Ruby Dhalla

Ruby Dhalla

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#91

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Seizing passports and refusing earned pay.

And, I watched Dhalla and her lawyer on the CBC News tonight.....her lawyer looks like he was given the job of playing a bottom-feeding arsehole by central casting.........and they are both lying through their teeth in my humble opinion. Now all the power that Ruby can bring to bear will be aimed at these unfortunate ladies.

I find in incredible that the Liberals, her caucus mates, are not coming to her defence. It speaks volumes.

In the eyes of the law, she is innocent of any crime until proven guilty.....but in my opinion, she is guilty as hell.

Damn!! Twice this month, I've had to agree with Colpy........

will it never end??

Ruby's got quite a sense of entitlement. Fire the bitch.

Cannuck

No Party Affiliation

#92

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

The Conservative party is famous for their coaching and bribery like in the Chuck Cadman so called deal.

Ruby Dhalla was an effective voice against the Convervative party and the Harper government has decided to silence this voice once and for all.

Lets face it the Conservative party has a visible minority intolerance and women issues so Ruby meets the requiements.

We have to remember Navdeep Bains a Liberal MP of Mississauga-Brampton he was effectively muzzled by the Conservatives when they tried to deport a close relative of Navdeep Bains from Canada.

Ruby Dhalla is from the riding next to Navdeep Bains, which is Brampton—Springdale

I just like to know what the Conservatives promised the nannies is it Canadian citizenship, maybe a million dollar insurance policy, maybe more?

According to Ruby Dhalla’s lawyer this alegedly happenned one year ago so the nannies are just bringing it up now?

Looks like the Conservatives are ready be thrown out of office but wait, I heard the Prime Minister is at the Governor General’s home having porogue-ee talk to save his political ASS-ET again

Now this is more like it

Machjo

#93

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

The Conservative party is famous for their coaching and bribery like in the Chuck Cadman so called deal.

It's just as wrong to stereotype Conservatives as it is Liberals. The party is just a party; people join it to have a good time.

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

Ruby Dhalla was an effective voice against the Convervative party

So her job description was 'be an effective voice against the Conservatives, no matter what they do'? Wow, how's that for being pointlessly confrontational!

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

and the Harper government has decided to silence this voice once and for all.

I don't think it's fair to assume without evidence that this is some kind of planed conspiracy hacked up in the Conservative Party Caucus. We do have proof, however, that certain MP's (party affiliation being irrelevent) have chosen to stick their legislative noses into judicial matters, forgetting that there's a reason for which we've split the government into separate branches. Again, until we have proof that this is some kind of official Conservative Party conspiracy, I'd rather look at it as an issue of individual MPs (regardless of Party affiliation) who've chosen to exploit another person's problems unscrupulously to their own advantage.

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

Lets face it the Conservative party has a visible minority intolerance and women issues so Ruby meets the requiements.

It is unfortunate that, for some reason, the Conservative Party, along with the PC's, Reform, and Canadian Alliance before them have tended to attract a lot of racist, anti-immigrant, and other bigoted types. To be fair though, I've also come across conservatives who acknowledge this problem and who themselves are very critical of the fact that the right doesn't do enough to distance themselves from such elements. Again, the Conservative Party is not officially anti-minority or anti-women. Many of tis members may be, and that is a big problem. But again, you seem to like to smear a whole group of individuals based on petty party divisions.

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

We have to remember

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

Navdeep Bains a Liberal MP of Mississauga-Brampton he was effectively muzzled by the Conservatives when they tried to deport a close relative of Navdeep Bains from Canada.

Indeed, there are many Conservatives like that, but don't smear them all. Give precise names and target them. Why are you smearing the entire Conservative Party. The NDP attracts many militant and hateful types, too, but it would be equally inappropriate to just smear them all because of that. The Liberal Party is lucky in a sense by being sandwiched in, with the extreme left and right going to the NDP and Conservatives to deal with. This does mean that we really need to know our candidate when voting NDP or Conservative, but it doesn't mean that Liberals are necessarily better. Many Liberals are nothing more than status-quo types who like to gutlessly follow the polls, true professional politicians of the shallowest sort. So if we're going to vote Liberal, we need to get to know their candidates too to avoid that sort. Each Party has its bad apples, and the only way to get rid of them is to know the candidate we're voting for and not sheepishly vote Party like many do.

