The Cons haven't done anything good for Canada?


L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#1
I keep hearing this comment from a few people here, but I was listening to a couple seniors the opther day mentioning life for them is a little better since the Cons inhabited gov't seats. So I did a little googling and found this:

Jack’s Newswatch*|* Harper Gov’t Accomplishments

And MacLean's mag did an article after the first year and a half:

It's almost summer: Time for a report card | Macleans.ca - Canada - Opinions

hehehe A lot of things have backfired, too, though. Like the Accountability Act that the Cons introduced might lend a hand toward more bureacracy and slow the gov't even more than the glacial velocity it moves along at now.

Martin's Glibs did a few good things, too. But then I found this:

PaulMartinTime .ca: a public resource on Canada's Prime Minister

My point in posting this is that NO gov't is all bad nor all good and that saying one particular gov't has done nothing for Canada is just stupid and misleading (aka politic).
 
Liberalman
#2
I find it interesting that the main reason next to senate reform for appointing 18 Conservative members was so the coalition if they got in would not be able to appoint BLOC members to the senate.

This is a Prime Minister that needs Quebec to get a majority.

Stephen Harper said on a number of occasions that the BLOC is a treasonous political party yet he did not bring in laws to kick them out.

When the Conservatives gets thrown out of office next month Stephen should be replaced as leader.

Cannon should be a good one for the Conservative party and heís French to boot.
 
china
Conservative
#3
Quote:

.....and he’s French to boot.

Nothing personal but f... the French in Canadian politics .
 
pegger
No Party Affiliation
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

I find it interesting that the main reason next to senate reform for appointing 18 Conservative members was so the coalition if they got in would not be able to appoint BLOC members to the senate.

This is a Prime Minister that needs Quebec to get a majority.

Stephen Harper said on a number of occasions that the BLOC is a treasonous political party yet he did not bring in laws to kick them out.

When the Conservatives gets thrown out of office next month Stephen should be replaced as leader.

Cannon should be a good one for the Conservative party and heís French to boot.

He's given up on Quebec - as Quebeckers are more intelligent than Harper gives them credit for. I don't like all their politics - but one thing that is for certain - Most Quebecker are VERY politically saavy.

Since he's given up on buying the Quebec vote, he's showering Ontario now. If he gets enough seats in Ontario - he won't need Quebec.

Watch for Quebec to become the straw-man whipping boy now, as opposed to Ontario (for the last 2 years).
 
Colpy
Conservative
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by peggerView Post

He's given up on Quebec - as Quebeckers are more intelligent than Harper gives them credit for. I don't like all their politics - but one thing that is for certain - Most Quebecker are VERY politically saavy.

Since he's given up on buying the Quebec vote, he's showering Ontario now. If he gets enough seats in Ontario - he won't need Quebec.

Watch for Quebec to become the straw-man whipping boy now, as opposed to Ontario (for the last 2 years).

Excellent!

Quebec has far too much influence on Federal politics......the "quebec Factor" in Ottawa has consistently pulled Canadian political culture considerably to the left of where the RoC would have it. It is nice, and will be nice, to have some balancing influence from a PM from outside of Quebec that is not worriedabout Quebec seats, I.E. is not constantly kissing Quebecois ****.

Quebecers have been PM for 36 of the last 40 years.

Time to move out of Quebec for awhile.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#6
i've been away all December. No Canadian news. What good things have our Cons done this month? Keep it brief, please. Long posts are probably fiction.
 
pegger
No Party Affiliation
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

i've been away all December. No Canadian news. What good things have our Cons done this month? Keep it brief, please. Long posts are probably fiction.

ummm....prorogued parliament?
 
mabudon
#8
Oh they appointed that auto-industry watchdog guy too, but he resigned after 3 weeks saying he thought he'd done his job well for his term
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#9
The Cons haven't done anything good for Canada?

Stimulate the economy by blowing hundreds of millions on useless elections....
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Excellent!

Quebec has far too much influence on Federal politics......the "quebec Factor" in Ottawa has consistently pulled Canadian political culture considerably to the left of where the RoC would have it. It is nice, and will be nice, to have some balancing influence from a PM from outside of Quebec that is not worriedabout Quebec seats, I.E. is not constantly kissing Quebecois ****.

