Senate Member
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September 24th, 2007, 05:47 PM
LoneWolf
No matter how excellent a worker a person it, or how honest and sincere - until they become valid as members belonging to a community (for legal or temporarily legal).... it makes such a difference in their lives.
I have talked with many illegal workers - it is a terrible place for them to be in. Not by government persecution but in their own consciences.
You speak of one friend - I have more than hundreds of cases - and they in the majority would rather choose to belong than live in fear of losing all they have worked for.
As for 'looking down their noses'....you would be wrong. In a great many cases the Latino workers are excellent at hard work, long hours and dedication to their jobs even in fear that one day they may lose everything. The pressure on them is enormous and still they work.
LoneWolf
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I don't - I have worked with many people from Mexico and farther south - illegal residents in the farms and orchards of California - and I have done everything possible to direct them through the legal channels.
You can't just tar everyone with the same brush.
No matter how excellent a worker a person it, or how honest and sincere - until they become valid as members belonging to a community (for legal or temporarily legal).... it makes such a difference in their lives.
I have talked with many illegal workers - it is a terrible place for them to be in. Not by government persecution but in their own consciences.
You speak of one friend - I have more than hundreds of cases - and they in the majority would rather choose to belong than live in fear of losing all they have worked for.
As for 'looking down their noses'....you would be wrong. In a great many cases the Latino workers are excellent at hard work, long hours and dedication to their jobs even in fear that one day they may lose everything. The pressure on them is enormous and still they work.
House Member
Posts: 2,507
Location: SW Ontario
Location: SW Ontario
September 24th, 2007, 05:59 PM
Quoting triedit
Yeah there has to be a balance. There are a lot of workers with no or impotent unions who are barely surviving. A good example is social services. Tough to raise a family on 10 bucks an hour.
Jobs are being outsourced because of labor unions. What used to be a great thing for the average worker has now demanded payscales that bankrupt companies. I freaking hate unions.
House Member
Posts: 2,507
Location: SW Ontario
Location: SW Ontario
September 24th, 2007, 06:09 PM
Quoting lone wolf
Tell that to the tax paying born and raised in Florida roofer who's struggling to survive because he can't compete with the black market.
No employer will ever look down his/her nose at him again
Council Member
Posts: 1,706
Location: Alberta, Canada
Location: Alberta, Canada
September 24th, 2007, 07:01 PM
and if any "Canadian" had comeup with the same bullshyte that this guy did, they would have been blasted the same way.
Quoting triedit
And don't get high and mighty, Canadians. There's a real problem here in TO with illegals working. And racial tension? Are you kidding me? We have gangs of every color, I suppose, but the only one's anyone ever talks about are the Sri lankans and the Pakistanis. Oh yeah, we're not so different up here.
and if any "Canadian" had comeup with the same bullshyte that this guy did, they would have been blasted the same way.
September 24th, 2007, 07:13 PM
If he had a criminal record they wouldn't legally let him stay in the US without government "forgivenness". But he's too good for that, right? He's learned that if you screw up, just go somewhere else.
Quoting lone wolf
So the lesson is that you can just walk away from your penalties for poor behavior. Nice. At least for awhile.
For some, it could be survival. I have a good friend whose criminal record and debtload of fines here got in the way of ever getting an opportunity to stand straight and tall again. After Hurricane Andrew, as an illegal, he made enough money putting roofs on Florida houses to pay off all those Canadian fines and set himself up in a great business. No employer will ever look down his/her nose at him again - and some of those people actually have to beg my friend to come to their jobsites. You can't just tar everyone with the same brush.
Wolf
Wolf
If he had a criminal record they wouldn't legally let him stay in the US without government "forgivenness". But he's too good for that, right? He's learned that if you screw up, just go somewhere else.
September 24th, 2007, 07:32 PM
Quoting lone wolf
Balogna. Sure it would be tough, that's why it's considered punnishment. But it could be done.
Had to pay for the wife and kids somehow.... It beat being labelled "welfare bum" in Ontario.
Wolf
Wolf
House Member
Posts: 2,507
Location: SW Ontario
Location: SW Ontario
September 24th, 2007, 07:40 PM
Quoting lone wolf
No, his competitor who actualy payed payroll taxes on his workers.
You mean ... the overworked guy who paid the way down?
Wolf
Wolf
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 6,283
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
September 24th, 2007, 07:51 PM
Wolf
Quoting Just the Facts
Yeah ... and did like him: Billed out to State and insurance for those numbered companies he contracted from Canada....
No, his competitor who actualy payed payroll taxes on his workers.
Wolf
Time Out
Posts: 35 
September 26th, 2007, 12:05 AM
You really need to step outside your smug world gerryh and educate yourself. You can't be that ignorant....or are u? When this all comes your way, remember your ignorance to the current events around the world, and ask yourself 1 question, should I have stayed in school rather than quitting in the 4th grade, because that's your mentality and your reasoning.
You really need to step outside your smug world gerryh and educate yourself. You can't be that ignorant....or are u? When this all comes your way, remember your ignorance to the current events around the world, and ask yourself 1 question, should I have stayed in school rather than quitting in the 4th grade, because that's your mentality and your reasoning.