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

Ruby Dhalla is from the riding next to Navdeep Bains, which is Brampton—Springdale

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

I just like to know what the Conservatives promised the nannies is it Canadian citizenship, maybe a million dollar insurance policy, maybe more?

Now what you're suggesting is libelous and unscrupulous. If it's indeed true, which it could be, it's up to the courts to decide, not us.

As an asside, I think Harper is a bully, but I still wouldn't generalize it and say that because Harper is like that that all conservatives are.

Le'ts ust get rid of the parties and field independents. This is the kind of mindless generalizations party politics seems to generate.
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Francis2004

#94

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

OK let me ask all the brainiacs the simple question..

Have you ever sponsored a nanny or maid into the country ?

Canadian Law that you are responsible for the Sponsored person to the country and how do you stop them from shafting you after entering the country.. You become somewhat legally responsible for that sponsored person that you brought into the country and all good intents can turn bad. The only way some people feel they can hold back a person is the hold their passport. It is NOT right and but still done on a regular basis. For most the request to have the passport is the only thing to have it returned and a quick search RCMP of the persons will ensure they did cause any problems before leaving the country and host people.

I am by far not saying this is right and what happened..

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#95

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

We know a nice girl from Belarus who got her citizenship here after being brought over by a transplanted Jewish shrink from Montreal to be a nanny. He & his wife treated her like a slave and then she met another local guy here who treated her better but he was a slob and she ended up being his slave, too even though she was treated a little better.
She simply didn't know any better because what she had here, even though it was poor standards in our POV, was better than what she had over in Belarus.
But get this, her Dad was a fairly well-known surgeon in Belarus and didn't even rate to have a car over there. Had to be a party member fairly high up to have a car I guess.

#juan

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#96

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

The opening post was just a lot of hearsay nonsense that Colpy is trying to use to skewer the Liberal party yet again. There may be some truth to the allegations but Colpy treats the whole thing as gospel without any proof whatsoever.

Now, I been waiting for days for someone to bring this up.

I didn't want to do it, for fear someone would think I was Liberal-bashing> (Perish the thought!)

Dear Ruby, Sweetheart of the Liberal Party of Canada, Cabinet minister, uncontested loveliest of them all, Champion of Canadian multiculturialism..........appears to be, in reality, an elitist psycho-bitch. (My heart leaps with joy!)

A sense of entitlement is, of course, part and parcel of the upper crust of the Liberal Party.......but Dear Ruby has carried it to an extreme! Immigrant ladies hired to aid her ling mother claim they were worked 16 hours a day for the paltry sum of $250 a week......ai..illegal, under Ontario law........forced to do work they had not hired on for........forced to do unpaid overtime.....illegal, under Ontario law........had their pay with held.......illegal under Ontario law, and YES! the best of the best! Had their passports seized by the winsome Ruby! A serious Federal crime!
Slavery brought to Canada! Multiculturialism and Liberal ethics at their finest! Gotta LOVE it!

And, oh, it is just the gift that gives on giving.......the Liberal gov't of Dalton Dumbass McGuinty has admitted his Labour Minister exhibited "a bit of a tin ear" when told of the situation at a Town Hall meeting.[unquote]

Absolutely none of these Allegations are proven, and all of them are denied. I assume Colpy would want proof if the allegations were against him.

In time we will all know the truth of this matter, but that won't be for a while yet.

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#97

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

.......In time we will all know the truth of this matter, but that won't be for a while yet.

That's only a maybe, not a certainty.

#juan

No Party Affiliation

#98

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

That's only a maybe, not a certainty.