Quebecers have been PM for 36 of the last 40 years.

Time to move out of Quebec for awhile.


Nunavat would be the next political hotspot?
 
Unforgiven
#11
Yeah Western alienation is a big issue but not to worry about Quebec alienation. It's a common theme, do as I say not as I do with these guys. Sorry that's not right, with Harper. Is there even a party behind this guy or simply a bunch of goons and yes men?
 
Toro
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

My point in posting this is that NO gov't is all bad nor all good and that saying one particular gov't has done nothing for Canada is just stupid and misleading (aka politic).

I disagree.

Its all good with Stevie.
 
Toro
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

I find it interesting that the main reason next to senate reform for appointing 18 Conservative members was so the coalition if they got in would not be able to appoint BLOC members to the senate.

This is a Prime Minister that needs Quebec to get a majority.

Stephen Harper said on a number of occasions that the BLOC is a treasonous political party yet he did not bring in laws to kick them out.

When the Conservatives gets thrown out of office next month Stephen should be replaced as leader.

Cannon should be a good one for the Conservative party and heís French to boot.

The Conservatives don't need Quebec anymore than the Liberals need the West. It would be nice, but if the election were held with the Tories polling at 50% in Ontario, as they were right after news of the coalition, they would win a majority handily.
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#14
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

I find it interesting that the main reason next to senate reform for appointing 18 Conservative members was so the coalition if they got in would not be able to appoint BLOC members to the senate.

This is a Prime Minister that needs Quebec to get a majority.

Stephen Harper said on a number of occasions that the BLOC is a treasonous political party yet he did not bring in laws to kick them out.

When the Conservatives gets thrown out of office next month Stephen should be replaced as leader.

Cannon should be a good one for the Conservative party and heís French to boot.

"This is a Prime Minister that needs Quebec to get a majority."

He needs alot more than just Quebec. He'll barely hold onto 110 seats if there was an election today.

"Stephen Harper said on a number of occasions that the BLOC is a treasonous political party"

Unless they stood behind the Con"swerv"atives. Then they were a diasadvantaged cultural entity worthy of our consideration.

"When the Conservatives gets thrown out of office next month Stephen should be replaced as leader."

The problem being, there is nobody with even a whit of leadership skills "on the bench". Harper is the "least worst" they have going at the moment.

Harper at the moment is so busy "flip-floppin" on anything and everything (deficit, senate, parliment. etc..), that he can't seem to come up with any reasonable solution ot a single problem, so you're right he has to go.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

I keep hearing this comment from a few people here, but I was listening to a couple seniors the opther day mentioning life for them is a little better since the Cons inhabited gov't seats. So I did a little googling and found this:

Jackís Newswatch*|* Harper Govít Accomplishments

And MacLean's mag did an article after the first year and a half:

It's almost summer: Time for a report card | Macleans.ca - Canada - Opinions

hehehe A lot of things have backfired, too, though. Like the Accountability Act that the Cons introduced might lend a hand toward more bureacracy and slow the gov't even more than the glacial velocity it moves along at now.

Martin's Glibs did a few good things, too. But then I found this:

PaulMartinTime .ca: a public resource on Canada's Prime Minister

My point in posting this is that NO gov't is all bad nor all good and that saying one particular gov't has done nothing for Canada is just stupid and misleading (aka politic).

I sure don't wish to speak for any other CAnadians, but I've seen a few benefits under the Conservatives.........More so than the Liberals? I'm not sure, but since Harper took over my taxes (mainly income tax) has been reduced a lot. I would guess that overall, Libs and Cons. are about the same- Trudeau ran us into debt, Mulroney added to it and they were both a couple of *** holes.
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#17
I especially like the appointment of Nicole (aphid buster) Eaton. I didn't realize the Nominal Puke (National Post) had a gardening column.
If there are any aphids or ragweed in the senate, they should be afraid... very afraid!

