Casinos shut on Christmas Day? Don't bet on it


Fain
#1
Slot machines and blackjack tables aren't usually associated with Christmas, but Ontario's government-operated casinos will be open Dec. 25, a day most other businesses are closed.
"We're part of the entertainment industry and we're very much working in response to the preferences [of] our customers," says Don Pister, who speaks for the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation, the agency in charge of province's gambling interests.
Casinos are open on Christmas because people want to be there, the Ontario gambling agency says.
(CBC)
"There's always been a demand for us to be open on that day, and so we shall again this year."
He adds that casinos offer dining and live entertainment and not all patrons gamble.
However, Doug Little, a former compulsive gambler who wrote a book about his addiction, says most people at a casino on Christmas are there to gamble.
"A lot of times people on Christmas Day are going to be alone because they've gambled their lives away, and the only place that they can go on Christmas Day is the casino where they can continue to lose not only their money but their lives," he told CBC News.
As he sees it, closing casinos for a day wouldn't stop people from gambling on others, but it would send the right message, considering that government offices and liquor stores take Christmas off.
 
MikeyDB
#2
The engine of greed "commerce" if you prefer, will not tolerate interruption. While this same engine is fully capable of enabling poison food and lead-lined toys to flow onto store shelves and revels in multi-billion dollar profits by employing slave-wage business strategies to appease the world market for lingerie and claps gleefully at baseball stadiums filled to celebrate the myth of drug-free atheletes, anything that makes a buck is OK....

Get out there and hit the stores for the after-Christmas savings....it's yer patriotic duty!
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#3
This is how phoney this whole thing is. The casinos add nothing to the society. Nobody can win. It is all crooked gambling where the odds are stacked so high against the stupid dough-heads that play in these gyp-joints, that any money they might win is given back in short order. The casino's total profits are made on what they can skim off their customers. Whether it is Vagas or Atlantic City, nobody wins but the owners.
 
MikeyDB
#4
You're absolutely correct Juan but when has the truth ever stopped any of the bozos on this discussion board to consider the truth behind their nonsense? It's the great Canadian dream ..sort of the idiot child of the "American Dream"....something for nothing....
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#5
You know I read this thread and felt very sad to think of people who have the addiction. What a waste.
 
gerryh
#6


of course...it's the casino owners fault....the governments fault......society's fault..... personal responsibility doesn't even enter into the equation.
 
Fain
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post



of course...it's the casino owners fault....the governments fault......society's fault..... personal responsibility doesn't even enter into the equation.

I did start this thread but I agree entirely with you. Personal responsibility is the biggest factor here. Shutting casinos down not only disrespects the owner's of such venues, but disrespects the customer's choices and solves nothing.

It still sucks that people would rather gamble on Christmas day.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by FainView Post

I did start this thread but I agree entirely with you. Personal responsibility is the biggest factor here. Shutting casinos down not only disrespects the owner's of such venues, but disrespects the customer's choices and solves nothing.

It still sucks that people would rather gamble on Christmas day.

Personal responsibility eh. Where have I heard that neo-liberal terminology before, oh I know Harpercon and his merry band of fascist fat men. Gambling represents a serious and rampant form of addiction that costs the Canadian taxpayer billions in lost productivity and money, destroys familys and in many cases results in death and divorce and prison. Disrespect for the owners of such businesses is called proper concern for ones fellow citizen indeed it used to be considered a civic responsibility before the onset of the neo-liberal revolution. One of the halmarks of real oldtime conservatism was the injunction against gambling which has been rightly identified as a sin and crime for about ten thousand goddamn years untill just recently during the birth of the right wing insurgency, a sorryer lot of pretenders have never walked the surface of this planet or Mars, in my day they would all be horsewhipped for allowing gambling dens to run amock in our communitys .
Last edited by darkbeaver; Jan 1st, 2008 at 11:54 PM..
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#9
Personally I know neither one of you know the first thing about responsibility. You advocate for the rights of an organized criminal to conduct a common gambling house, you're insane neither of you even realize that you are not even conservatives, you have no historical understanding of what the term means, you don't realize that you're bloody neofascists. You're that bloody irresponsible and ignorant that you believe you're the solution when in fact you're the problem. You should not be allowed to vote, you should not be allowed in Canada you're in essence Americans and fundementalists, yes that's right fanatics, I certainly hope you're not allowed to instruct children or procreate.
 