Well then. Lets Hang her on the word of disgruntled employees. She is a Liberal after all.

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#99

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

lol I'm not into hanging.
Anyway, that is beside my point. I was thinking about how investigations into upper politicians booboos are not usually settled as to guilt. Mulroney, we still don't know for sure. It took a long time to figure out the Chretien/EI thing, but the Shawinigate is still undecided (I think). Martin, we still don't know if he was in on the Adscam crap.

#juan

No Party Affiliation

#100

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

lol I'm not into hanging.
Anyway, that is beside my point. I was thinking about how investigations into upper politicians booboos are not usually settled as to guilt. Mulroney, we still don't know for sure. It took a long time to figure out the Chretien/EI thing, but the Shawinigate is still undecided (I think). Martin, we still don't know if he was in on the Adscam crap.

We know that Mulroney is guilty. He has admitted he took the money but he claims it was only $225,000.00, or $75,000.00 less than what Schreiber said. As far as I'm concerned, any elected official taking money is guilty of accepting a bribe. He should be jailed but I know he won't be.

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#101

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

ok, my booboo. My point still stands. Guilt is rarely decided and even more rarely is anything done about it.

Cannuck

No Party Affiliation

#102

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Absolutely none of these Allegations are proven, and all of them are denied. I assume Colpy would want proof if the allegations were against him.

This isn't about whether she is guilty or not. It is about the hypocrisy of Liberal supporters. While some of those on the left can't or won't admit it, had Ruby been a Conservative, they would be crucifying her. We are making fun of Liberal Party supporters...after all, they treat immigrants like crap and need to be made fun of.

If you doubt what I say, just look at Liberal Man's post then ask yourself why most of the Liberals have not commented on this.

Cannuck

No Party Affiliation

#103

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

As far as I'm concerned, any elected official taking money is guilty of accepting a bribe. He should be jailed but I know he won't be.

He wasn't an elected official. He took the money after he left office.

Brian Mulroney : The Unauthorized Chapter - Timeline : the fifth estate : CBC News

Maybe, like those you criticize, you should get your facts straight before you comment on the guilt or innocence of people N'K.

#juan

No Party Affiliation

#104

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

He wasn't an elected official. He took the money after he left office.

Brian Mulroney : The Unauthorized Chapter - Timeline : the fifth estate : CBC News

Maybe, like those you criticize, you should get your facts straight before you comment on the guilt or innocence of people N'K.

Glad to:

Brian Mulroney has realized he made a "colossal mistake" in taking $300,000 in cash from German businessman Karlheinz Schreiber when the former prime minister left political office more than a decade ago and has regretted it almost ever since, his spokesman said yesterday.
Luc Lavoie told CanWest News Service that when Mr. Mulroney left politics in 1993, he had money pressures since he was "not a rich man" at the head of a young family with certain lifestyle expectations.
Mr. Lavoie also said the payments represented a $100,000-a-year retainer for Mr. Mulroney's consulting services on a couple of projects -- a military vehicle plant in Montreal and a pasta business -- which didn't need to be claimed immediately on his income taxes.
The spokesman said Mr. Mulroney accepted the first envelope of $100,000 in cash from Mr. Schreiber while still an MP for Baie Comeau, Que., about one week before an election was called. But he quickly added that the question of when Mr. Mulroney paid income taxes on the payments isn't anyone's "Goddamn business."

All of the dealing went on before Bulroney left office.

Colpy

Conservative

#105

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

The opening post was just a lot of hearsay nonsense that Colpy is trying to use to skewer the Liberal party yet again. There may be some truth to the allegations but Colpy treats the whole thing as gospel without any proof whatsoever.