Nicole Eaton: A philanthropist and author of gardening books from Ontario, Eaton also writes an occasional gardening column for the National Post.
Wait a minute. A Gardener. Seriously. What will her contribution be? Free advice on aphid control? Where's the plumber in the mix?
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#18
Great comment, Tyr!

Remember the film "Being There" starring Peter Sellers as Chance, a simple-minded gardener, who becomes, through one misunderstanding after another, Chauncey Gardiner, a presidential candidate in the US.

This movie was prescient in predicting American Republican candidates and Canadian Conservative Senate appointees!
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Great comment, Tyr!

Remember the film "Being There" starring Peter Sellers as Chance, a simple-minded gardener, who becomes, through one misunderstanding after another, Chauncey Gardiner, a presidential candidate in the US.

This movie was prescient in predicting American Republican candidates and Canadian Conservative Senate appointees!

I guess Weird Al Yankovich demurred when Harper phoned him about taking a seat at the trough
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by TyrView Post

I guess Weird Al Yankovich demurred when Harper phoned him about taking a seat at the trough


I also heard that the Mongolian Stomper (A former star on Stampede Wrestling) from Carbon, Alberta (An honest town that tells it like it is!) passed up a Senate appointment. Pity, it would have increased Alberta's representation in the Upper House!
 
Socrates the Greek
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Excellent!

Quebec has far too much influence on Federal politics......the "quebec Factor" in Ottawa has consistently pulled Canadian political culture considerably to the left of where the RoC would have it. It is nice, and will be nice, to have some balancing influence from a PM from outside of Quebec that is not worriedabout Quebec seats, I.E. is not constantly kissing Quebecois ****.

Quebecers have been PM for 36 of the last 40 years.

Time to move out of Quebec for awhile.

Colpy , Harper in this last election kissed enough Quebecker **** to last him for the next 5 years....

In Quebec he took a beating on the seats they thought they would get, support results for the Conservatives plummeted, giving strength to the Block and the NDP, why ? Because Quebeckers during the Quebec debates Harper did a poor job describing to Quebeckers what he would do for their province and the country, he had a bad time with Elizabeth May and the rest which subsequently cost the federal Harper Conservatives the majority they so hoped for.....

With out Quebec Harper realised that a majority was not possible and right he was, even though Harper calls it a strengthened minority, reality calls it that 37 people out of 100 voted for Harper and that by far` is not enough to put the Conservatives in any superiority position in the house, yet Harper is walking around as if he has invented federal politics.

All the bull Harper has dished out this far, fighting to stay in power when he is about to get gonged for running a scary crap political show in Ottawa, the running behind the skirt of the GG in shutting down Parliament 6 weeks after an election is inexcusable to stay an extra month in power, stuffing the senate like a thanks giving turkey to gain some sort of superiority in the house, all that is desperate political weasel dancing, which will haunt the Conservatives in the next election as well Harper as leader of the Conservatives for such a dismal poor report card.

They were saying before the election the Liberals would run a deficit.
Now we see the Conservatives lied to the people while calling the Liberals idiots in the last election and that the Liberals will run a deficit, they the Conservatives will post a near $40 Billion deficit. If the Conservatives stay in Power for a full 4 year term they would subject Canada to exceed the $100 Billion mark.
Quebeckers are not stupid people,


Harper suck-alled before the election to Quebeckers and after because of bad results to call some of them Separatists as well Jell Duceppe the Devil that doesnít look good for Harper in Quebec.



The Conservatives are on record calling the block the devil after the election, before the election the word Devil was never heard. I know this is a long massage but you know what I mean.
The Liberals made a mistake putting Deon on the helm in the last election we all saw the results, Iggy will lead with class, and the Conservatives will make a huge mistake if Harper stayed as leader.



Hey I sincerely wish you and all others on the CC a happy New Year.
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#22
"Colpy , Harper in this last election kissed enough Quebecker **** to last him for the next 5 years...."

He's actually got a permanent stain on his chin now....

In the next election (spring 2009) he will have to kiss butt even harder but to no avail, he's blown his 10 seats in Quebec with his fanatical rhetoric and we won't see a conservative in Quebec for decades
 
pegger
No Party Affiliation
#23
2 more reasons why Harper is an idiot:

$36M penalty dropped for late chopper delivery
So - we can forgive a company a $36 M in late fees, and give them another $117 M for upgrades to helicopters that we haven't received - but don't give $27 M to political parties - because that's not economical.