Fain
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Personally I know neither one of you know the first thing about responsibility. You advocate for the rights of an organized criminal to conduct a common gambling house, you're insane neither of you even realize that you are not even conservatives, you have no historical understanding of what the term means, you don't realize that you're bloody neofascists. You're that bloody irresponsible and ignorant that you believe you're the solution when in fact you're the problem. You should not be allowed to vote, you should not be allowed in Canada you're in essence Americans and fundementalists, yes that's right fanatics, I certainly hope you're not allowed to instruct children or procreate.

Would a moderater ban this guy off the board? I've only recently started posting here and from a simple thread about Casino's being open on christmas day, he calls me the "problem", i shoudn't be allowed to vote, somehow feels he can assume my political beliefs and decides to top it off with

"I certainly hope you're not allowed to instruct children or procreate"
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by FainView Post

Would a moderater ban this guy off the board? I've only recently started posting here and from a simple thread about Casino's being open on christmas day, he calls me the "problem", i shoudn't be allowed to vote, somehow feels he can assume my political beliefs and decides to top it off with

"I certainly hope you're not allowed to instruct children or procreate"

Assume? You're like an open comic book, you're the one who thinks promoting a crime and destroying your community with it on christmas day is just fine as long as the bussiness owners rights are not infringed upon and the customer is exposed to destructive addictive gambling and then claim it's the very apex of personal responsibility all justified by phoney neo-liberal sanctified consumer choice.This is called discussion, maybe it's not your thing, but in the real world(RW) you have to expect constructive criticism from bonified responsible members of the community. Only a namby pamby whiney little baby would beg termination from the moderators instead of climbing up on thier own hind legs and assuming "personal responsibility" for thier own defence eh.
 
Unforgiven
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post



of course...it's the casino owners fault....the governments fault......society's fault..... personal responsibility doesn't even enter into the equation.

Isn't personal responsibility reserved for when women get raped or beaten or a victim on the school grounds gets bullied? That seems to be where it crops up most. Is it the cynical knowledge of the nature of the predator that excuses their actions?
 
gerryh
#13



Ok...so that answers my question..... personal responsibility does NOT enter into the equation. These poor people have been forced to gamble at the casino's by no choice of their own.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post




Ok...so that answers my question..... personal responsibility does NOT enter into the equation. These poor people have been forced to gamble at the casino's by no choice of their own.

Personal responsibility is learned gerry no body is born with it, you assume that teaching responsibility is not the responsibility of the community, when in fact it is. We all value a real honest display of responsibility. What you advocate is in fact anti-social, anti-community just plain inhumane conduct masked by the pseudo-science new age snakeoil. You presume that personal responsibility is something other than a collective enterprise. It does not come in a box of God Flakes. The term" personal responsibility" is a widely used device of the "right wing christian moral majority" imported from south of the border and sown among the citizens of this land to poison the soil of the democratic garden. It has truely become just a couple of empty buzz words indicative of intellectual poverty and the hard wicked born-again persecutors of the inocent.
 
Unforgiven
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post




Ok...so that answers my question..... personal responsibility does NOT enter into the equation. These poor people have been forced to gamble at the casino's by no choice of their own.

Not when addiction is a factor.
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#16
There is a way to think about this whole situation that should make it fairly simple:

We have the Casino owners who stage gambling crooked games that nobody but the casino can win at and we have the chumps who fool themselves into thinking they can win when all the evidence proves they can't.

These casinos were allowed to open and operate against the best interests of the people by politicians who succumbed to the lobby/bribery by the organized crime factions who own the casinos.

Who is to blame? The politicians of course.
 
Fain
#17
[quote=darkbeaver;914484]
The term" personal responsibility" is a widely used device of the "right wing christian moral majority" imported from south of the border and sown among the citizens of this land to poison the soil of the democratic garden. quote]

The term personal responsibility is owning up for your own actions. Your not convincing anyone. And what the hell is the attempt at tying it to right-wing christians. Every post you write is more irrational than the last.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#18
[quote=Fain;914566]
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

The term" personal responsibility" is a widely used device of the "right wing christian moral majority" imported from south of the border and sown among the citizens of this land to poison the soil of the democratic garden. quote]

The term personal responsibility is owning up for your own actions. Your not convincing anyone. And what the hell is the attempt at tying it to right-wing christians. Every post you write is more irrational than the last.

Now I respect your sense personal responsibility. Am I really irrational? I hadn't thought I was? Maybe you're right, but I doubt it. You should look elsewhere for the cause of your confusion and not jump to baseless conclusions. I like you, sweety.
 
Avro
No Party Affiliation
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

There is a way to think about this whole situation that should make it fairly simple:

We have the Casino owners who stage gambling crooked games that nobody but the casino can win at and we have the chumps who fool themselves into thinking they can win when all the evidence proves they can't.