Now, I been waiting for days for someone to bring this up.
I didn't want to do it, for fear someone would think I was Liberal-bashing> (Perish the thought!)
Dear Ruby, Sweetheart of the Liberal Party of Canada, Cabinet minister, uncontested loveliest of them all, Champion of Canadian multiculturialism..........appears to be, in reality, an elitist psycho-bitch. (My heart leaps with joy!)
A sense of entitlement is, of course, part and parcel of the upper crust of the Liberal Party.......but Dear Ruby has carried it to an extreme! Immigrant ladies hired to aid her ling mother claim they were worked 16 hours a day for the paltry sum of $250 a week......ai..illegal, under Ontario law........forced to do work they had not hired on for........forced to do unpaid overtime.....illegal, under Ontario law........had their pay with held.......illegal under Ontario law, and YES! the best of the best! Had their...
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Well, partly true....

I love the story, but hearsay? Not to me.....straight out of the Globe and Mail.......

And the Justice System has to treat Dhalla as innocent until proven guilty........I don't.

I wouldn't have it any other way, on both counts.

I will say this.....dragging her before a Parliamentary Committee is ludicrous......it's out there, let the proper agencies handle it.

Cannuck

No Party Affiliation

#106

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Glad to:

Brian Mulroney has realized he made a "colossal mistake" in taking $300,000 in cash from German businessman Karlheinz Schreiber when the former prime minister left political office more than a decade ago and has regretted it almost ever since, his spokesman said yesterday.
Luc Lavoie told CanWest News Service that when Mr. Mulroney left politics in 1993, he had money pressures since he was "not a rich man" at the head of a young family with certain lifestyle expectations.
Mr. Lavoie also said the payments represented a $100,000-a-year retainer for Mr. Mulroney's consulting services on a couple of projects -- a military vehicle plant in Montreal and a pasta business -- which didn't need to be claimed immediately on his income taxes.
The spokesman said Mr. Mulroney accepted the first envelope of $100,000 in cash from Mr. Schreiber while still an MP for Baie Comeau, Que., about one week before an election was called. But he quickly added that the question of when Mr. Mulroney paid income taxes on the payments isn't anyone's "Goddamn business."

All of the dealing went on before Bulroney left office.

Hearsay! Maybe, like those you criticize, you should get your facts straight before you comment on the guilt or innocence of people N'K. Or at the very least, don't criticize others.

#juan

No Party Affiliation

#107

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

Hearsay! Maybe, like those you criticize, you should get your facts straight before you comment on the guilt or innocence of people N'K. Or at the very least, don't criticize others.

Not hearsay at all. Bulroney took brown paper bags of cash home and he has admitted it. What else can anyone say? He was a sleazy bribe taker. He should be in jail.

taxslave

No Party Affiliation

#108

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 9th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

lol I'm not into hanging.
Anyway, that is beside my point. I was thinking about how investigations into upper politicians booboos are not usually settled as to guilt. Mulroney, we still don't know for sure. It took a long time to figure out the Chretien/EI thing, but the Shawinigate is still undecided (I think). Martin, we still don't know if he was in on the Adscam crap.

What would be so bad about hanging a few politicians? Don't matter what party. Just draw ropes, short one gets to hang out. The rest can either smarten up or we repeat the process. And ropes are recyclable which is environmentally friendly and cost effective.

Niflmir

Free Thinker

#109

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 10th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

Where are all the Liberal supporters?

I am more liberal than the Liberal Party. I see no reason to support them, as I see them as the status quo party of Canada.

Machjo

#110

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 10th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

We know that Mulroney is guilty. He has admitted he took the money but he claims it was only $225,000.00, or $75,000.00 less than what Schreiber said. As far as I'm concerned, any elected official taking money is guilty of accepting a bribe. He should be jailed but I know he won't be.

He may be guilty, but either way, it's not up to us to judge. If it is up to us, then why are we wasting money on a judicial system for? It's the principle of innocent until proven guilty. All we know so far is that it's looking mighty suspicious with the secrecy behind it. But again, as a matter of principle, that's what the courts are for.

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#111

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 10th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave

What would be so bad about hanging a few politicians? Don't matter what party. Just draw ropes, short one gets to hang out. The rest can either smarten up or we repeat the process. And ropes are recyclable which is environmentally friendly and cost effective.

lol At times I tend to agree with you, but I am a softie and don't like seeing family members grieving a loss.