And

Winnipeg Free Press

Let's grind the First Nations even more, eh?

Idiot.
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by peggerView Post

2 more reasons why Harper is an idiot:

$36M penalty dropped for late chopper delivery
So - we can forgive a company a $36 M in late fees, and give them another $117 M for upgrades to helicopters that we haven't received - but don't give $27 M to political parties - because that's not economical.

And

Winnipeg Free Press

Let's grind the First Nations even more, eh?

Idiot.

So - we can forgive a company a $36 M in late fees, and give them another $117 M for upgrades to helicopters that we haven't received

It gets worse. Those 'copters haven't even flown a mission yet.... anywhere!! Canada is the first buyer of the CH-148 Cyclone

It's payload is "light". It has a limited range. It's four bladed (five bladed is much more preferable for handling), it's over the weight specification and it's late.

I guess Sikorsky owes MacKay and Harper and all expenses paid trip to... somewhere other than Canada. But hey, it could be worse. If it had come during Mulroney's tenure, millions in paper bags would have been trading hands
 
GroundWater
#25
Ya that's almost as bad as the Liberal sub deal,buy someone elses junk for 900 million and only one is operational, it will cost 195 million to repair just one of them and should be ready in by 2009, the other 2 are basically rotting away, typical of the poor attention the Chretien government spent on maintaining our military.

Now for the real kicker, you do realize the Mulroney ( not a fan) was in the process of purchasing 50 EH-101 Cormorant helicopters for 4.8 billion and after the 93 election the Liberal's canceled the order and it cost you and me 500 million to 700 million in cancellation fees due to breach of it's contract.

In my opinion both sides( left or right), are both amoral, lying,unscrupulous,thieving,evil,scamming, stealing scum bags who really don't give a rats *** what you think and only serve for there personal agendas.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#26
In my opinion both sides( left or right), are both amoral, lying,unscrupulous,thieving,evil,scamming, stealing scum bags who really don't give a rats *** what you think and only serve for there personal agendas.


...and the agenda of their corporate masters.
 
pegger
No Party Affiliation
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by GroundWaterView Post

In my opinion both sides( left or right), are both amoral, lying,unscrupulous,thieving,evil,scamming, stealing scum bags who really don't give a rats *** what you think and only serve for there personal agendas.

EXACTLY. However, IMO, what makes Harper even worse was that he campaigned his entire (1st) election on being different.

I expected Chretien to be a crook (which is why I never voted him). I expected better from Harper (shame on me) - so long as he is leader of the CPC - the CPC will never get my vote.
 
Socrates the Greek
#28
The Americans trusted a Conservative Government for a second term W BUSH and the country from the most powerful financial nation in the world has become a financial joke in the eye of the world. Harper is on route to do the same for Canada, the huge deference between Bush and Harper is that Bush is an idiot of a leader and Harper is an idiot follower. The rest go figure...
 
mit
Free Thinker
#29
Getting ready for a pay cut in 2009 if you make more than 42,800 a year - EI and CPP changes will cost you almost $100 more next year - and Harper's income tax cut stimulus package is only worth $36 - One less case of beer and box of Orville Redenbacher's - Dion's income tax cut - carbon tax looks pretty good right now -
Atleast we are saving 100% of the GST on things we are not buying!
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by mitView Post

Getting ready for a pay cut in 2009 if you make more than 42,800 a year - EI and CPP changes will cost you almost $100 more next year - and Harper's income tax cut stimulus package is only worth $36 - One less case of beer and box of Orville Redenbacher's - Dion's income tax cut - carbon tax looks pretty good right now -
Atleast we are saving 100% of the GST on things we are not buying!

...and I thought fiscal prudence and steawardship was the hallmark of all "true blue Conservatives". I guess Stevies yrs studying economics didn't since in much. He acts like he doesn'thave a clue how the market works. Sigh.... Maybe he'll ask Paul Martin to come out of retirement and rescue his sorry butt
 

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