling her a cabinet minister but isn't she a Liberal MP thus in opposition, or was she in Martin's cabinet?

Secondly Machjo, I take your points about her actions not being reflections on her party and unknown to the members of her party, etc but you know how it works in our system: if one is accused, all are guilty. It was the Liberal tactic on the reform for over a decade, tied in with the infamous "they have a hidden agenda" spiel. The NDP, Bloc and Conservatives do it too (is there a federal Liberal they didn't try to connect to Adscam?) so its definately not a one way street.

As for her innocence or guilt, yes we're innocent until proven guilty but at the same time she did resign her post within the Liberal caucus and Ignatieff accepted it. Innocent people don't usually resign that easily... again its not a definate thing but a possible indicator that something isn't right.

In the end its disappointing in a way: our political system is rife with apathy and disinterest from all over but especially from young people, and when we do have a role model to possibly generate some interest (young, female, visible minority so a possible role model with appeal in multiple realms), this happens.
 
Colpy
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May 8th, 2009
Sorry Wulfie, you are right.

Shadow cabinet, I meant.........Multiculturism critic.....sounds like a job for me!
 
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May 8th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Just a few points:

1. If I commit a crime, you can't blame whatever religious, ethnic or cultural community, or even political party I may belong to.

Unless you are Conservative

Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

2. Whether I'm the local plumber or the local MP, I'm still to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and treated in compliance with the laws like anyone else.

Unless you are Conservative

Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

And no, I would not be saying anything different if it was a a Conservative MP, and would be just as appalled at the politicization of the issue if it were the Liberals trying to smear the reputation of the Conservative Partythrough parallel allegations as I'm appalled at some Conservative MP's exploiting these allegations for their own personal unscrupulous gain.

You're joking right? Do you honestly believe SJP wouldn't have posted something if this was Day or Levant? Where is SJP on this one?
 
mabudon
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May 8th, 2009
the irony of the situation is sweet...

All's I have to say is if anyone thinks this woman was/is the ONLY well-to-do person taking advantage of people in this manner, they are probably wrong.

Also funny is how it destroys the classical BS platitude concerning hard work being the key to success. I have worked real hard in the past and success was not part of the payoff, and I would imagine there's a lot of folks who have put the lie to that "equation" empirically
 
aman12
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May 8th, 2009
It is normal for an elected official to resign as a cabinet minister or opposition critic if they are perceived to be involved in a situation, particularly if it involves their department. It does not imply any guilt on Dhalla's part.
 
TenPenny
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May 8th, 2009
I'm interested in what the facts show.
However, I would not be surprised to find that it is true. And not because she's a Liberal, or immigrant, or woman, but because this kind of thing is not uncommon. I know of other politicians who have had nannies who had odd tales to tell.
Also, in the US, it's not uncommon for political appointees to be found to have employed illegal aliens, or not filed income taxes, or to not properly handled SS for domestic servants, etc etc, and this seems to be omnipresent in all parties.

My gut tells me she's guilty as hell, but I'm always willing t wait for the facts.
 
darkbeaver
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May 8th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by mabudonView Post

the irony of the situation is sweet...

All's I have to say is if anyone thinks this woman was/is the ONLY well-to-do person taking advantage of people in this manner, they are probably wrong.

Also funny is how it destroys the classical BS platitude concerning hard work being the key to success. I have worked real hard in the past and success was not part of the payoff, and I would imagine there's a lot of folks who have put the lie to that "equation" empirically

You are right it isn't the party it is the person. She only mirrors the ethics of the political class in the west. She is typicle not the exception it is what you will find in every westernized institution on the planet, baseness and despicability, greed and evil these are the qualitys in every office in the land, a plaque of psycopaths.

"Hard work" (labour) is definately the key to success and when you can arrange others to perform it in chains rain or shine sixteen hours a day chained to a machine you will be rewarded with high office and your council will prevail in the ivory towers. Hard work is its own reward. That is no lie. But there are liars and thieves aplenty.
William Shakespen
 
darkbeaver
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May 8th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Sorry Wulfie, you are right.

Shadow cabinet, I meant.........Multiculturism critic.....sounds like a job for me!

Many uniculturalists aspire to those positions with intensions to impose culture in the manner of a viral infection. You pointed at the party first deflecting any attack on the class, she's been entitled by the class, the party is a conduit. Of course the person could be innocent, this is afterall American politics we should expect furrrther revelations.
 
Machjo
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May 8th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68View Post

Secondly Machjo, I take your points about her actions not being reflections on her party and unknown to the members of her party, etc but you know how it works in our system: if one is accused, all are guilty. It was the Liberal tactic on the reform for over a decade, tied in with the infamous "they have a hidden agenda" spiel. The NDP, Bloc and Conservatives do it too (is there a federal Liberal they didn't try to connect to Adscam?) so its definately not a one way street.

So because Jimmy smokes, Johnny should too? How about setting an example?[quote]
 
Machjo
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May 8th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Unless you are Conservative



Unless you are Conservative



You're joking right? Do you honestly believe SJP wouldn't have posted something if this was Day or Levant? Where is SJP on this one?

I agree. It's just a shame that one side decided to stoop to the level of the other rather than taking the moral high ground. That does not attract my vote at all. Right now, I'm leaning ever more towards independent candidates so that they can stay outr of the Party circus.
 

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