Machjo

#112

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 10th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

lol At times I tend to agree with you, but I am a softie and don't like seeing family members grieving a loss.

Ah, Lord Bao, a famous judge in Chinese history, had a solution to that. He'd even order the execution of nobles if deserved, but he'd reserve a gullotine with a gradon face carved onto it, so that they could be beheaded with full honours! Even the nobles feared him.

We could do the same thing here. We would refer to them as 'your honourable member' till the end. The family would appreciate that.

#juan

No Party Affiliation

#113

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 10th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

He may be guilty, but either way, it's not up to us to judge. If it is up to us, then why are we wasting money on a judicial system for? It's the principle of innocent until proven guilty. All we know so far is that it's looking mighty suspicious with the secrecy behind it. But again, as a matter of principle, that's what the courts are for.

By all means. Give him a fair trial.......And then hang him.

Walter

#114

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 10th, 2009

Ruby Tuesday throws tantrums when she doesn't get her way in committee meetings.

Cobalt_Kid

#115

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 12th, 2009

This isn't a Liberal problem it's a Canadian social problem and has been going on for years. Live-in caregivers and nannies are brought in from countries like the Phillipines by well-to-do families then basically held hostage and worked far beyond the compensation. If the charges prove to be true Dhalla should do time, it doesn't matter what her position is.

This is damn close to slavery and has place in in Canada.

Cannuck

No Party Affiliation

#116

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 12th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Not hearsay at all. Bulroney took brown paper bags of cash home and he has admitted it. What else can anyone say? He was a sleazy bribe taker. He should be in jail.

No criminal wrong doing has been proven in court. It is hearsay. Maybe, like those you criticize, you should get your facts straight before you comment on the guilt or innocence of people.

YukonJack

Conservative

#117

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 12th, 2009

When my daughter decided to be a paid nanny (against my best judgement) she had the utter (but eye-opening) misfortune of getting a job as a nanny with an Iranian family.

The treatment she received there, by these "educated" Middle-Easterners resulted in my daughter - ALMOST- slapping the Iranian bitch in the face and walking out from her modern day slavery.

Ruby Dhalla and my daughter's former exploiter (employer??) are all the same: Full of themselves, with no substance.

Her next job was to enroll in nursing and graduate with honours.

Which was far more than her Iranian exploiter (employer??) ever accomplished.

#juan

No Party Affiliation

#118

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 12th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

No criminal wrong doing has been proven in court. It is hearsay. Maybe, like those you criticize, you should get your facts straight before you comment on the guilt or innocence of people.

My facts are straight. Mulroney has admitted to taking the money, and he took that money while he was still an elected MP. I don't care what the court says. Mulroney took bribes in brown paper bags and brought it home. He didn't declare that he owed tax on that money until the matter became public knowledge. MPs are paid very well. They don't need bribes to make ends meet.....At least most of them don't.

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#119

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 12th, 2009

Good for her, YJ. I hope she has a rich and successful life. Purs is doing the same thing. Taking the ENPC for emergency peds right now. Already has her bach in health science.

Anyway, maybe it's a tendency to think you're a better class if you can afford a nanny, misconceptions about English nannies, etc. that makes people like the one in my example and the one in YJ's example treat nannies badly.

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#120

Re: Ruby Dhalla

May 12th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

My facts are straight. Mulroney has admitted to taking the money, and he took that money while he was still an elected MP. I don't care what the court says. Mulroney took bribes in brown paper bags and brought it home. He didn't declare that he owed tax on that money until the matter became public knowledge. MPs are paid very well. They don't need bribes to make ends meet.....At least most of them don't.

lmao Honest ones wouldn't.

Reminds me, I think if I was gov't I'd make Bullroney pay back the $50M that he got in the defamation suit he brought against Canada. The guy's as much sewer scum as Martin.

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