These casinos were allowed to open and operate against the best interests of the people by politicians who succumbed to the lobby/bribery by the organized crime factions who own the casinos.

Who is to blame? The politicians of course.

Casino owners have nothing to do with forcing people to piss away there own money, perhaps some should have a little self control.
 
mt_pockets1000
#20
I call it 'aiding and abetting'.
 
gerryh
#21
This has got to be the ONLY forum I have ever been on where I was called a rightwinger.....ROFLMAO...so being responsible for ones own actions is a rightwing concept is it.......and I LOVE this one.....he/she is an addict...SO... that maybe the REASON that they gamble/do drugs/drink alcohol accessivley, but it sure as hell isn't an EXCUSE for their individual actions.


As for who is responsible for teaching a child personal responsibility...that would be the PARENTS...novel concept eh...parents actually teaching their child instead of relying on the state or someone else to do it for them. I guess that would be another personal responsibility.


I'm curious beaver....are you responsible for anything, or is it everyone elses responsibility?
 
Pangloss
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by FainView Post

Would a moderater ban this guy off the board? I've only recently started posting here and from a simple thread about Casino's being open on christmas day, he calls me the "problem", i shoudn't be allowed to vote, somehow feels he can assume my political beliefs and decides to top it off with

"I certainly hope you're not allowed to instruct children or procreate"

How about the more adult response of arguing back or ignoring - in other words, taking "personal responsibility" for how you are treated?

Pangloss
 
Pangloss
#23
Having been a blackjack dealer while going to college, I've seen first hand how well thought out casinos are.

They are designed to look exciting, mysterious, and friendly. They are designed to exaggerate the occasional wins (loud bells and bright lights go off whenever someone wins) while ignoring the constant losing of every one else.

The games are designed to take just a little bit of your money with every hand, and to repay with a modest win just often enough to keep you at the table.

I could go on about there being no clocks on the wall, the peer pressure to stay at the table, the anxious urge to try to win back what was just lost, the fallacy of thinking that "it's my turn" or "I feel lucky" or the myriad other mind games casinos use to manipulate and lure the gamers.

Black-hearted sharks, the lot of them.

Sure personal responsibility plays a role - I myself never go into a casino unless I'm hired to do so. Let's not forget, however, just how tilted in favour of the casino the playing field is.

Pangloss
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

This has got to be the ONLY forum I have ever been on where I was called a rightwinger.....ROFLMAO...so being responsible for ones own actions is a rightwing concept is it.......and I LOVE this one.....he/she is an addict...SO... that maybe the REASON that they gamble/do drugs/drink alcohol accessivley, but it sure as hell isn't an EXCUSE for their individual actions.


As for who is responsible for teaching a child personal responsibility...that would be the PARENTS...novel concept eh...parents actually teaching their child instead of relying on the state or someone else to do it for them. I guess that would be another personal responsibility.


I'm curious beaver....are you responsible for anything, or is it everyone elses responsibility?

I'd like to be responsible for your next fat lip.
 
gerryh
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

I'd like to be responsible for your next fat lip.


So in otherwords....you expect everyone else to take responsibility for you....it's the governments fault...it's the corporations fault...it's "their" fault........ boo hoo hoo...poor beaver........
 
Pangloss
#26
Gerryh:

Instead of preteen taunts (see your last post for an example), why not make cogent arguments that actually help make your case?

You'd find a much friendlier reception and people might even take you seriously.

Or do you come here just to insult from a distance (and anonymously) and troll?

Pangloss
 
gerryh
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Gerryh:

Instead of preteen taunts (see your last post for an example), why not make cogent arguments that actually help make your case?

You'd find a much friendlier reception and people might even take you seriously.

Or do you come here just to insult from a distance (and anonymously) and troll?

Pangloss


again...... beaver is worth more?
 
Pangloss
#28
Again - avoiding the question and not taking personal responsibility for your own actions.

Really, I'm not trying to flame, it is just that this juvenile level of gainsaying is really frikkin' boring and it ruins good threads.

Pangloss
 
gerryh
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Again - avoiding the question and not taking personal responsibility for your own actions.

Really, I'm not trying to flame, it is just that this juvenile level of gainsaying is really frikkin' boring and it ruins good threads.

Pangloss




and what part of this thread was good? The part where it's the casino owners fault....the part where it's the governments fault........ society's fault......God's fault........ everyone elses fault except the idiot that goes into the damn casino and loses all his money?


You're a funny guy pangloss.....ever think of taking up comedy for a living?
 
gerryh
#30
Im know I know I know......I know what part of this thread was so great....it was the part where beaver threatened to punch me in the mouth...right?
 
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